Archivist Notes: It's hard to not be amazed each time a new channeling session tape is transcribed and April's podcast is no exception. An unusually large group of participants showed up to ask questions of the base personal so the topics were many and varied. Two topics stood out above the rest and they were soul notes that were tied in with the area a person was raised in and Tuella, a higher dimensional entity that was a walk-in to the body of Thelma Terrell. The mass evacuation of earth is discussed based on the writings of Tuella and so Omal tells us of his experiences with her. Some of the other topics discussed were coercion, stolen plutonium and shielding as each guest helped us cover a large amount of information in the time allowed by the tape's length.

   Starting off the night was Tia who was cut short to make room for the necessary questions of the night to be answered. Before signing off though she got into a question about Russia and the radioactive ingredients to make several dirty bombs had gone missing and the world was questioning where it had gone. Tia kept us guessing but we came close to an answer. One of our 3rd dimensional guests was making a move and wanted some advice which was covered by Tia. That same topic would get next picked up by Omal whose far more in-depth response went into the concept of soul notes to explain the connection of a person to a certain type of geographical familiarity. Before that though he revisits the question of Russia and how the U.S. news media had opted not to cover the major news and why. With that, it is the move that is reviewed and Omal once again expands our knowledge with how a person connects vibrationally with the land of their birth and feel uncomfortable in areas that do not have similar features. Lessons caused by being in an area where the vibrations feel uncomfortable are explained as well as a fact about the Navajo Nation that is true about all people on the planet. He mixes in a couple other amazing lessons for us with some shielding information and some excellent information about the photon cloud and its influence on the psychic abilities of everyone it touches. We know from previous sessions we are deep within the cloud at this time. He wraps up side one with a talk about Tuella and questions that had come up he was able to answer.

    Side two sees a return to the topic of Tuella and Omal quickly blows away the room with an inside look at a recent decision by the Council of Light regarding plans for the mass evacuation of the planet in the event of a mass extinction event. Their decision shouldn't come as a surprise but the way they came to the decision sheds a light on the capacity of a colony ship and the logistics involved with such an operation Ashtar Command would be taking on. Kiri takes Omal's place in the channeling field to give us some answers to the technical questions that were waiting for her but first gives us a clearer view of the effects expected to happen once inside the photon cloud. Her answer reveals even more helpful information to us than Omal's answer. After that it is a gray area we go into as Skip grapples with memories of a previous life. The fact that it is his first incarnation on earth has a lot to do with a lifeform engine Kiri is actually able to help him out with an answer he obviously needed. That we were treated to an answer worthy of Gene Roddenberry is testament to how special this session was. We next hear from Kiri how the channeling sessions are reviewed on the base and what could happen with giving us too much information. Karra being the filter of what goes on the web is brought up before Karra herself comes on to channel. We quickly go over how my shields were holding up and she referred me to earlier when she had been in my head as I was getting the bindings on my skis adjusted while enjoying a beer. Karra finishes her time channeling to define each of the five main psychic skills and what designates someone operant in that skill. Tia comes on to get us to the end of the tape but not before having sliced into Kiri's arm with her nails almost on accident had not Kiri made a joke that involved cats.

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SIDE ONE

(Tia comes on and gets the crowd under control)

Skip: oh that’s all right, we’ll…..

John: I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.

Tia: we apologize for tonight’s delay and we will now start the tape properly and the session. Tonight present is Skip, Skip, say hello.

Skip: hello.

Tia: also present is Bonnie, Bonnie, say hello.

Bonnie: hello.

Tia: also present tonight is Larry, Larry, say hello.

Larry: hello.

Tia: also present tonight, Johnny.

John: Si.

Tia: (starts speaking French)

John: your French sucks.

(everyone laughs)

Tia: yeah but actually I was using the translator, first time I’ve had the opportunity to use it.

John: oh, so that was a good tool for you to use.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: now are you channeling with people in France and Europe at this point?

Tia: not me no.

John: okay, are……..well okay well I don’t want to waste any questions.

Tia: you don’t want to walk in……yeah. Also present tonight now that he’s arrived……..

Russ: Russ!!!!!!! Hi Tia, how you doing?

John: that’s why I didn’t put the tape on sooner okay?

Tia: greetings.

Russ: and a greetings and felicitations to you my love.

Tia: pull up a pew, sit down, behave.

Russ: as if I could do anything but.

Tia: oh yeah right, how many times has Russ misbehaved in a channeling session?

Russ: oh please.

Skip: now wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, I can’t count that high.

(everyone laughs again)

Russ: it's nice to get support from my friends tonight.

Larry: (laughs) Russ, everybody’s against you tonight, you know that.

Tia: now, where was I? Oh yes, questions Skip, it depends on how much you really want to succeed.

(referring to a conversation that was taking place prior to the start of the session)

Skip: well if I put enough irons in the fire I’m liable to get one that glows.

Tia: that’s correct and succeeding the key is, what are you prepared to do to succeed?

Skip: help just about anybody and anything.

Tia: that’s the spirit, that’s exactly what I wanted to hear. Not what you said before of you don’t know, you weren’t sure but, a positive answer. You have to make the positive, correct choice to achieve your goals. I’m not saying that you will succeed, I’m not saying that you won't succeed but your chances…..

Skip: I know, I know, I thought maybe I could slip one in there on you.

Tia: but your chances of succeeding are higher if you maintain that positive attitude.

Skip: got you.

Tia: next question.

John: let’s discuss the situation with the new Russia.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: okay? Or Soviet Union or however you want to put it about the missing plutonium.

Tia: hmmmm?

John: well I do believe it poses a potentially difficult situation for the rest of the free world.......

Tia: poses?

John: including that, including the new Russia.

Tia: not only is it plutonium, it’s also uranium, strontium-90 and I believe a few other chemicals. All of them combined together can make a very nice if somewhat messy atomic bomb or several.

John: that’s what I’m referring to.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: okay? Who’s got it, can you tell us who’s got it?

Tia: no I can’t, I can hint, you have to draw your own conclusions. The people that have got it know that they’ve got it but it is various shady leaders in that area of a certain not necessary political persuasion but have some political manipulation and have experience in leading people.

John: okay, I don’t want to hog too many questions here, Palestinians?

Tia: not yet.

John: Libyans?

Tia: not yet but there is a connection there.

John: how about Northern Ireland?

Tia: no, they can’t afford the price.

Russ: it’s the communists.

John: yeah, what’s a communist nowadays?

