CRYSTALS, BY THE NUMBERS- Channeled 04/02/96

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Archivist Notes: This new podcast comes from a 1996 session where it was a night off from the normal scheduled lessons and the floor was open to anything that came up. In this case, crystals and their uses took up a large portion of our chat with Omal and a wide variety of subjects to explore with the three other speakers. 

Tia dwells briefly on programming for dream travel before getting into a discussion of recipes popular from someone whose root race were descended from cats. Before handing off to Karra, she compares the moons of Mars to the one of Earth. Speaking of Karra, she helps Johnny with suggestions on how to speed up the healing of his leg recently inured skiing along with some self-healing tips. She wraps up her chat with finishing a discussion we had been having about our merging and how best to make that happen. Tia comes along to get the rest of side one done by reviewing U.S. and world events both past and future.

    Omal starts off side two with a dissertation on crystals and many of the various uses beyond that of just amplifying the body's energy. The fascinating concept of lighting a crystal from within was brought up and how a meta-concert group in training would find that a worthy if difficult goal. Patience and wisdom come up next as the questions where we ponder what is wisdom and who is wise. He winds up with questions he answers about the wisdom of stocking up for a possible societal breakdown or being frivolous. Kiri is the last speaker and she takes off from where Omal left off and expands it to knowledge She gives us the Sirian perspective of how being patient with knowledge is a step on the road to wisdom.

TIA Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
KARRA RUSS (Archivist)


3.)(25:35:)- Tia's back to finish side one by chatting about the current presidential elections, the conflict in Chechnya and an IRA anniversary.


2.)(21:46)- Kiri discusses the gaining of wisdom through the acquiring of patience and knowledge.

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Duration: 37:28 min. - File type: mp3

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Duration: 41:55 min. - File type: mp3



(Tia gets side one started)

Tia: I’m going to go and sit over here.......yes?

Russ: okay, I’ll take the pyramid then.

Tia: okay, you can sit in a nice friendly…..hmmmm.

Russ: pull that cord a bit more.

John: hold on, hold on.

Tia: nice and friendly, nice and cozy.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay, you got questions?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: working on astral projection.

Tia: oh, as you were discussing with Carrie in dream travel?

(one of our former guests we were still contacting)

Russ: yeah, what is all that?

Tia: dream travel is what you do in your dreams.

Russ: not according to Carrie I don’t believe.

Tia: okay, what did Carrie say fully because we weren’t…?

Russ: well she didn’t say anything about how to do it.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: she just said she used to do it.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: well if it is in your dreams, what do you do, program your dreams to go somewhere?

Tia: kind of, it’s a subconscious programming.

Russ: well how do you do it?

Tia: I don’t, I astral travel.

Russ: how do you go into her dreams?

Tia: how do I go into her dreams?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: well I go in through the brain waves that are given off.

Russ: so you astral travel over to her bedroom....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and then you hook up with her brain waves?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: then what happens?

Tia: I alter the brain waves.

John: that’s a technique that was recommended by me, that’s a technique I inquired about because of using that technique as opposed to a conventional….

Tia: yeah.

John: astral projection technique.....

Tia: uh-huh.

John: and for different people, it’s viable, I mean I know it’s been done.

Tia: different strokes for different folks or something like that. What you're doing is you’re programming your sleep before you go right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: you have an overwhelming urge to be somewhere. It’s not as effective as going into a trance-like state and then astral traveling.

Russ: uh-huh, well I’m still working on the trance-like state, that’s my other question.

Tia: yeah, carry on working on it, simple as that.

Russ: okay but the thing is, I’m still working on conscious astral traveling.

Tia: uh-huh, it’s far better.

Russ: but I can’t quite get the trance astral traveling down.

Tia: well carry on working on it, you can use the techniques that you learn along the way but as I’ve always said, experimentation. You seem to be one of those stubborn individuals that won’t let go of his physical body.

Russ: yeah well, that's how it works sometimes.

Tia: well, healers are all the same.

Russ: and I’m always self-monitoring my own systems.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and I can’t break free of that monitoring system to let it go.

Tia: oh I understand, I understand. Rome wasn’t burnt in a day.

Russ: hmm, so anyway, I’m working with Karra right now on some various techniques.

Tia: I know, she’s got her eyes closed, it’s normally a sign that she's in communication with somebody. So did you like the chicken for dinner tonight?

Russ: chicken of the sea? Quite delicious.

Tia: uh-huh, that was my idea to say that it was chicken.

Russ: what did you guys have for dinner?

Tia: huh?

Russ: what’d you have for dinner?

Tia: steak.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: yum.

Tia: yes.

Russ: sorry I missed it.

Tia: stop lying through your teeth.

(Ed. note: I don’t eat red meat)

Russ: oh no, I’m sorry I missed it, it must have been delicious.

Tia: oh it was, I beat it for about half an hour. I have a mallet for beating it, tenderize it.

John: uh-huh, what kind of meat, what kind of animal did it come from?

Tia: it came from kind of a deer-type thing.

John: ahh, excellent.

Tia: uh-huh. Beat the living daylights out of it and then quickly put it on a grill for 30 seconds each side and then served.

(Tia and the Cubs are Durondedunn and so are descended from cats)

(John chuckles)

Tia: what’s so funny?

John: well you’re talking about a really tenderized, very rare piece of meat.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: I didn't……well I just found it amusing. We had fruits du mer tonight.

Tia: uh-huh, fruit of the sea.

John: yes, oh you do speak a little French huh?

Tia: no, I just happen to have the translation on the headset.

John: oh, why did you happen to have a translation? It’s the first time it’s come up.

Tia: it’s communication.

John: oh.

Russ: no, Erica could be speaking in Spanish and she would understand what she was saying.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: might come in handy.

Tia: uh-huh. Depends if it’s on a wide mode or if like when we use it on the computers it’s on a narrow mode.

Russ: hmmm.

Tia: that is why Kiri the other night when you were talking to her was having difficulty talking to you working on the computer at the same time.

(Kiri was working through Mark's body here on the 3rd dimension while he was on the Base)

Russ: she was on the I-mode?

Tia: uh-huh, she was focused. This is on, the one I have on at the moment, has it on the wide beam which means that I can hear the dog out there going, “woof, woof” and if I was down there I would jump over, gut it, skin it and barbecue it.

John: got any good recipes for dog? They might come in handy.

Tia: barbecued dog’s pretty good. You marinate it first……

John: okay.

Tia: in a red vinaigrette……

John: okay.

Tia: with chian and…..looking for a translation for that, can’t think of what it is. It’s saying Rosemary up here but the picture it’s projecting doesn’t quite jive. I suppose that’s close enough.

John: okay.

Tia: uh-huh. Oh, chian is Rosemary, what’s the other one? Let me have a look down through there…..Parsley.

