Crystal Life Forms, Dolphin Dreams and Seats of Power-

Channeled (10/07/1995)

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Archivist Notes: The theme of the channeling session for January seems to be appropriately a series of firsts. It is the first time Skip and Laura get to meet Alana and Skip learns this is his first time on planet Earth in an incarnation. Tia is our ring mistress for the evening and begins things by blowing our minds right away. It's a simple enough question, what powers a crystal, but the answer contains far more knowledge and truth then we were expecting. We learn that a crystal is a life form. Like any life form, it absorbs one form of energy or food in this case, and expels a different sort that is very beneficial. We learn they are aware and different crystals eat different kinds of energies such as cosmic crystals eating cosmic energy and give off another kind of energy. We also get a lesson in how to clean a crystal and clear it of all data it's collected. We end with her helping to pursue a theory on shrinking down in astral form to enter the body in order to heal it. We move on from Tia to Karra's daughter, Alana. What we learn from her is that some people may incarnate into dolphin form for a couple of reasons. They may have a lesson that could only be learned as a dolphin or, as she says, they may be evolved with a higher IQ but do not treat animals with respect. They may come back to a planet where dolphins are hunted to repeat that lesson until it is learned. We find out dolphins are as smart as humans and even surpass us as being able to speak telepathically to one another. Several factors keep them from advancing beyond their current state such as a lack of hands. As we get to the end of her time speaking, she takes a moment to break into a little dolphin language which she apologizes for butchering. It actually sounds pretty close to perfect from what little we hear. The last speaker on side one is Kiri who immediately looks to answer Skip's question about whether they had shared past lives. The answer catches us by surprise as we learn about Kiri's last life as well. She reveals it is Skip's first life on this planet and before that he was lending his engineering skills aboard a ship out of Alpha Centauri. Kiri was an engineer on a Sirian freighter. The question was apparently expected as we learn there had been a conference about revealing this information to Skip by Kiri, Omal, and Korton earlier that week. Another revelation we discover is some of the technology that is used on the base. Tia's daughter, Minerva, had the psychic ability to be able to change into cat form at will. They were having trouble locating her so they had the computer track her down. We find that they have consuls connected to the central computer core that operates holographically. It's definitely next level. Near the end of the side we find out a little from the point of view of an expert about accessing past lives to get answers in a current one. We finish out the first half with her explaining why our guest may have an alien observing her daily life. We have to wait until side two to get a more fuller answer.

With the tape being turned over, Kiri finishes up her thoughts on behavioral science by using a cat as an example. We learn cats like to be contented and have a wild ancestry that is still a part of their habits. She can't elaborate much further without jeopardizing information she's not allowed to go more into with us. She is able to help with a problem I had run into as far as my flight training with the pilots on the base. I was assisting her son in a search and rescue craft at the time and learning its controls in case of emergencies. It was just a question of getting help adjusting to controls of a different technology that wasn't even close to an automobile. More video game than steering wheel. With improvements planned, she made way for Omal to take over speaking duties. He immediately has a joke for us before providing some very deep knowledge on space and time. The question is on people who refuse to accept space and time and instead find themselves in a incarnation loop. They do not learn and do not progress. He gives us a couple examples such as the Marquis de Sade and John Wilkes Booth who would later reincarnate as Lee Harvey Oswald to kill yet another president. It's at that point we explore soul groups and how various souls travel together. One group he highlights is the one containing Eisenhower, Patton, Napoleon, and Alexander the great. All, we find out, are currently awaiting rebirth. That leads to a discussion on seats of power. Those seats are civilizations that came and went or are still around. From Atlantis to America, the power would move around from civilization to civilization until they destroyed themselves or were destroyed by a superior force. One example he gives is the Incas who had dealings with extraterrestrials but then were later conquered when legends misled them to believe the invaders were the returning gods. He explains how families are treated is a way to determine how a civilization is doing prior to making room for the next speaker. That next speaker is Karra who has advice on how to help Skip in improving his healing ability and then about helping Mark and I understand better the design of the pyramid we were building that would surround the futon Mark was laying on. One innovation we were using was copper wiring linking the bottom sections together to form a grid under the pyramid that ran on top of an iron plate. We learned this would amplify the energy to a lower level of the pyramid so the futon was fully enveloped in the energy field. The purpose was to enhance the energy levels in both the physical and subtle bodies of energy throughout the human body. We wrap up with plans for an upcoming visit by Carrie where a healing tape was to be created beforehand. Tia comes on to get us to the end of the tape and helps work out theories on a stella found in Mayan excavations where she says they were probably used to denote territory. It's then we expand that thinking to the Nazca lines in Peru and how they could possibly have guided astral travelers back from their voyage. A very enlightening channeling session.

In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra

TIA- Ring Mistress MARK CROCKER (Channel)


1.)(0:00)- Tia gives us a dissertation of crystal being life form that are just misunderstood. They take in various kinds of energy and put out a different version of energy. They are aware, she tells us, like a tree.
2.)(16:101)- Alana gives us an update on a young dolphin who was now playing with her daughter. We next discuss possible reincarnations as a dolphin from a human. She gives a couple of examples of why.
3.)(27:47)- Kiri shares the details of her past life where she was joined by one our our guests who was asking questions. It turns out that this is his first life on earth after being a spaceship engineer.