Tia: they were…….

Russ: it’s the Russian mafia and the communist movement are kind of working together on that one if I remember right.

Tia: yes and no.

Russ: so it's the Russian mafia?

Tia: yes.

Russ: and…..

Tia: let me put it this way, the people that have it are supposed to have it but you can’t trust them.

Russ: well the army.

Tia: no, I never said that.

Russ: no you didn’t but in Russia you can’t trust the army, they can go either way depending on the political winds.

Tia: that’s right, any more questions?

Bonnie: I’m going to make a move to Oklahoma, do you think that’s a good one?

Tia: that is your own choice, I’m restricted on saying what you should and shouldn’t do but you have to weigh the options concerning what is best for you, what is best for your growth. Have you learned all that you need to learn in a particular area? What do you wish to do once you get there, where are you prepared to go? I mean there’s all these options you have to weigh, I’m not saying that you should or shouldn’t, what I’m saying is…..

Bonnie: well I’m going to come back and forth, it's not like I’m just going to stay there.

Tia: ahh.

Bonnie: plus I have business deals with Skip.

Tia: uh-huh, okay so in other words you’ve already made up your mind on what you wish to do.

Bonnie: well mostly.

Tia: uh-huh.

Bonnie: not positive.

Tia: yeah.

Bonnie: I’m never positive until I do it.

Tia: uh-huh but there’s also the thing to remember is your spiritual growth and I think that hold on, I’m having something whispered in my ear here.

Bonnie: oh oh.

Tia: uh-huh, okay yes that your spiritual growth would benefit from the connection in Oklahoma.

Bonnie: hmm, that’s good.

Tia: uh-huh, I believe there's something to do with a buffalo in that area as well.

Bonnie: I have a white buffalo as a guide.

Tia: uh-huh, but it has something to do…….

Bonnie: remember that time I brought it in with me?

Tia: uh-huh, but what…..

Bonnie: and Ashtar said, "what’s the white buffalo doing in here?"

Tia: yeah but what I’m saying is that there is in that particular area certain indigenous ancestral groups that have quite powerful properties.

Bonnie: uh-huh.

Tia: I’m trying to think of the correct earth terminology. But......

Bonnie: Shamans.

Tia: yeah I suppose you’d call them Shaman, we'd call them priestesses where I come from.

Bonnie: we call them Shamans.

Tia: uh-huh, the priestly class.

Bonnie: uh-huh.

Tia: okay, I’ve got to put on the next person…..(sighs)…..the ring mistress gets told what to do, this is not fair.

(Skip chuckles)

---

(Omal takes over from Tia)


Omal: greetings and felicitations.

John: greetings Omal.

Omal: greetings.

(everyone says hi)

Omal: please do an introduction for me.

Russ: well Omal, you already know Skip of course.

Omal: of course.

Russ: and this is Bonnie, the young lady next to him….

Omal: greetings Bonnie.

Russ: and then Larry.

Omal: greetings Larry.

Larry: greetings.

Omal: and…..

John: and I’m Johnny, I'm the man who.......

Omal: okay.

John: acknowledged your presence initially.

Omal: yes. Okay let us get down to questions and answers.

Russ: oh I’m opening the floor up to the guests……no please, feel free. Okay well I guess it’s…..

Omal: I was about to say, do not all speak at once.

(that gets everybody laughing)

Larry: well put.

Russ: well now Tia was mentioning the problems in Russia right now.

Omal: yes.

Russ: and how they relate to us……well not how do they relate to us but what’s going on. Now what I’m asking is, how do they relate to us for example, is this something to keep an eye on in the future as a potential threat to world peace or is just something that is more of a local issue?

Omal: without stepping in too many gray areas, the best bet would be to watch what is going on carefully. You might not have heard it on your popular press, in fact I think it is very unlikely that you would’ve heard it on your popular press.

Russ: no it was in the popular press actually, Mark got it and showed it to me I think.

Omal: yes but you have not heard it on your Fox Network or NBC or CNN or ACB or any of those other networks. I do not even believe that it has been in your newspapers. The only places I’ve seen it in are the Sunday Times (United Kingdom), Le Figaro which is a French newspaper, Itar Tass which is a Russian newspaper where it was only briefly reported and a few other European newspapers such as the Express, Pravda and a few German newspapers. Now the question should be why has it not been mentioned in your United States newspapers?

Russ: hmm, good question.

Omal: or on the communication devices?

Russ: I don’t know.

John: why? That’s my question, why is it not?

Omal: I feel that it is not being mentioned for the simple reason that the infrastructure of your news agencies is more concerned with the flamboyant activities of political figures. They are more concerned with what you might call brushfire wars and making people feel sorry for other people. Something as serious as this is not being mentioned because it is not perceived as entertaining and they do not wish to alarm people over something that they feel is unimportant. This is a big mistake, it is something that is very important.

John: okay now is it the media that you’re speaking of or is it the government, our government suppressing this information?

Omal: if your government was suppressing it, it would not be in such news formats as the Times, Figaro or even Pravda.

John: okay.

Omal: it is your media that is suppressing it.

John: thank you.

Omal: next questions please.

Russ: go ahead guys.

Omal: let me pick somebody at random.

Skip: whoops.

Omal: in the middle.

(everyone laughs)

Skip: no that’s you.

Bonnie: no honey, that's you.

Omal: on the seat of three in the middle.

Bonnie: oh.....oh I see. Well I was asking Tia about Oklahoma, I was going to go to Oklahoma, my children are there, my grandchildren are there….

Omal: uh-huh.

Bonnie: and I was just wondering if it's a good move, good for my business…..

Omal: what nation are they?

Bonnie: Indian nation.

Omal: yes but which one? I believe there are many different….

Bonnie: while there’s 64 nations there, it's Cherokee mostly.

Omal: yes, very spiritual race if my memory serves me correct.

Bonnie: right, very much yes.

(the phone rings but the conversation has been removed)

Omal: okay, let us continue. Yes it is, it is a spiritual growth which you may find useful. As Tia stated, we cannot say whether you should or you shouldn’t but it is necessary to realize that a spiritual growth is something that will lead to other things. I believe it is in a open area where there is a lot of flat lands?

Bonnie: yes, very flat lands.

Omal: yes, at one time that was part of an inland sea, I should say approximately 80,000 of your years ago.

Bonnie: hmm.

Omal: so there are lots of interesting things and energies that have been deposited by water which is why your particular nation is attracted to that area.