John: oh, interesting.

Tia: it’s kind of a Parsley, minty-type thing.

John: all right.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: sounds like a good vinaigrette.

Tia: yeah very simple, very basic, really tenderizes and takes away the earthy flavor of the canine a little bit. And Kiri’s going…

(makes a face)

Russ: I would too, sick producing thought.

Tia: well it’s really nice if you leave the skin on the head and leave the head attached as well. Kind of….

John: sounds similar to what you do to a roast pig.

Tia: yeah.

John: very similar.

Tia: yeah, put the head down flat and stick I suppose you’d say a peach in its mouth?

John: oh, okay yeah, usually use an apple.

Tia: ahhh, we prefer something nice and soft.

John: oh okay.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: hmm and there’s other types of animals I can use your recipe on.

Tia: yeah, all sorts of things. It’s a real basic tenderizing purpose.

John: I’m just worried about missing dogs in the neighborhood now, me running around with my toolkit.

Tia: if you do, let me know and I’ll help you.

(continuing the joke)

Russ: yeah me and Kiri had a lot of good discussions this evening. Who’s on tonight anyway darling?

Tia: we have Omal, we have Karra, we have Kiri and we have a nymphomaniac that is trying to pick up on Kiri. She says she's going to leave in a few minutes because she’s getting nowhere with Kiri. I know why, I’m not telling.

Russ: Kiri’s that time of month?

Tia: shhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everybody heard that.

John: yeah, it’s a full moon.

Russ: oh yeah that’s right.

Tia: yes, it’s a full moon.

John: yeah.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: but it’s our moon you see.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: what’s that?

Russ: it’s our moon, it’s not Mar's moon.

Tia: that’s right. We have two moons.

John: do they affect the female’s menstrual period like our moon does here?

Tia: no, they don’t have the gravitational mass to do that. Both of them equal about a quarter of your moon.

John: is it a full moon for us tonight?

Tia: I believe so.

John: I believe so too.

Tia: you’d have to ask the Celt, he would know. (Mark)

John: yeah, I took a look at it, it looked pretty full. Very intense first moon of spring for us, very lovely now.

Tia: uh-huh. Yes it is, it’s just past the equinox as well.

John: yes, yeah, yeah, it’s the first moon after the equinox.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: very intensely bright.

Tia: well it’s close to the Earth I believe.

John: isn’t it at one of its closest points to the Earth right now?

Tia: I believe so.

John: I believe so also.

Tia: uh-huh. I’m not going to do an Omal and take you out there and go, “over there, over there, over there.”

John: oh I know where it is, I was checking it out, that’s why I was asking about it.

Tia: yeah but I’m poking fun at Omal when he gave Russ a guided tour of……

John: oh the comet?

Tia: of the night sky. Oh it was a long time ago.

John: oh, oh okay, a different nighttime tour.

Tia: yeah, involving a camping trip……

John: oh okay.

Tia: and Omal being extra smart as always.

John: well when we go camping, we'll have a star chart printed out on Russ’ computer before we go out.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: and that way we can check everything out.

Tia: okay, I guess you don’t have any more questions for me.

John: not right now, maybe later.

Tia: okay, now I lay my head down to sleep.

(Karra comes on after Tia.)

Karra: hello.

Russ: good morning my love.

John: hello.

Karra: morning? Hello Johnny. Well it’s morning somewhere on your planet.

Russ: this is true, this is true.

Karra: okay, hold on a second, I’m going to take this thing off. It doesn’t work for me.

Russ: the headset?

Karra: yeah. That’s better. Okay, now then, injuries related to skiing.

John: ahh yeah, uh-huh, I had one.

Karra: uh-huh, so I see. Yes, you got it right there and right on the side there looks like where part of the damage is and you've got just up across there…..hmmm.....well what I suggest is, letting it grow strong to start off with, getting it manipulated and getting the healing process going which I believe according to Tia who’s whispering in my ear, just as well I took the the headset off, you’re getting taken care of.

John: it is healing quickly.

Karra: uh-huh.

John: and I’ an appointment with a therapist on Thursday.

Karra: masseuse or….

John: massage yeah.

Karra: yeah.

John: massage therapy.

Karra: okay, uh-huh.

John: very reputable therapist.

Karra: okay so I won’t tamper with anything.

Russ: what about physical therapy Johnny?

John: I’m going to go to this massage therapist first and then we’ll go from there.

Karra: uh-huh, I can give you some exercises next week to do.

John: yeah, I’ll be ready to do them next week.

Karra: okay that’s good. We’ll give you some of those to do.

John: I’ve started doing some exercises today and it has helped.

Karra: yeah, or they will.

John: I was told to keep it mobile if I wanted it to heal fast but not to overdo it and that’s the only thing I’m worried about is overextending myself at this point.

Karra: yeah if you feel pain you stop, simple as that.

John: ah yeah, I figured that one out real quick.

Karra: yeah.

John: but I finally got to the point where I can stand up and walk.

Karra: uh-huh, oh that’s good.

John: and I’m making progress on a daily basis and I do heal fast so…

Karra: uh-huh.

John: yeah, yeah it’s a good prognosis on it I think.

Karra: uh-huh yes, it is a good prognosis. Now what transpired when you had the mishap?

John: it was so stupid, it was one of those silly things. If I would had just been skiing, it would have never happened.

Karra: yeah.

John: but I was skiing with some other people and I was giving this girl some tips, skiing tips, she was having a hard time…..

Karra: yeah.

John: and I was trying to build up her confidence and I lost my concentration, got into the pasty %&^$% on the edge……

Karra: oh yeah.

John: and my skis just froze up and I twisted funny and in turn pulled the muscle that connects my leg to my hip and that in turn has affected my sciatic nerve and all the other muscles in my leg.

Karra: yeah.

John: but it’s healing fast.

Karra: uh-huh.

John: and I expect to be back to work next week.

Karra: oh that’s good.

John: I’ll be going in on the Cat, I’ll be well enough to work but not well enough to ski. And I assured ski patrol that I wouldn’t ski until I was ready.

Karra: I have a question from Tia, you have cats that you can ride?

John: oh it’s an expression, it’s a snow cat and it’s a vehicle that we use at the ski resorts.

Karra: ohhh.

John: and that is an option if you’re like me, unable to ski to work and you want to work, you can catch the Cat. That’s what we call it, it’s a name, catch the Cat in the morning.

Karra: is it an abbreviation of something?

John: yeah, for Caterpillar actually.

Karra: ahh, Caterpillar okay.

John: yeah and that describes kind of……are you familiar with caterpillars, the insects?

Karra: yes.

John: well these machines are what are named after the insect and then for short we call them Cats.

Karra: yeah I’m just projecting a picture at Tia of a caterpillar and she is in hysterics.

John: well it’s made for going up steep slopes covered with snow and they use them for other things too.

Karra: yeah, I believe they use them for grooming.

John: yeah they use them for grooming, they use them for skinning logs, all different types of things.

Karra: oh yes, there seems to be a lot of possibilities for them. Uh-huh so, healing questions?

Russ: now how weak will be Johnny’s knee from now on? Is it a permanent weakness that he will always have to pay attention to or is...?

Karra: it depends on how well the recovery process is done. By doing the correct exercising it after it’s healed you can build up the strength and even make it stronger than it once was but it is a continuing process that once you start the strengthening process, you have to continue and if you want to stop you have to taper off slowly.

John: well actually it has nothing to do with my knee, my knee's fine, I was checked out.

Karra: yeah, it’s the whole entire leg. When you’re building up the muscles and everything, if you stop cold, what happens is that they’re no longer used as much as they should be and it turns to what you might say flab?

John: yeah, yeah.

Karra: so you have to taper off slowly back down so that……

John: now so should I take calcium for the inflammation?

Karra: yes.

John: and what else would you recommend? Vitamin C, calcium, what else?

Karra: calcium, vitamin C, probably some vitamin A, you might also want……

John: what do you think about just using a multiple vitamin and supplementing it with calcium and vitamin C? Would that be adequate?

Karra: what you could probably do is go with a multi-formula milk and orange juice. A little bit more expensive but if that’s the way you want to go, you’d be getting much higher concentrations in the blood system instead of popping 1,000 or 500 milligrams.......

John: milligrams yeah.

Karra: yeah. Because the body will only absorb so much but by drinking the milk formula and thank you Russ…..also another name for it leche, it will give you a higher yield and do more for the body just in concentrating on the calcium building up and strengthening the bones…...

John: I’m not a big milk drinker, it’s not one of my favorite beverages.

Karra: well you can always go for the oral tablet form.

John: yeah I think I’m going to go that route.

Russ: I have some in the cupboard in there.

Karra: or you can go for the other option, you can always take a shot in the sit upon.

John: what’s this?

Karra: you could always have a shot of multivitamins in the high concentration in the sit upon but you won’t be able to sit down for a little while.

Russ: injectable multivitamins.

Karra: on the tush.

Russ: doctors can do that.

John: oh yeah, yeah, I don’t think I want to go that route, that’s not necessary. I don’t think so.

Karra: well it would make things feel very comfortable for sitting down.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: you’ll have to excuse my little bit of cynicism and humor.

Russ: hmm now the self-healing properties of the human body is obviously demonstratable but I mean they weaken as I remember as you get older.

Karra: yes.

Russ: now how do you maintain their……

Karra: by physical exercise and by staying healthy, keeping a nutritional level in a good balance, being active, those are the main things. Being active, eating well and not doing anything that is harmful but I can’t think of anybody on your planet that doesn’t do one thing that is harmful.

Russ: hmmm, breathe?

Karra: depends where you live.

John: what about using ice on this stage of this healing process? I was told to use ice immediately and I ran into a little problem with ice.

Karra: well there’s lots of ice around.

John: oh yeah, yeah but……

Karra: oh, getting to it.

John: I just couldn’t get to it.

Karra: yeah.

John: couldn’t seem to get anyone to buy any or make any so I ended up making some today.

Karra: oh that’s good.

John: but I’m going to be using ice packs.

Karra: yeah, uh-huh.

John: and….

Karra: you need to retrieve those as well, that’s your department Russ.

John: yeah.

Russ: retrieve what?

John: oh those ice packs from David’s, they'd be perfect for this injury.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: alright, so anyway darlin’, on to other matters.

Karra: yeah okay.

Russ: okay about what you and I have been working on all day.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: the mental controls?

Karra: yes, for the benefit of the recording device and posterity and prostate, please explain.

Russ: alright yeah, Karra and I have been working on a meditation technique for both during astral travel and for waking periods for calming technique's called two into one. Which normally I’d go like a mantra, sort of like one, two, three, four?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and I'm going more like a two into one.

Karra: yeah.

Russ: which is a little bit more deeper because of you think of me and you merging as one.

Karra: that’s right, me and you, two in one, one in two, me and you, you in one, me and you, one in two.

Russ: right.

Karra: put it in that way, it sounds easier.

Russ: okay. Okay, now since we’re on the subject…

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: where do we take it from there then?

Karra: slowly, we have to set up the pathways that become habit and that is the first step as in your discussion earlier on, the fact that Mark has many, many more years experience then you do…

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: whilst you were still chasing around being 12 years old having fun, Mark was learning how to astral travel correct?

Russ: right. Okay, so anyway…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now then, so since I'm starting out on this then and we’re going to work on it slowly.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: the two into one which should be used as a connecting point between you and I?

Karra: yes.

Russ: okay. So it’s sort of like a key.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: all right. Now one thing I noticed is that I can never hook into what you’re thinking or what you’re doing I should say.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: like a vision of what you’re doing sort of like that yet you can hook into me.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: just a difference in the dimensions, is that what the problem is?

Karra: partly and heightened awareness. You have to remember, I do have a lot more time on my hands then you do. I mean experience time wise.

Russ: right, yeah.

Karra: here’s a trick to do that.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay, clear your mind.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: clear your mind.

Russ: I'm working on it, hold on a second, I’m not as fast yet. Okay.

Karra: Okay, let’s try again. Okay now, concentrate……..visualize me. Okay now, think on where I am......hmm, it will take a bit of practice I think.

Russ: okay.

Karra: that was very hazy.

Russ: well still it's a work out.

Karra: and besides, my outfit isn’t that color.

Russ: well I’m using my imagination too….

Karra: yeah I know.

Russ: to get to that point so....

Karra: I know.

Russ: all right so I'll start practicing on that.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Karra: yeah, you should be able to do it very carefully and very quickly.

Russ: okay so it’s pretty much the same thing we’re talking about for the last few weeks about the merging process.

Karra: yeah, uh-huh.

Russ: coolicious.

Karra: yeah. Okay, any more questions?

Russ: uh-uh.

Karra: okay.

Russ: I'll just keep working.

John: not right now.

Karra: okay, I suppose I……..I could sit here and chat for a few whilst my nails.

Russ: what are the other girls doing right now?

Karra: well Kiri is looking rather strangely at Tia and Tia is bending over touching her toes.

John: okay. (chuckles)

Russ: I had to ask.

Karra: you asked.

John: all right.

Karra: okay, I’ll see you guys later.

Russ: bye Karra.

Karra: bye and good work so far Johnny.

John: ahh thank you.

Karra: keep it up.

John: yes.

(Tia finishes up side one)

Tia: yes?

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: yo.

John: hello.