Bonnie: uh-huh.

Omal: so it is necessary to feel the energy that when you go back there......

Bonnie: I do feel it when I go back there......well besides that I enjoy the people more.

Omal: yes they are……well it is your family.

Bonnie: oh yes.

Omal: yes and it is a feeling of being at one with the land.

Bonnie: yes.

Omal: it is something that the particular races of that area have an affinity for is protecting their land......

Bonnie: uh-huh.

Omal: and the land is very key and important to them.

Bonnie: uh-huh.

Omal: you not being of a race that was descended or a nation that was descended from a mountainous area, you tend to feel a little bit at loss in an area that is mountainous.

Bonnie: uh-huh.

Omal: you feel trapped and restricted by having so many trees. This in itself can manifest itself in other ways, ways that are negative, the fear of being trapped within, sometimes people will seek a retreat. Once you are back in an area where you can spiritually develop as you are supposed to, then you become more even and maintain a level keel and therefore are not attracted to the negative sides of life as it were. You do not look for a retreat from what is, you tend to be able to look more towards it and go, “okay, I do not need to retreat, I can stand here and let it come on and experience and feel the manifestations and the power of the ground." That I see as good but also being able to overcome these fears and retreating within yourself from the fears of the trees and the mountains and an area that you’re not familiar with.

Bonnie: hmmm, thank you.

Omal: you’re welcome. Next, or do I have to pick a victim?

Bonnie: pick a victim, pick him over here, Larry?

Omal: I believe you want to talk to somebody on a technical nature correct?

Bonnie: yes, that’s him.

Larry: you’re speaking to me?

Omal: yes correct.

Larry: not necessarily. I do believe however that what I would like to have you do is expand on the differences if you will between your perception of, for instance in Bonnie’s case, the differences between mountainous areas and flatland areas and what you would perceive as relates to my perception of that or my acceptance of that.

Omal: okay the mountainous area I’m referring to is obviously this area here within the limits of the Sierra Madre’s, is that correct, the correct name of the mountains?

John: Si.
 
Larry: that’s the correct name.

Skip: yep.

Omal: and the Bitterroot Mountains, from those over there to the far ones over…..that have the fault system that runs underneath of the Carson Valley and up. Sometimes people have a difficulty with the spiritual nature of such a different vibrational frequency. It is like on an oscilloscope, you have a low-frequency that has deep troughs and then you have a very high frequency that is very short, sharp troughs that are almost a flat line. Now the spiritual nature of somebody that is born and raised in a flat area is that of a very high frequency that has very few troughs and valleys, very much like the area that they're born in.

Larry: uh-huh.

Omal: somebody that has very deep troughs and very deep spiritual vibrations have as the surrounding area high peaks and low peaks of great depth. A spiritual difference makes it hard for a person to adjust to an area. Some people do it very well, others do not. This occurs because the spiritual development is difficult sometimes, they have lessons that they need to learn to overcome within the areas that they send themselves to such as this area and I believe Bonnie has had some difficulties adjusting in the past.

Larry: uh-huh.

Omal: how this relates to you, I believe you are from an area that is in a valley bowl to the South of here I believe or Southeast......Southwest.

Larry: uh-huh.

Omal: and you have a I would say more of a spiritual level that is flat but rises up at the end of the note so it is more of a gradual climb like the area that you were raised in.

Larry: uh-huh.

Omal: so you have the ability to be able to adjust to whatever surroundings you are in and this can be used to help other people that have either a low vibrational frequency or a high vibrational frequency. And the fact that you have both low going towards high or the opposite way around sorry, high going towards low with the deep troughs and the high peaks means that it is easier for you to match and adjust your soul notes. I believe in the past we have discussed soul notes and being able to match. Larry has the ability because of his variation in soul notes to do this so it is helpful to be able to direct somebody by using your adjustments in soul notes to match theirs.

Larry: thank you.

Omal: you’re welcome, Skip?

Skip: yes, I’ve got a problem.......quit.

(Bonnie had been poking him)

Omal: yes I see your problem.

(everybody laughs)

Bonnie: now, now.

Skip: I don’t know if I was born in the flatlands or in the mountain but I know I was raised between the flatlands and the mountains.

Omal: Idaho I believe, correct?

Skip: no, no Montana.

Omal: Montana.

Skip: part of it, the other part was Midwest Ohio and that’s flatland right down to the ground.

Omal: yes, it doesn’t quite go down to sea level I believe.

Skip: not quite but it’s pretty close.

Omal: the Montana Badlands springs to mind for some reason.

Skip: no it’s in the Rocky Mountains….

Omal: ahh, you would be from the area that is called I cannot think of its name but it’s very high, craggy peaks........Russ?

Russ: Cascades?

Omal: no not the Cascades.

Skip: no it’s the Rocky Mountains Omal.

Omal: yes but there is a particular area that is…

Russ: the Great Divide?

Omal: no, it is not quite the Great Divide. Oh well never mind, it will come to me. But the fact that you have spent so much time in this area would give you a clue with your deductive ability. It is not as quite as craggy and pinnacally as the young mountains that are rising in that area.

Skip: well I’ve always made the comment, ”I’d rather shovel snow than cut grass.”

Omal: what does that tell you?

Skip: I like the mountains better than I do the flatlands.

Omal: which tells you what?

Skip: I don’t know, I'm comfortable here.

Omal: the vibrational frequencies, you have that deep note vibrational frequency which leads me to believe that you are more comfortable in this environment.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: so therefore you have the vibrational notes of somebody that is born and raised in a mountainous area but there are the tendencies in there for the lower troughs as well which makes me think that it wasn’t as bigger peaks and troughs, it may have been in the foothills of that area. Does that help?

Skip: yeah, thank you.

Omal: okay, back to our wayward, wandering monk over here.

(that gets Skip laughing)

Russ: are we on a particular subject or am I…… can I wander around?

Skip: ask around, wander wherever you want to.

Russ: working on shielding…….

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay? And I want to get a little information on various details of shielding and how to work with it a little bit.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? For example, if I want to block something out to the maximum extremes that I can okay?

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: I’m going to lay in a single shield and start it rotating one direction.

Omal: correct.

Russ: put a mirror finish on it.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: start another two, both rotating in opposite directions from the first one…

Omal: correct.

Russ: well no the third one would be on the same direction as the first one and the one in the middle would be in an opposite direction.

Omal: yes I understood what you meant.

Russ: then I’d have the three layered shields on top of that. Now each of the first two layered shields have little bumps on it right? Like little…..

Omal: yes.

Russ: points and then the last would have like a static screen?

Omal: yes which is basically a hissing sound that you project from your mind.

Russ: correct. Now when I’m working with this……..okay the first question I got is, to increase power on the shields if necessary, do I increase energy output from myself or do I draw it from around me to strengthen it?

Omal: you would have to project from outside, you would have to project to it because you create the shields and you have to project to it. You would be able to suck in energy until you were sealed in. If you were using dome shields as opposed to spherical shields, spherical shields protect your feet as well as your head so therefore if you are creating shields and your isolated from the ground totally, how can you therefore suck energy in? If you suck energy in, what is happening?

Russ: you’re basically opening up your shields.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay, the first three are spherical and the last three are domed.

Omal: correct.

Russ: now, so if you’re projecting energy out, you only have a limited supply of energy before you start wearing down.

Omal: correct.

Russ: therefore your shielding has only a limited amount of…….

Omal: life expectancy.

Russ: correct. Now how do you get around that, is there a way to do so?

Omal: no, apart from building up your stamina and reserves.

Russ: oh, so practice.

Omal: yes, that is what we have said in the past.

Russ: correct. Okay, my next question is concerning bending the dome shield to bring it into a point that you want to conform it to.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now the dome shields normally are solid but that sometimes isn’t a functional form. Can you instead go ahead then and bring it in to closer to your inner shields and bend the domes around and still have them work efficiently?

Omal: you can have whatever shape you wish as a shield as we have stated in the past, a dome shield works best because you apply pressure to one point and it is spread evenly over the area.

Russ: I see, so it’s best to keep the domes as domes….

Omal: correct.

Russ: not to warp them at all. You can warp your spherical shields as much as you want…..

Omal: correct.

Russ: the dome shields maintain those levels of….

Omal: yes, that is the easiest form to produce.

Russ: hmm, okay thank you.

Omal: okay, Johnny?

John: ahh yes, you touched…..we touched on the photon belt, photon cloud…..

Omal: yes.

John: I don’t like to use the term belt since you corrected me on that okay? I’d like to touch on that subject again and with our planet passing through this photon cloud, is it going to react with the outer atmosphere? Especially I’m concerned with the outer atmosphere of the planet and the magnetic field and the reaction.

Omal: there will be an increase in aurora borealis and the aurora borea australis. These would be the only positive manifestations, an increase in interactivity with solar activity will make for some certainly spectacular Northern and Southern Lights but other manifestations? No not really.

John: is that in direct reaction with the ionosphere?

Omal: no it is more the magnetic field of the planet.

John: but isn’t the magnetic field and the ionosphere similar as far as their…..aren’t they directly related or am I mistaken?

Omal: the ionosphere is part of the chemical makeup of the planet. It is the outer atmosphere that holds a little bit of oxygen but not very much and other chemicals possibly ozone and so on. So the ionosphere is more part of the planet’s self-cleaning mechanism. It is maintained its shape by the magnetic field of your planet so the magnetic field does play a little, small part in the ionosphere but not much. It is just holding it in place.

John: okay.

Omal: next question……….................................okay as I have to depart soon, I will take one question from each of you please. Let us start at the far end and work our way back down.

Russ: that’s you Skip.

John: that’s you Skip.

Russ: I’m pretty close to him see.

Omal: at the far end.

Skip: I’m out of it tonight for some reason or another. I don't know what to ask you tonight Omal, my mind's running a hundred miles an hour.

Omal: I do not know what you wish to know.

Skip: well that’s it, I don’t have any questions……

Omal: okay.

Skip: my mind's just…..

Omal: okay young lady?

Bonnie: I’m trying to think of something myself. I don’t have anything to ask either.

Omal: okay, young man?

Larry: well thank you for the compliment.

Omal: you are young compared to myself.

Bonnie: how old are you?

Omal: put it this way, I remember watching the Northern Lights in a land that no longer exists on your planet due to the fact that it is…..well it does exist but not as I recall it. It is now high peaks.

Bonnie: I do have a question on something.

Omal: be careful.

(everybody laughs)

Larry: well put.

Bonnie: okay let’s see…..

Omal: Skip, please fill the young lady in on the joke.

Skip: no that’s okay, go ahead.

Omal: okay.

Bonnie: well I guess I missed something along the way here, I haven’t been here in at least a year.

Omal: as you are new, I will let it slide on your case.

Bonnie: ohhh, well thank you.

Omal: okay.

Bonnie: the Navajos believe that they were descended from aliens.

Omal: did they?

Bonnie: they do….

Omal: yes.

Bonnie: yes. I've read a book on that, I was just wondering, it did make sense to me. It’s called, the book is called “My Ancestors are Alien” and what is your…..

Omal: the answer is yes.

Bonnie: I thought so.

Omal: okay young man, Larry.

Larry: can you be specific as relates to answers if there is a specific question?

Omal: yes but not on a personal nature and not if it is interferes with the growth and development of individuals or your planet or of a technical nature that would give a edge in development.

Larry: okay, I’ll try to be as general as I possibly can.

Omal: okay, you may have noticed that some of my answers and answers of other individuals tend to be a little bit vague and generalized. We cannot tell you for example how to build a cold fusion engine. We cannot tell you to do something, you have to come to that decision yourself. We cannot tell you what is going to happen to you tomorrow........proceed.

Larry: if I were to make a major move in my life, could I presume that the result of a major move in my life could be extremely positive?

Omal: yes there is that potential, it depends on how major. Sometimes the necessary upheaval for a major change in itself is an experience that is a learning experience which will throw you on a path that at first will seem wrong and bad and things will not go according to plan because you are not fully adjusted to such a radical change but over a period of time, the necessary struggle in the early stages, the difficulties and so on would make you stronger if you stick to the path. If you say to yourself, “this is too hard, I cannot do this” and back down, then you have not achieved what you wish to do. People often make the mistake of charging into something and then saying, "this is too hard" and not finishing or following through. Some of the hardest advances or the most wonderful advances needed a lot of work, a lot of trying and trying and trying until they achieved their goal. An example is the Manhattan Project. Up to the first initial test of the atomic bomb, they did not know what the atomic bomb would really do. Whether the chain reaction that would be caused, whether it would stop once the fuel had been expelled or if it would continue and keep on going and use up other fuels creating a nonstop chain reaction. They were pretty certain that that would not happen but they weren’t sure that it would happen. Fortunately it did not happen, obviously everybody is still here and the chain reaction stopped once the fuel had been expended. Making a major change in one’s life is a little bit like that. You do not know for certain what the end results will be but, like the atomic bomb, the end result could be very beneficial if you stick to the path. After all, the atomic bomb has given you electricity, it has given you ways of curing cancers and a major change is like this. From a struggle that is hard and sometimes very difficult, as long as you follow through, it will achieve the goal that you wish. Sometimes better than you wish.