Tia: hello, what? That expression on your face Russ.

Russ: oh no, I was just reminding myself that it's nice to have the night off for a change and I’m wondering about doing too much work is not helpful.

Tia: oh, I thought you might be thinking about my calisthenics.

Russ: oh no, no, no, no, I assume that you had a great reason for that.

Tia: uh-huh, actually I was teasing Kiri.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: going on a mental picture there yeah, cool.

Tia: uh-huh, okay.

Russ: so how’s our stock market doing? I haven't been following along.

Tia: it’s climbing at the moment, one day it’s been slow, the next day it’s climbing quickly and so on but I’m more interested…..

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: in what is going on with this Dole thingy.

Russ: Dole thingy?

John: yeah, he’s running for president.

Tia: uh-huh but I wouldn’t say that it’s over and done yet, things might surprise you but there again they might not. But I was trying to figure out why people like Dole. I mean, maybe it’s because they like a mean old man to look after their money.

John: well he’s got a lot of experience in the Senate.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: a lot of our population is Republican.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: and he's a good speaker.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: you know?

Tia: he's eloquent and so on, yeah.

John: yeah, yeah.

Tia: and I was also trying to figure out you know why Mr. Gingrich has a fascination with zoo animals.

John: I have no idea, that’s between him and the animals.

Tia: yeah, and also why he got upset about Air Force One and then I figured it out you know.

Russ: hmm?

Tia: the press, they’re like a bunch of zoo animals, aren’t they?

John: sure.

Tia: and his fascination with zoo animals and when he was on Air Force One, they wouldn’t let him get off the front of the plane with all the press reporters which he looks upon as zoo animals, there you have it you see.

Russ: so he didn’t want to get off at the front of the plane?

Tia: no, he wanted to, that’s why he was upset because he couldn’t get to see the zoo.

Russ: you think of this stuff all by yourself you have like a computer help you out with it?

Tia: I think of it all myself, I’ve got a whole list of things, half of them wouldn't amuse you because it loses something in the translation.

Russ: well that's funny though, sounds like you’re all of a sudden you're downing Dole for a change?

Tia: did I say I was downing Dole?

Russ: well you said why would people be interested in voting for him or....

John: I think the key to this election, and it’s going to be pretty much the way it has been for years, Democrats and Republicans. The smaller Independents and stuff aren’t going to have much of an impact either way but Dole’s running mate for vice president I think it’s going to be the critical key, especially with his age.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: when you have a president with the political experience that he’s got, the vice president and with him being old….

Tia: is going to play quite a role.

John: is going to be a very important role.

Tia: yeah.

John: and I do believe that will be the determining factor.

Tia: well the thing that interests me is Buchanan right?

John: yeah.

Tia: and his comment that he made recently about, “there are no places for racists or bigots in his campaign organization, all those spots were filled long ago.”

Russ: he said that? Oh, you’re joking.

Tia: I’m joking.

Russ: you’re joking, that's what I thought.

John: yeah there’s only a small percentage of people that follow Buchanan.

Tia: uh-huh. Hey, I was making a funny.

John: he’d never make it.

Russ: well the thing is is like, nobody likes change.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: especially dramatic change and Dole represents that.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and with Clinton, you’ve got a set package. You’ve got a known factor with Clinton, you’ve a known factor with his vice president, Al Gore.

Tia: oh, the medical assistant.

Russ: yeah right.

John: yeah, Gore

Tia: yeah, Al Gore…..”Greetings master.”

Russ: so…

Tia: sorry.

John: personally, I like Al Gore, I like what he stands for, he’s done a lot for the environment.

Tia: he’s done a lot for the medical profession as well.

John: and I don’t know anything about that.

Tia: sorry…….

Russ: it's a joke.

John: yeah, it’s a joke. I thought it was a joke, I wasn’t sure.

Tia: sorry, I’m in one of those moods.

Russ: okay, well that’s all I had darling.

Tia: is that all you have?

Russ: for now.

Tia: oh, the tape should almost be ready to be turned over actually.

Russ: it’s got a minute.

John: yeah, it’s got a few minutes on it left.

Tia: yeah, we’ll use up this side before we put Omal on because you know how much Omal hates having to repeat himself.

John: yeah, be interrupted? Yeah…..

Tia: uh-huh, he does that pretty good actually.

John: how about elsewhere around the planet?

Tia: okay, let me see...

John: let’s concentrate on some of the hotspots.

Russ: how about Chechnya?

Tia: Chechnya, there’s a promise of peace there temporarily however……

Russ: it’s only to help out Yeltsin’s campaign though.

Tia: yeah, that’s what I mean, temporarily. However there is something I am very interested in at the moment....

Russ: what's that?

Tia: it’s taking place in Montana.

Russ: oh, the Montana militia.

John: The Freeman.

Tia: exactly.

John: very powerful group.

Tia: uh-huh and remember what I said a while back.

Russ: yeah but there is only 10 of them though.

Tia: there’s only 10 of them there.

Russ: 10 of them there.

John: yeah right, 10 of them.

Tia: but my estimate is that there is probably somewhere between six to a 1,000, what’s that? That’s a regiment to battalion size?

John: uh-huh.

Tia: that’s quite a lot of people and they're heavily armed. Yes but actually, that is something to watch. Now getting back to Chechnya…..

John: yeah.

Tia: there will be a lull however, the other concern that I have is Bosnia......

John: uh-huh.

Tia: and the possibility of a nervous population due to war crimes.

Russ: you mean the dug up graves they’re going through?

Tia: uh-huh. Remember what I said back before the start of winter about that?

Russ: not really.

Tia: vaguely.

Russ: vaguely, no not even vaguely, not at all.

Tia: nevermind, nevermind, we’ll go over that again at a later time. Yeah, I suppose now is just as good a time as any, thank you very much Kiri. Okay, what’s been going on? Let me see. Well, with the spring melt going on there, things are becoming accessible but the problem that they’re going to have with some of the graves is, are they just mass graves because of lots of people dying of various malnutrition's, battle damage and so on which they will be able to differentiate between?

Russ: yeah but you’re looking at 6,000 Muslims who were all shot getting away from Srebrenica.

Tia: yeah but the question is, were they shot…...were some of them combat soldiers and were some of them civilians? It depends on what state the clothes are in and how preserved the bodies are. You have to remember that the area is a very harsh climate.

John: well wouldn't the cold preserve them?

Tia: yes to a certain extent but by preserving them, are they a year old, two years or three years?

Russ: well I suppose.

Tia: so it’s going to be very hard. Now the question is, who was responsible for giving the orders?

Russ: hmmm.

Tia: are the people that pulled the trigger responsible or are the people that gave the orders responsible? You have to excuse me butchering the English language.

Russ: well that’s all right love. Well what relevance does this play in the world affairs?