Larry: thank you.

Omal: Johnny.

John: yeah I want to touch on the photon cloud again just to help to clarify it for my mind and the relationship of the planet and our solar system passing through the photon cloud along with our planetary magnetic field along with the ionosphere as being……let's see, I don’t want ask too many questions, how many push-ups am I going to get out of this? Okay…….

Omal: well you were asked to ask one question, for each extra question the price is ten for each question.

John: okay, well did I ask one or two or three?

Omal: no, you haven’t asked any yet.

John: I haven’t asked any yet. Okay, I’d like to know the relationship between our planet passing through the photon belt and the reaction with the ionosphere and the magnetic field and the whole correlation and how it interacts with us.

Omal: worded very well to get maximum effect out of one question……

(more laughter breaks out)

John: you’ve taught me very well Sir and…….

Omal: that was most certainly a scramble to ask one question but leave it wide open to have it answered very deeply. Basically in essence what is going to happen is that the ionosphere and the magnetic field will continue to react in the way that it has done in the past. However, the intereaction between the photon cloud and the sun will heat the ionosphere which will react with the magnetic field causing huge sparks, more commonly referred to as the Northern and Southern Lights. This will put on bursts of energy being displayed in a myriad of different colors that will be visible lower than is normally seen. There may be even instances or a instance of lucky individuals looking to the North and seeing the Northern Lights and then turning and looking to the South and seeing Northern Lights but these will be people in the mid-latitudes, nearer to the equator than the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn. The chemical reaction with the heating of the ionosphere interacting with the magnetic field and the photon cloud will create these flashes of brief energy. My projections are that there will only be one major reaction and those lucky individuals will be in for a treat that will not be seen again for many thousands of years. The ions in the ionosphere are basically bumping and rubbing and creating the necessary chemical reactions for the clouds to generate the charge necessary for these flashes of energy. In return, you’ll be treated to as I said a spectacular show.......Russ.

Russ: okay, this will be a little bit long also. On the Internet I had a conversation with a lady who sent me an e-mail…..

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: she is a avid reader of Tuella.

Omal: yes.

Russ: the unacknowledged scribe of Ashtar Command......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and in it she says that the evacuation of the planet from Ashtar Command due to the upcoming pole shift is a fact and since I am basically saying no, that’s not going to happen in our lifetimes, I’m basically the antichrist at that point.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and well because, I’m quoting you.

Omal: yes.

Russ: now I told her that no, what actually is going to happen is the only evacuation will be our ascendancy to sixth dimension which is as you’ve said will take place due to apparent accidents which……

Omal: yes.

Russ: in which a person ascends to a higher dimension but their third dimensional body is still left here.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and the fact that well no, there’s not going to be anything like a pole shift in our lifetime but I can’t really be able to prove it or anything until the time actually comes.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: how do I deal with people like that?

Omal: okay, now the problem stems from the fact of the scribe. The scribe has sat in on meetings, Tuella…..


SIDE ONE ENDS

SIDE TWO


(Pausing for the side to change, Omal picks up where he left off)


Omal: Tuella likes to indulge in gossip and has sat in on meetings. Tuella, if I ever get this out, enjoys listening to gossip, reporting gossip. The best way to describe Tuella is, yes she does have some facts and information, yes she has sat in on Council meetings, yes she does record what is said but she does love to gossip and she does love to listen to rumors and rumors and half informations that are reported. For example, a discussion that was held many years ago on if there was a problem on your planet, how would it be handled and what would be necessary to deal with it. The option of a mass evacuation was discussed. That was thought upon and recently decided that it would not work due to the fact of the sheer size of the population that would be necessary to evacuate. For example, you have a population on your planet of close to eight billion people, where would we put them? How would we transport them? How would they handle being in such a confined area where you may have one or two million confined to an area of no more than maybe five miles, very cramped and uncomfortable for them. So what do you do? Obviously you cannot evacuate that kind of number. Do we let people die? Well we cannot make that decision, that is something that must be left up to them so therefore a mass evacuation would present a problem. How you deal with individuals that have had this information given to them is that you smile and you say, “well certainly you have heard information that does have a lot of merit to it but it is a matter of time and logistics to see what will actually occur.” And by answering in such an ambiguous way, you appease them a little bit. They read into what they hear what they wish to hear. For example, if you say that it is a matter of time and logistics on the amount of necessary individuals that are evacuated, you’re being vague and ambiguous. So therefore you do not give a straight answer but you have told them what they wish to hear even though you haven’t told him anything. People that listen to things without looking for what is really said and looking at things deeper tend to not see things fully. They tend to see things that they wish to see. You cannot please people like that and it is, "oh well they have their path to walk." That is the best way to deal and handle with those people. Thank you.

Russ: thank you.

John: thank you very much.

Omal: thank you all for coming, I will now depart as I have a Council meeting to go.

Skip: thank you.

Omal: live long, prosper and, I’ll be back.

John: yeah we appreciate your time, thank you.

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(Tia comes back to turn things over to Kiri)


Skip: hi sweetheart.

Tia: (says hi in Durondedunn)

Tia: oh my, Mark’s nose is totally stuffed up, it’s totally bunged up.

John: you want something to blow his nose with?

Tia: no, it will clear. Okay, questions.

(Skip chuckles)

Tia: where did everybody go?

Skip: oh.....

John: they left.

Tia: what was all that barking about with the dogs?

John: I don't know. I...there seems to be some kind of activity that was going on on the street behind us......

Tia: ahh.

John: but I really couldn’t be honest with the logistics.

Tia: okay, we’re going to put on the technical expert as somebody is getting fidgety. Yeah!!!! Technical expert.

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(Kiri slides into the channeling field as Tia departs)


Kiri: yo dudes.

John: hey, is that you Kiri?

Kiri: now who starts off with yo dudes?

John: Kiri?

Kiri: yes, it’s me, technical questions.

John: I wanted to make sure.

Kiri: was somebody reading my page earlier on?

Skip: was somebody reading your what?

Kiri: page on the thingy out there.

John: on the Internet?

Kiri: yes.

Larry: I was.

Kiri: Kiri’s manifestation, flowers, coercion….

Bonnie: yeah, that was Larry.

Larry: that was me.

Kiri: what else do I do? Engineering, that’s my field.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh, okay questions, anybody.

John: all right the photon belt okay? I’ve discussed it with you and Omal and I don’t want to dwell on this but it is a very interesting situation that our planet is going through, our solar system is going through......

Kiri: yes.

John: and your reactions to the……will you stop smelling Mark’s feet?

Kiri: I was just touching his nose with his feet.

John: all righty then, you're throwing me off (that gets a few chuckles). Okay I would like to discuss or understand better…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: and there’s a lot of people out here that are really, really interested in the photon belt, not just me okay? And the spiritual ramifications of us passing through the belt.

Kiri: well what is happening basically is that the positively charged photons are basically interacting with your body’s auras and it’s increasing the vibrational frequency, which is different from what was discussed earlier on about vibrational notes, and it is bringing it up to a higher level so that the opening of pathways for individual’s abilities is also being affected. You bring up the frequency right, and what happens? It brings it up higher so therefore it’s more open, it’s more open you can do more things. For example, my field coercion, manipulating people to do what I want them to do or what I think is best for them. You take a coercer that is in tune with the surroundings and the increase in the positively charged protons and they can do a lot more than they have done in the past. They can manipulate people much more subtly. Have you noticed that recently Russ?

Russ: uh-uh.

Kiri: well you wouldn’t notice much would you? You got your head stuck out the window. But the…….

(everyone but Russ laughs)

Kiri: but the photons are interacting with the energy field that surrounds you and is making you more spiritually higher.

John: okay thank you very much.

Kiri: okay no problem.

Skip: yes?

Kiri: you have a question, you're sitting there very patiently……well actually you’re sort of like bouncing around like one of those rubber balls that you…power balls.

Skip: I want to know something and I don’t think you give me an answer but I want to know anyhow.

Kiri: really?

Skip: yes.

Kiri: okay.

Skip: how in heck can you fuse life with how can I say this? With inanimate objects to give off power? This engine that I seen is driving me nuts.

Kiri: ohhhhhh.

Skip: okay?

Kiri: you can, you can, there is a….

Skip: uh-huh, tell me about it.

Russ: you put a hamster in a treadmill right?

Skip: what? No, no, no, this engine was moving partner and it was…..

Kiri: uh-huh, alive.

Skip: powering.........yeah it was alive.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and it was powering a ship.

Kiri: okay now, put it this way, you take a…..I’m not quite sure what you call them but they root around in the ground, they snuffle a lot and they smell rotten and tend to lie around in their own mess sometimes.

John: pigs.

Kiri: yes thank you, that’s the word, I knew it was a three letter word, I thought it started with H.

John: no, well hog or pig would be correct........

Kiri: okay.

John: pig is what you’re using.

Kiri: okay now, what fuel does a pig give off?

Russ: methane.

John: methane.

Kiri: methane.

Skip: so does human beings.

Kiri: correct. Now, what can you do with methane?

Skip: burn it.

Kiri: which does what?

Skip: creates heat.

Kiri: which in turn can be used for?

Skip: oh a lot of things.

Kiri: uh-huh. So you see how an organic, living being can actually power something.

Skip: no, no.

Kiri: I know, I know, I’m taking a very, very simple…..

Skip: yeah I know what you’re doing to me, you're leading me down the garden path is what you’re doing.

Kiri: I’m leading you to the goal.

Skip: yeah okay go ahead.

Kiri: now let’s take the next logical step. Obviously you would want something that takes out the middle part right? That instead of it coming out and then being fermented and giving off the gas, you want to take that part out, you want to have some creature that goes from eating something to giving off the power.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay, what would you do?

Skip: that’s what I’m asking you.

Kiri: I really can’t tell you without Omal turning around on me and saying, “pack your gear, you're going home.”

Skip: what I’m trying to get at….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: is I’ve seen this engine.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and it was alive.

Kiri: yeah, yeah, I know the engine that you're referring to.

Skip: and it wasn’t stationary.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and how can you make an engine, it’s beyond my comprehension.

Kiri: no it’s not.

Skip: yes it is.

Kiri: no it’s not. Okay, I need a guinea pig, Russ, stand up.

(that gets everybody laughing)

Russ: oh Jesus, why me all the time? What about Johnny?

John: well you’re here, if she would’ve chose me I would of stood up.

Kiri: okay Russ has had fuel earlier on today.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: okay, now we’ve taken out the middle part, Russ walk. Take a few steps, okay that will do. Okay Russ is an engine that has just moved so you get a living engine right? I.e. this gentleman here right? You’ve got the combustion chamber which is the stomach right? The energy that was the protein that he ate earlier on has been transferred into movement.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay, now what you have to do is you take a……you can sit down, you’re done. Let’s give him a big round of applause.

(Kiri's claps are the only ones heard)

Kiri: okay but basically what is happening is that you take a entity, a being right? That you say to it, “okay you can do this right? You can power this. In return we will give you what you want as long as you give us what we want.” How the engine achieves the return in favor.........for example let’s say it needs a vessel to transport it. You build it a vessel to take it from point A to point B and in return for building it, let’s say you want to go to Aldebaran right? You have to say to it, “okay we built you this, you take us to Aldebaran and then you’re free to go.” So you build up this relationship with this entity. You give it food to power itself and in return it takes you where you wish to go.

Russ: it's symbiotic.

Kiri: it’s a symbit…..thank you, a symbiotic relationship between the engine and the people that are in control of it. Now, how it works. Basically the power source is the excreted waste, the power stream that comes out and moves the vessel or the engine is basically what’s left over after it’s eaten. What it’s basically doing is instead of just giving off a nasty order, it’s using that to achieve a goal, it’s as simple as that. The technical side is more of a medical thing actually that a medic would be better to answer it than myself. I understand the basics, I understand how it works and I understand how to repair the problem but when it comes to the whys, I’m at a little bit at a loss. I could tell you exactly how it works, all the chemical reactions and everything but again Omal would look at me and go, “you’re out, you’re going home" if I sat down and told you so I’ve got to be very careful on what I say here.

Skip: I understand dear. Okay, thank you.

Kiri: yeah no problem, any more questions?