Tia: well, okay so they find that there is a lot of genocide being practiced in that area.

Russ: right.

Tia: so, somebody says, “well, we have to stay longer” which breaks a promise of a year only. Now if they pull out on time or say that they’re going to pull out on time, then the other peacekeepers may decide that they’re going to pull out at the same time as well and the whole entire peace initiative goes…..PFTTT.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: okay secondly, IRA, it’s a very good investment.

Russ: oh sure, if you have the money for it.

Tia: actually in seriousness, the IRA. Okay, do you know what this year is in fact next week is?

Russ: year anniversary of the peace accord?

Tia: no, it’s the 80th anniversary of the current situation, the uprising of 1916, Easter 1916. Could be significant.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: there are a few that are still alive that remember it. It’s going to be a very strong and emotional time for them so therefore it could be quite harmful for them.

Russ: hmm, well yeah but they go through this every 10 years, what happens every 10 years?

Tia: hmm, there is an increase but this is a big one.

Russ: because there is peace right now.

Tia: yeah and also the fact that there are fewer and fewer people that remember the uprising left alive.

Russ: right, see I don’t even know anything about the uprising.

Tia: in 1916?

Russ: never heard of it. This is the first time I’ve been told about it.

Tia: oh really?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: ask Mark about it.

Russ: I figured it had been going on for hundreds of years.

Tia: oh it has. I said the current situation.

Russ: well what happened?

Tia: well basically a whole load of anti-imperialistic people rose up against the British government. The British government put it down and were very harsh and cruel about it. Several regiments of troops were sent which couldn’t be spared at the time because what was going on?

Russ: 1916 was World War One.

Tia: that’s right and also it caused a lot of bad…




(Tia quickly wraps up what she was saying)

Tia: you see, the IRA in situations of war will as a rule back off when the common good is threatened.

Russ: right.

Tia: for example, during the second World War, it was seen that Hitler could use Ireland as a backdoor to get in because of the feeling of distrust between Great Britain and Ireland.

Russ: right.

Tia: never happened. Some Irish POW's were approached by Gestapo, SS and propaganda people to come and help. The majority of them said no, one or two did and were very clever about it, used it as a way of getting information out by prearranged codes to the rest the world.

Russ: oh, I didn’t know that.

Tia: uh-huh and a few were actually serious about betraying their country. Okay…..

Russ: hmm, thank you, very interesting lessons.

Tia: uh-huh. Well when you do research on the past, present and future predictions, you have to do a lot of research on the past.

Russ: true, hmmm.

(Omal comes on for his section of the session)

Omal: greetings and felicitations.

John: greetings.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: okay, let us continue. I believe gentlemen, you have both done your five press ups.

Russ: oh yeah.

John: oh yeah, we both did them.

Omal: uh-huh.

John: Mark was a witness.

Omal: okay.

Russ: yeah no slacking off on my part this time.

John: yeah.

Omal: otherwise you know what the price would be.

John: and I can’t do push-ups this week so I’m not going to ask no goofy questions.

Omal: okay and I think I trapped both of you very well.

Russ: yes, I have to agree and that was.....

John: but it was worth it for the information we got.

Russ: yes.

John: it was worth it for me.

Omal: but it was part of the learning process and what did we learn from that?

Russ: not to ask any more questions.

John: when you say it's time for the last question, to ask one last question.

Omal: that is correct. I will sometimes occasionally bend the rules slightly but that is normally for a good and just cause.

Russ: true.

Omal: okay, now serious, questions.

Russ: okay, working with crystals.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: we’ve talked about how crystals are able to amplify the body’s energy field…..

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and you're able to use that to the effect of either using it as a focusing tool.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: or as a place to store information.

Omal: uh-huh or a place to expel energy from.

Russ: right, to draw energy.

Omal: no, expel energy, laser.

Russ: oh yeah, okay alright so you store and expel right?

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay. Now, what other purposes can we be looking for in the way of using of crystals?

Omal: well one is, for the obvious purpose of looking nice. The second possibility is for protection. The third possibility is for access to information, not just storing, but access. The fourth possibility of usage is for experimentation. The sixth one is for lighting, the reflective abilities of crystals.

John: how about healing?

Omal: yes healing, that is number seven. Number eight is using for decoration. Nine is for the potential as a……I suppose that would come under number two. Okay, is that enough for the time being?

Russ: that’s enough for the time being to work with.

Omal: okay.

Russ: okay, let’s start working with first off protection.

Omal: protection.

Russ: and a more definitive…..

Omal: yes, laser, firing pulses of energy.

Russ: okay now in theory it sounds all good but in actual practice, what is the basic principle, what is the basic effect?

Omal: it is as used in a crystal, energy crystal as it happens.

Russ: right.

Omal: fully charged I believe.

Russ: it is.

Omal: which is unusual for Mark. Like one of your "Star Trekian" devices, laser, aim, expel energy.

Russ: and to what purpose? What is the effect that you get?

Omal: defense.

Russ: okay what is……I mean, what is the effect on the person that you expelling energy on? How does it affect their energy patterns?

Omal: it disrupts their energy pattern. It can either be used in a firing motion or a sucking motion to collect their energy to weaken them.

Russ: does it matter what kind of crystal you use for that?

Omal: yes it does actually, laser crystal is always handy for that. Energy crystal is good if it is charged low to suck the energy with or if it is fully charged to disrupt but not to cause damage. A laser crystal will cause damage, a little bit of burning maybe, heating of the skin.

Russ: now with the energy crystal fully charged, let’s say you use it to disrupt the energy and then suck it back in.

Omal: uh-huh no, you can’t do that, you cannot suck in energy once it’s been used.

Russ: oh okay. All right and now what is the purposes on the laser crystal is only for in self-defense?

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay.

Omal: crystals are used as a rule in self-defense, even in an offensive mode, it is self-defense.

Russ: right.

Omal: say this is a laser crystal, somebody is attacking you, what are you using it for? To defend yourself with, even though you are now by using it in attacking them, it is still a defensive maneuver.

Russ: uh-huh. Now the question I have is, how can you practice using this without actually causing any harm?

Omal: you select an inanimate object. How do you learn to hit a target without shooting somebody?

Russ: I didn’t realize that but I mean when you want to see that there is an effect that you were…..

Omal: trust me, there is an effect.

Russ: I’ll trust you.

John: yeah I found a crystal a lady friend gave to me some time ago, can you look at this through Mark? I’m using it for healing purposes, it’s amethyst.

Omal: uh-huh, of course a healing crystal. You might want to put it out in the moonlight tonight.

John: oh okay.

Omal: it has been used a lot at the moment and therefore is low.

John: oh okay, do I have to do anything else?

Omal: that should suffice at this time.

John: all right, thank you.

Omal: once you have healed, you might want to cleanse it.

John: okay.

Omal: uh-huh and then recharge it on the next available full moon.

John: okay.

Omal: you might through the cycle of… is, your leg is healed, you put it out, you cleanse it and the following night is a full moon. That might be the best way to go so that would give you approximately…

John: one month.

Omal: 29 days.

John: yeah, yeah well that’s approximately one month.

Omal: correct.

John: okay, thank you.

Omal: next question.

Russ: Johnny?

John: I wasn’t expecting to ask a bunch of crystals on account.....

Omal: is deep in thought.

John: got anything? I'm kind of refocusing.....

Russ: yeah okay, you mentioned lighting purposes. Now this is putting the crystal in front a lightbulb or something?

Omal: or sitting it on top of a lightbulb in a stand.

Russ: like the one I’ve got over there?

Omal: correct, it looks nice.

Russ: and it diffuses the light?

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay. Because for some reason I’m thinking that we could use it for, I don’t know, that doesn't work.

Omal: illuminating the source being amplified like a strip light?

Russ: yeah.

Omal: not yet, you do not possess the ability or the gift to do so.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: occasionally Mark will make crystals glow but I believe that drains him quite dramatically.

Russ: right, hmm. Now what causes the crystals to glow? Is this the same force that when you strike crystals with a rock or what they used to the Indians used to do, bang on crystals to create the spark within?

Omal: yes.

Russ: now to getting them glowing, is that then the energy that’s being expended into them creates a electromagnetic charge?

Omal: psychokinetic charge.

Russ: ahh, and they respond to that?

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay, now what about in the way of electromagnetic charges?

Omal: electromagnetic charges do not work as efficiently and as soon as the source is removed, they automatically switch off like that. Psychokinetic charges will fade away slower.

Russ: okay, I was just thinking electromagnetic can be maintained through mechanical means indefinitely.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: as long as you keep a power supply on.

Omal: yes but it requires a much higher level of power due to the fact that it is an artificial source whereas a natural source will not require as much.

Russ: okay.

Omal: because it is a higher level of energy.

Russ: what happens to the energy levels of crystals when you apply that electromagnetic charge?

Omal: it is drained.

Russ: the crystal's drained?

Omal: yes.

Russ: oh, that wouldn't work then. Well Johnny, I’m hogging all the questions, go ahead there buddy.

John: these channeling crystals….

Omal: uh-huh.

John: that I got. Should I set those in the moonlight tonight also?

Omal: yes, that would be handy.

John: okay, and how long should I put all these crystals in the moonlight?

Omal: all night.

John: all night?

Omal: all night.

John: and then retrieve them in the morning?

Omal: correct.

John: okay.

Russ: hmmm.

John: and we do have the power being third dimensional vehicles to illuminate crystals with our minds.

Omal: yes you do, it just requires a lot of patience to practice how to do it and how to do it repeatedly.

John: but it is something, it is within our grasp to master this?

Omal: yes it is.

John: is it useful?

Omal: if you have lack of lighting it may be useful.

Russ: what about for training your mind for just a singular purpose?

Omal: for a singular purpose? It can be useful for that however focusing on such a narrow field may be construed by some to be a waste. By others, it may be a necessary learning tool. It is hard to say whether it would benefit everybody or just a select few individuals, that is up to the individuals.

Russ: oh.

John: can you use meta-concert……

Omal: yes.

John: to illuminate a crystal?

Omal: yes.

John: so would you recommend doing it through meta-concert first before you try it individually?

Omal: once you have constructed a successful meta-concert on a regular basis, then it would be useful to advance to that level of training. It takes a higher amount of energy to illuminate a crystal then you would actually realize.

John: well yeah, I can imagine.

Omal: having illuminated a crystal fully, it will take approximately 10 to 15 minutes for it to go back to a normal illumination level.

Russ: hmm, how does this change the crystal structurally? Anything at all?

Omal: nothing at all.

Russ: okay, doesn’t make it any clearer or anything like that?

Omal: no.

Russ: hmm, okay. Now Kiri and I were discussing patience the other night.

Omal: ahhh, I was waiting for this.

Russ: and you, your name happened to come up during the conversation.

Omal: uh-huh, so I hear.

Russ: and it was mentioned that you practice patience in the form of that you take one day as if it was a 100 years.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: you have that kind of patience.

Omal: yes.

Russ: and because of that, you’re able to take the knowledge and the patience and combine them for wisdom.

Omal: uh-huh, I have learn’t over the years to cherish each second for what it is because remember, that second will never come back so it is a prized and precious jewel which is to be shared, enjoyed and relished. Holding it to oneself is a negative, sharing it is a positive.

Russ: hmmm, okay. So from one who is trying to learn wisdom to one who has already learned wisdom……

Omal: I do not have wisdom.

Russ: you do not? Oh, Kiri called you very wise.

Omal: she is being very flattering.

Russ: ahh. So, Sananda and Ashtar have wisdom.

Omal: correct, in my opinion they do so.

Russ: well how can we as third dimensional beings being shooting for goals that have been reached by Ashtar and Sananda and not by you?

Omal: umm, it is a tricky situation, tricky to explain. Kiri in her perception is correct on me but in my perception, I am not wise.

John: are you becoming wiser?

Omal: I wish to be wiser.

John: you wish to be wiser.

Omal: whether or not I will achieve it is up to me but by the perception that Kiri has is that I am wise. To her maybe I am wise but to myself I do not see myself as wise. Ashtar and Sananda most certainly are wise by my…..

Russ: would they call themselves wise?

Omal: I cannot speak for them.

Russ: I know but I’m thinking, is wisdom a personal perception then?

Omal: no, I think it’s more an external perception, how others perceive you.

Russ: many people see me as wise and I certainly don’t see myself as wise.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: but yet I’m always called very intelligent, very wise. Now that’s knowledgeable maybe is the confusion there.

Omal: I think so yes, also I think it is a perception that people have of you, whether or not you are wise. Myself personally, I do not see myself as being wise. The fact that Kiri said that I am wise, I am very flattered that she thinks so but then I must deny it unfortunately and Kiri is going…….

John: well since Kiri gave you a nice complement, I’d like to pass one on to Russ and he is definitely a wise ass.

(laughter breaks out)

Omal: that is another useful terminology.

John: ahh don’t you think my words were quite correct for our friend here?

Omal: I would not like to speculate on whether or not he is a wise ass or a wise fool.

John: well, yeah we’ll leave that up to…….

Russ: I’ll take wisdom anyway I can get it okay guys?

Omal: okay, last question Russ?

Russ: okay, in dealing with future and the preparations therefore.......

Omal: ahhh, I’ve been expecting this question.