(she starts to whistle after a time)

Skip: time to go down the mountain.

Kiri: yes, I was noticing that you're getting a little agitated there.

Bonnie: he’s tired.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay, you guys are free to go.

Skip: thank you darling.

Kiri: you’re welcome.

Skip: good night darling.

Kiri: good night.

Russ: I’ll pause the tape.

Bonnie: goodnight Tia.

Kiri: I’m not going to get up because there’s…..

Skip: that's fine.

(the tape pauses and then unpauses)

Kiri: when Omal says jump we jump, when Omal says finish we finish, when Omal do not answer that question, we don’t answer it. All these channeling sessions go before Omal’s staff. They analyze it and anything that they think might be harmful goes before Omal, he reviews it and decides. For example, if I was to sit down and tell you to do this and to do that and it got before Omal and Omal looked at it and said, “this is bad, Kiri has broken certain rules and ethics.”, then I would be bound to obey what Omal’s decision is. If he said that I was not to channel ever again, then I would not channel ever again. If it was….

John: what kind of punishment are you looking at, are you looking at the possibility.......

Kiri: oh no, no, no.

John: if you give me more information than what you’re supposed to okay? I mean is Omal going to ban you from channeling with us, for helping us?

Kiri: I don’t think…..I don’t think…..

Russ: that would be repeated problems.

Kiri: yes.

Russ: for example, let’s say she gives me or as she has done before technical information that slipped out.

John: right, right.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: now what happens is Karra, who controls my every features will basically deny me the ability to put that on to a webpage or be able to reproduce that in any way…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: because Omal will say do this and Karra will say okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: okay, so if I’m understanding you correctly, if Kiri gives you more information than she should okay?

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: and you try and put that information on the Internet, Karra will intervene and stop you from putting on that information.

Russ: oh no, she would basically blank out my mind.

Kiri: yeah, she will stop Russ from putting it down.

Russ: I would forget all about that information, I won’t have any recollection of the fact it was mentioned.

John: what if it’s on tape?

Russ: what if I can’t find it?

Kiri: tapes have gone missing.

John: ohhhhh, that’s where the missing tapes come in.

Russ: what if I have no inclination to find it? What if I look for it and I get bored and I don’t want to look for it anymore?

Kiri: yeah, certain suggestions are made.

Russ: what if I come across it by accident? Well there are no accidents.

John: okay, this is new to me and excuse me and I don’t think there’s no such thing as a foolish question if you know what I mean.

Kiri: no but I’m not looking at any reprimand or anything at this time. I’ve just been told by Omal in a meeting a couple days ago that I just had to be careful of what I said, that some things I have said in the past have led down certain paths which are not best walked at this time. There is an exemption and that’s Skip because we're trying to trip his cascading. I have to lead him very, very carefully. I've been told that I can lead him but to watch what I say, to word it in a way that is more his wording, it pulls the words out of him.

John: now when you’re interacting with Skip okay? I didn’t ask the question directly, Russ didn’t ask the question directly but your response to this man when I’m in this room, I hear what you’re saying......

Kiri: yeah.

John: okay? And don’t you agree that it could have the same response with me as it does with him? It doesn’t matter who asks the question, it matters how well you listen.

Kiri: yes listening is important but Skip does have a problem that neither of you do. Skip is experiencing his first life on your planet, that’s why he’s having the problems that he’s having. We’re trying to ease him into that transition. What we’re trying to do is lead him in a particular way but not tell him that he should do that, we leave the options open but we’re saying, “okay, you want to access this information, this is how you do it.” We’re not saying, “okay, this is how you access the information, we're going to show you how to actually pull out the information and in doing so you will experience the information.” We’re making him do the work which is why he gets frustrated sometimes but what is occurring is that Skip is experiencing and creating all these new karmic connections and he is learning. You’re fortunate that you’ve been around for quite a while on your planet.

John: yes.

Kiri: Russ is quite fortunate that he’s been around…….

John: yes, both of us, both Russ and I have been around for a long time.

Kiri: yeah, the best analogy is that this is a school. Skip is new to your school so therefore the new kid has to be shown around as it were.

John: but I mean excuse me but even though Russ and I have been around okay?

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: and the new kid on the block so to speak okay asks a question, well I don’t care who asks the question…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: the information is usually quite pertinent.

Kiri: that’s correct.

John: and quite informative.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: so if Russ asks a question or if Skip asks a question, it doesn’t change anything. I mean it doesn’t make my question more important or less important…

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: but I listen and learn from the answers that you give.

Kiri: well that’s good, that’s good. It’s important to listen. I mean we learn a lot of information or rather those people sitting outside the pyramid up here learn a lot of information by listening to what’s going on. For example, Karra is sitting over there very quietly listening intently. In fact I better put her on in a minute.

John: yeah she hasn’t been in tonight.

Kiri: and then Tia is sitting at the other end listening very intently and learning and then Teene is learning a lot at the moment as she’s counting her toes and manipulating the equipment and taking care of something else but she is listening and learning. And I better hop out and put on Karra as we are running short on time.

John: okay so Karra’s coming?

Kiri: she is on next

(The tape is paused)

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(The tape is unpaused and Karra begins to channel)


Karra: okay, let us proceed.

Russ: well how did my shields hold up tonight? That was a hard lesson, hard test, worked me over.

Karra: you need practice as Omal pointed out.

Russ: I need stamina practice, I mean that is going to come with time but I mean on….

Karra: the constant pounding?

Russ: yeah and then finally it took me to layered shields to get finally that out of the way......

Karra: yeah.

Russ: but I was a little shocked that I had to go to that level, I mean was he like working me over a little extra hard tonight?

Karra: yes he was, I believe I caught a whiff of alcohol.

Russ: on Omal?

Karra: no, not on Omal.

Russ: oh, me?

John: on me?

Karra: no, I’m referring to something earlier on that you might not have noticed Russ.

Russ: oh no I didn’t.

Karra: no when we were over setting the skis.

Russ: oh you mean the beer?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: what, did he think that it would diminish my capabilities?

Karra: just a little.

Russ: well it was a good test, it didn't diminish them.

Karra: yeah but….

Russ: slower reaction time possibly.

Karra: yes but in a situation that you are in that you needed shielding and the fact that you had slowed things down by imbibing the alcohol when you needed them the most, even though it was out of politeness, you have to weigh the good with the bad.

Russ: well so in the most optimal sense to imbibe but be able to maintain capabilities, that’s good practice too so get like a case of beer and practice…..