Russ: yes. Is it something we will feel regretful that we did not take the time and effort and money to stock up on certain things instead of going to more frivolous matters?

Omal: let me ask you a question, what is frivolous? Do not answer that question.

Russ: okay.

Omal: I will elaborate. Is friendship frivolous? Is something that will never happen again frivolous? Is preparing for something frivolous? Is getting ready for trouble frivolous? I cannot answer the question for you, I cannot guide you, that you must decide for yourself. But is friendship frivolous, is preparation frivolous? Johnny, last question.

John: well with the preparations ahead, I don’t think anything you can do is going to be frivolous but there’s a lot of third dimensional people who just totally disagree with the whole concept that.....and what we're preparing for.....

Omal: uh-huh.

John: and I don’t know, it seems like I have been planning my whole life for this so I don’t know, I’m just going to keep on preparing. Do you think that would be wise?

Omal: yes, but it is hard to define the correct procedure for the preparation. What may work for one person may not work for another. Some people may be overly prepared which is in itself is an impossibility and some people may be not prepared enough. The correct answer is within you, within both of you and everyone. Thank you very much, have an enjoyable evening and I am hustling due to the fact that I do not want to have to dish out five press ups as a punishment. Live long, prosper and I’ll be back.

Russ: farewell.

John: goodbye.

(Tia comes back with a heavy sigh)

Tia: (sighs)

Russ: hi Tia.

John: hello.

Tia: hello, hello, hello, hello, hello. Okay, last person.

Russ: okay.

(Kiri gives us the pleasure of her company and wisdom)

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: hi Kiri.

Kiri: yo.

John: hello.

Kiri: hello, greetings.

Russ: good evening my dear, how are you?

Kiri: I’m doing fine, and you?

Russ: I’m doing good.

Kiri: uh-huh, he is wise.

Russ: I agree......

John: who, Omal? Yeah.

Russ: I personally feel so too but.....

Kiri: yes.
John: yeah.

Russ: he says it’s an external perception.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and if we all three agree that he’s wise, is he wise?

John: yeah.

Russ: there’s only three of us, I mean then how much does it take to make a majority to make a person wise? I don’t know.

Kiri: I think the true wise man does not admit that he is wise.

John: right, exactly. Yeah, I can understand that and what do you think about Russ being a wise ass?

Russ: I don’t agree that I am wise so therefore I must be doing something right here right?

Kiri: I’m not getting involved in it.

John: okay yeah, I don’t want to put you in a precarious situation.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, so where were we? Uh-huh?

Russ: oh I wanted to discuss with you what we were discussing about the other night.

Kiri: okay, what we were discussing on Saturday night, wise men is the perception I think.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: does that answer your question?

Russ: yeah but at the same time.

Kiri: it leaves it open to further discussion.

Russ: yeah it does but that’s why I want to get into the discussion part of it. For example, we first discussed off the acquiring of knowledge…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and then adding to that patience.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay now, with the acquiring of knowledge, what establishes knowledge? I mean, I can look at baseball scores and memorize who’s on what teams and I call that knowledge.

Kiri: yes that is knowledge but knowledge is such a broad term that it definitely needs a definition on what constitutes real knowledge……I think a better way to elaborate would be, useful knowledge......

Russ: okay.

Kiri: not trivia.

John: is there such a thing as universal knowledge?

Kiri: that would cover everything such as trivia, useful knowledge, obsolete knowledge and so on. I think it should be split into categories of trivia knowledge, useful knowledge, ancient knowledge, working knowledge, in fact I could sit down all night and break it down into so many subcategories that it would be ridiculous. But definitely the most important one in my opinion is working knowledge. Knowledge of vast quantities of information that can be used in a positive way, not just in a narrow field but can be applied to other things other than its own original purpose. For example, you can apply baseball information to only baseball, it doesn’t translate into anything else.

Russ: right.

Kiri: however, engineering knowledge translates into a myriad of different possibilities. By being able to understand, theorize and establish a premise, that is much more useful than to be able to cite that in 1932 that Ruth hit 60 home runs or was that 27? I don’t know.

(Ed. note: it was 41 including the famous shot he called in the world series)

Russ: right.

Kiri: but what purpose does that serve? That serves nothing but being able to sit down and say that in 1938, a gentleman by the name of Whitley produced the first fully functional jet engine that worked efficiently.

Russ: but then knowing the functions of the jet engine and how he came about it would be also considered quite useful.

Kiri: that’s correct and it does serve a function because with jet engines, you can progress on to higher level of engines. Once achieving a scientific level, you can take the next step up and the next step up and the next step up and the next step up. For example, piston engine right? No, no lets skip that, steam engine becomes internal combustion engine becomes the jet engine in turn becomes the ramjet followed by the scramjet in turn followed by spatial travel. You see what I’m saying?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: whereas baseball stats of Babe Ruth, where do they go?

Russ: right, so that’s the difference between trivial knowledge and useful knowledge.

Kiri: that’s correct, so it is important to elaborate when you use wisdom or knowledge and patience to steps towards wisdom, you have to elaborate on useful knowledge or working knowledge.

Russ: what about psychic knowledge?

Kiri: psychic knowledge? That is part of the step towards wisdom certainly but it is not just one type of knowledge that makes you wise, it is a wide variety of knowledges that makes you wise. I could be the smartest engineer in four dimensions.......

Russ: right.

Kiri: total genius when it comes to it but if I don’t know that I have to wind up my wrist chronometer every morning, then it’s useless. If I don’t know that I have to have patience to achieve a goal or how to operate the computer, then again it’s wasted. So to become patient, you have to have a lot of different types of knowledge to achieve one’s end.

Russ: to be patient?

Kiri: to be patient, yes.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: but that is part of the key to our society is being able to be patient with knowledge is a step on the road to wisdom. It is taught very extensively in our monastic society when somebody takes an oath of monasticism….

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: because we go to those people for information and help. Take my grandmother for example, whenever I need help or somebody to talk to, who do I go to? I go to her because she has access to knowledge that I don’t have. By putting herself in a situation where she steps out of her body basically, astral travels to a different plane of existence, she can communicate with people that have gone before and that are ready to come again to achieve the information that she needs.

Russ: hmmm, now has she been able to do this for a long time or is this something she's able to do because she’s getting close to that point herself?