(John starts laughing)

Russ: drink some beer, practice my shields......just kidding.

Karra: we will deal with that later......okay.

John: all right so, it is my understanding or misunderstanding with this conversation right here that alcohol or drug use would limit your shielding abilities.

Karra: yes it does and the focusing ability of shielding.

John: okay so you’re not able to focus as well….

Karra: uh-huh.

John: and that in turn makes your shielding ability less functional.

Karra: correct. The situation that you should try is getting Mark to coerce you when you’ve been drinking heavy and you’ll see the difference. Mind you that’s hardly a fair test is it?

John: well I mean I like the idea of Mark testing me when I haven’t been drinking heavily you know?

Karra: uh-huh.

John: but maybe of had a couple of beers okay? Which isn't too uncommon in my life. I mean you’re well aware….

Karra: yes I’m well aware of…..

John: yeah I know but I’m not pulling any punches or trying to deceive anyone by any means but I feel more comfortable challenging Mark under the influence of some alcohol and let him try and break down my shields okay and my shielding ability okay? Now you’re suggesting that I should do this when I’m blind drunk?

Karra: no I’m not saying that when you’re blind drunk….

Russ: she means to see the two sides of it.

Karra: yes exactly, to see both how you react with the quickness of protecting yourself from a coercive or a coercive coercer when you have been drinking a few drinks and when you haven’t had any.

Russ: like that test where you drink and go drive but then you drink a whole lot more and then you go and drive.

Karra: yes.

Russ: well which is worse?

John: all right I just want to understand.

Karra: Russ will tell you that when Mark fully powers up….

John: yeah?

Karra: he’s quite impressive as a coercer when he powers up, especially for a third dimensional coercer.

Russ: now Karra….

Karra: uh-huh?

Russ: it seemed to me when I was over there, I did not pick up any need for heavy shielding, not like what I'd get with Omal when he’s testing me….

Karra: Omal wasn't testing you.

Russ: what?

Karra: Omal was not testing you.

Russ: oh well he was certainly working on me.

Karra: I think he was just powered up.

Russ: oh, that could be it.

Karra: yeah, he’s gone to a Council meeting.

Russ: ahh, but over there I can generally tell if someone’s trying to drain me or someone’s trying to coerce me….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: or something like that and I can then up my shields if I need to but from what I recognized with that is my natural shielding was holding up just fine in that situation.

Karra: yes but you have to control the controller, you see what I’m saying?

Russ: hmm, I see what you’re talking about.

Karra: uh-huh, the best person to have asked would’ve been Kiri if she wasn't dealing with a nice cut on her arm.

(caused by Tia during a paused period on the tape when Kiri made a joke involving cats)

Russ: well, I think you’re doing fine darling..

Karra: yes, Tia actually went when she made comments about using cats as a sled team, Tia went like that and her claws came out.

Russ: well, touchy subject.

Karra: uh-huh, I don’t think she meant to actually penetrate.

John: but she did cut her by accident?

Karra: uh-huh, quite a nice clean cut actually but deep.

Russ: how’s the guy with the concussion?

Karra: he’s doing fine.

Russ: oh good.

Karra: uh-huh. Okay……

John: alrighty, can we talk some more or are you running away?

Karra: well I was about to help Teene over there who’s busy cleaning a wound.

Russ: so professional courtesy and all.

John: okay, I mean I just had a question or two in mind.

Karra: okay quick question, quick question.

John: I mean that’s okay, if you need to go.

Karra: no, no, no, no, no.

John: about coercion….

Karra: uh-huh.

John: and utilizing that art, that science….

Karra: uh-huh.

John: okay? Now can we use it on this dimension as well as you use it on your dimension?

Karra: I do not coerce, I am not a coercer.

John: you don’t utilize that technique at all?

Karra: I do not coerce, I do not have the ability developed to coerce. I am a healer, I fix people up but......

John: yeah, I know you're a healer…..

Karra: hold on, hold on, hold on, don't stop me please.

John: okay, I’m sorry.

Karra: okay, people on your planet have all the abilities within them, whether or not they are developed is the point. For example, there are people that can control other people.......

John: right.

Karra: everybody can control everybody else from time to time. Children control their parents, lovers control each other but somebody that can control everybody whenever they want to is a coercer. Somebody that can heal anybody when they want to is a healer. Somebody that can create anything when they want to is a manifestor. Somebody that can leave their body whenever they want to is an astral traveler. Somebody that leaves their body from time to time and doesn’t know where they’re going, it just happen is not an astral traveler. Somebody that can manipulate and control somebody from time to time is not a coercer. Somebody that can make somebody better from time to time is not a healer. Somebody that can create something from time to time is not a manifestor. I can control people from time to time, I can control Russ from time to time, Russ controls me from time to time but I would like to see Russ control Kiri, that’s a coercer. You cannot coerce a coercer unless the coercer is distracted or is…..

Russ: wants to be coerced.

Karra: correct. So to answer your question, I do not coerce. You can coerce but that is part of your makeup. Whether you can coerce whenever you want to whoever you want to opens up to whether or not you coerce.

Russ: Jack’s a coercer, you can always tell.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I’m not coercer but I can coerce.

Karra: uh-huh,  have you seen Mark coerce Jack?

Russ: yeah, I think they’re both pretty equally matched in some points.

Karra: at some points but I think Mark has the subtality developed, he’s not so blatant.

Russ: no, Jack’s blatant.

Karra: uh-huh, Mark is much more subtle and makes the person think that it’s their idea. Jack is about as subtle as a sledgehammer on a walnut. Okay, I’ve got to go and patch up my sister.

Russ: bye Karra, thank you love.

John: yeah, you go fix her up.

Karra: uh-huh.

John: thank you, appreciate it.

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(Tia ends the night after having savaged Kiri)


John: and it looks like Tia.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: hello.

Russ: you’ve got to watch those things baby, file them down to a nice….

Tia: she moved at the same time as I struck out.

Russ: well yeah but you struck out with claws.

Tia: it was an accident, it’s an honest accident, she moved towards me.

Russ: if it was the first time I would say, "oh bummer."

Tia: oh I’ve given her worse but the fact that she moved and continued moving once I’d penetrated was what shocked me. She tried…..she should’ve stopped and pulled away but she carried on moving in and looking at me as if it was sort of, "just you dare."

John: now couldn’t you have touched her and kept your nails in as you……?


THE TAPE ENDS