Kiri: I think it’s a little bit of both that she’s been working on achieving that goal for a long time but she’s also getting ready for it herself. She’s been a nun now I believe for about 30 of your years? Maybe a little bit more but I’m not too sure. So I think it is partly due to the fact that she has reached a wisdom level or a knowledge level and she has an inordinate amount of patience but her life is bound by rituals. For example, you missed a golden opportunity as I said to learn a lot of information from her. She would’ve been delighted to have sat patiently and talk to you for hours on end giving you information if you had asked the right questions in the right way. How you would’ve done that would have been that you would’ve sat down at her feet and called her mother because she is mother in a way and you sit down to her and you would ask, “mother, tell me.” And you would pause and wait patiently and she would look at you and she would go, “what do you wish to know my son?” A little bit like your society.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and you would then explain the situation but you’d have to be very careful and ritualistic about it. You being a man would be slightly different from the way that I would do it. How I would do it would be, I would say, “mother, I wish to have understanding.” And she would say, “understanding of what?” And I would say, “understanding of just a small matter that has concerned me for some time.” And she would go, “what has concerned you for some time?” And I would say, “it is whether or not it is appropriate to open up a particular file?”....but I would name that file you see?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and she would go, “why would you want to open up that file?” And I would say, “I am searching for knowledge, truth and wisdom.” And then she would ask me what wisdom is. You see how ritualized it is?

Russ: I don’t think I could do it without goofing up.

Kiri: I think she would understand your…..

Russ: we come from third dimension.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: I mean we don’t deal with the patience yet.

John: but it sounds like the method you use, every question stimulates a question?

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: is that basically what you’re doing?

Kiri: yes, yes it is because…..

John: interesting.

Kiri: the age that she is, is that sometimes she’s not sure of which world she’s in or which plane of existence, whether or not she’s on a higher or lower plane.

John: but is that a good learning tool, answering a question with a question?

Kiri: yes.

John: and continuing back and forth like that?

Kiri: it is something that we as an engineer are taught.

John: oh okay.

Kiri: for example, if I turn this wheel here which is touching this wheel right, which way will it turn? Will they both turn in the same direction or will one turn in the opposite way than the other one.

John: one will turn the opposite way to the other one.

Kiri: why?

John: well if you're turning one counterclockwise and the two wheels are touching, the one you’re turning counterclockwise, the other wheel will turn clockwise. No?

Kiri: no, they turn in the same direction.

John: they turn in the same direction.

Kiri: they’re touching, they push each other around but why?

John: but why? Because of the physical force involved.

Kiri: yes, but why? Why is the physical force involved?

Russ: friction.

Kiri: why is friction involved?

Russ: because they’re touching.

Kiri: why are they touching?

Russ: I guess because you put them together.

Kiri: but you see what’s happening is that each answer stimulates the next question.

John: yeah, I understand, that’s interesting.

Kiri: uh-huh which is very important and it’s the same in our ritualized society when we are asking questions of the nuns or the priests or the brothers, we ask them a question. By asking them a question, that makes them go through the ritual of asking you a question and in turn you both learn by asking the question and giving the answer. Now finally you get to the final question of questions and you will say, “Oh mother, this is the last question that I will ask.” And she will go, “what is it that you wish my daughter?” And I will say, “the question that I wish to ask is but of an insignificant matter.” And she will say the final comment, “nothing is of insignificance, the most littlist and so on…….” That she will say something along the lines of, “the most littlist of things is of much importance in the understanding of all. But what is the question?” And then I ask the question.

Russ: uh-huh, well being as I won't be talking to your grandmother for a while.

Kiri: well she’s fine at the moment but she has been ill for a little while when I last talked to her.

Russ: oh she was?

John: do you mind me asking how old of a woman she is?

Kiri: oh she is coming up on her 802nd birthday.

John: yeah, that’s getting up there.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: in 800 years, we won’t look this good.

Kiri: she always looks good though.

Russ: she looked happy.

Kiri: uh-huh, she always looks happy.

Russ: well Johnny, that tape work okay? It’s going okay?

John: oh yeah, no problem there, it’s fine.

Kiri: it should almost be over, should have like 10 minutes left.

John: yeah, something like that, maybe less.

Kiri: uh-huh. But you see how ritualized our religions are, you say that we have no religion.

Russ: well I don’t say that, I say there’s no questing.

Kiri: oh there is questing, believe you me it’s just that I do not try to inflict that side of my life on you, Johnny or Mark?

Russ: but that’s just it though, maybe that’s something we want.........

Kiri: you've never asked me before.

John: is it a Christian religion?

Kiri: no.

Russ: no but see that’s why I’m asking you now so I can have understanding, it’s knowledge that I seek.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: this is part of that knowledge.

Kiri: why do you seek the knowledge?

Russ: so I can become wise.

Kiri: what is wise?

Russ: the combination of knowledge and patience.

Kiri: we could get into a cycle here, I could do the mother.

Russ: you could, but since you know what I want to know, couldn’t it just be well a little less important than it needs to be?

Kiri: oh, I see.

Russ: so, if not tonight, at some point in the future.

Kiri: you would like me to explain about the religions of Sirius.

Russ: I would indeed.

Kiri: okay, now I must preface it by saying that I come from the highlands so it is a mountain religion.

Russ: that’s fine, I will understand that there is differences and…..

Kiri: yes, there are differences.

Russ: different cultures, I mean we have the same thing down here.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: but at the same time, yes that adds to my understanding of what it is that you come from and more understanding of you darling.

Kiri: oh thank you. Without sounding a little bit conceited and arrogant, I am more religious than Karra and Karra will admit to that.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: it was due to the fact that whilst mother was very ill, that grandmother used to come and stay for long periods of time.

Russ: and Karra wasn’t there during a lot of that.

Kiri: and I was and she was my surrogate mother so her religious views did influence me a lot. The fact that she came from way out in……..if she was living on your planet, she would have come from the back country of the Ozarks.

John: oh okay.

Kiri: uh-huh, she is as she always says, she’s just a simple country girl.

John: yeah.

Kiri: and so therefore her religious views are very, very deep within her, very ingrained in her mannerisms and have always been there. Me, being the daughter of Tanaka and Miranda, it was difficult the two totally different lifestyles clashing made me what I am whereas Karra is more like our father.....

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: I’m more like my mother in the fact that my eyes are big like hers were big in seeing everything new, everything fascinated her. Whether it was for pleasure or questing for knowledge, it just fascinated her.

Russ: still does.

(Ed note: in the form of Miranda, Karra's granddaughter)

Kiri: yes well we know that but for me it’s the same thing that we were more like children together if you know what I mean.

Russ: right.

Kiri: until she started going off on long trips being an engineer and I always wanted to be like her. That’s probably why I became an engineer you know?

Russ: hmmm.

Kiri: I think I would’ve become one naturally anyway but the fact that at an early age I wanted to be an engineer, I used to break down my little servant robots.

Russ: well I'll bet that upset dad.

Kiri: he used to find it funny actually because I would send them off to go and get things for me, especially when I was reaching my middle teens, that was fun. I would send them off to spy on people.

Russ: I believe it.

Kiri: uh-huh, in fact that’s when I discovered I preferred women over men actually or the idea was more appealing of women and women than men and women.

Russ: right.


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