1.)(0:00)- Kiri helps us understand why a third dimensional alien stalking one of our guests. She explains it is trying to understand us as a race. She also helps with an issue I had with some spaceship controls.
2.)(3:24)- Omal reveals that some people can reject space and time but it keeps them on an incarnation loop. An example is John Wilkes Booth who would later reincarnate as Lee Harvey Oswald we discover.
3.)(27:37)- Karra helps with our pyramid design and construction where we combined it with copper wire and an iron plate to get a lower center where the energy would be focused. We also plan for Carrie's visit.
4.)(0:00)- Tia wraps things up with theories we were working on that the stellas of the Mayans where astral projection waypoints. We then expland that theory to the Nazca lines as well. 

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(Tia gets the night's channeling session off to a start)

Tia: greetings.

Laura: greetings.

(Tia says hello in Durondedunn)

Tia: greetings.

Skip: how are you tonight?

Tia: well, I'm fine. Don't know about the body down there, can't find a pulse. Mind you, even if I could, I wouldn't be able to feel it.

Laura: it's kicking.

Tia: it's kicking?

Laura: yes.

Tia: oh, okay.

Laura: see, we knew you were here.

Tia: ahhh, I've got to stop doing that, big giveaway.

Laura: the nose was twitching and the feet were moving. Just like a rabbit.

Tia: all the better to smell you with.

Laura: ohhh, that might be good.

Russ: ready for some interesting questions this evening?

Tia: yeah.

Russ: good, we've got a ton of them.

Tia: okay.

Russ: well, one anyway.

Tia: does one constitute a ton?

Russ: it depends how heavy it is.

(Laura laughs)

Tia: what is a ton?

Russ: 2000 pounds.

Tia: isn't that a currency?

Russ: well, that be about $3500.

Tia: oh, okay.

Russ: you understand about money?

Tia: yeah, I understand dollars. They're the things that keep on getting smaller and smaller as you get bigger and bigger government.

Laura: right.

Tia: see, I was listening.

Laura: you were listening, yes.

Russ: actually, go ahead dear.

Laura: go ahead and start. Oh damn.

(Russ and Laura start laughing)

Russ: it was worth a shot anyway.

Laura: that's true, huh?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: you ever got that music you piped in up here?

Russ: no.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: oh.

Tia: nice and relaxing. Ohh, that's nice.

Laura: well I asked him to do that out front.

Tia: he'd forgotten to do something for you?

Laura: of course.

Tia: what did you use, one of those round........

Laura: murder?

Tia: what?

Laura: I threatened him with murder.

Tia: ohhh, I thought you might have used one of those round things that they hit the circular balls with. Like yea long?

Laura: oh, no. Just threats.

Tia: oh, okay.

Laura: how are you doing Tia?

Tia: there's somebody at the door.

Russ: it's either that or the cats got very loud.

Tia: you want to shut the door?

Skip: (indistinguishable)

Tia: uh-huh. No, not me. You've got to remember, my planet is oohhhh, way out there.

Laura: okay.

Tia: uh-huh. Any more questions?

Laura: I'm curious, I've always been baffled, but what gives a crystal its power?

Tia: ummm, I could ask if you want and find out.

Laura: curious.

Tia: curious of Kiriess?

Laura: same thing.

Tia: oh, Kiriess is sitting over there.

Laura: curious.

Tia: well that killed all the questions, didn't it?

Laura: we don't have the answer to that one yet.

Tia: oh, you want me to find out? You didn't say if......

Laura: yeah.

Tia: oh, hold on. Okay, what gives a crystal its energy is its own life form. You talk about life forms being flesh and blood and made out of living tissue like trees, birds, plants and so on, that's as you know it. This is a life form that you don't know. This is more aware. It's about as aware as a tree is of its surroundings. So that's why when you take a crystal with you it learns new things.

Laura: it jumps down to your energy?

Tia: uh-huh, it scoops up energy from around you and from around itself. It needs the energy to power itself. It's like you eat steaks and those root tuber thingies and what does Mark call it? Rabbit food?

Laura: yes, vegetables.

Tia: uh-huh, vegetables. Yeah, that's all right for you. Well this eats energy and what it gives off is a different type of energy which is a byproduct.

Russ: so you just pull all the energy from the crystal inside?

Tia: uh-huh, mostly. But you're asking the wrong person, I'm just a humble astral traveler.

Laura: who deals with that?

Tia: you'd have to talk to Karra.

Laura: who?

Tia: Karra.

Laura: oh.

Tia: yeah, just think of car rah. Rah rah rah.

(Everyone laughs)

Laura: so what is a cosmic crystal? Is it the same?

Tia: yeah, apart from it eats cosmic energies. You know your planet is being constantly bombarded by cosmic radiation and little tiny particles that pass through things. Well some crystals devour them. Can change the radiation into a useful substance it feeds on. Just like some people eat only fish and other people eat only particular types of meat, then there's people that eat across the spectrum. Crystals are like that. Some that eat natural energy, earth energy, and energy from living entities and then there are other crystals that eat energy that are only from cosmic sources and then there's the ones that eat across the board. They each have individual functions.

Laura: if I put a crystal in Mark's hand, could you tell me what function it is?

Tia: yeah, do you want me to?

Laura: yeah.

Tia: okay, because I know some people....

Laura: it's all right.

Tia:'s power crystal.

Laura: is it?

Tia: it's got energy. It's a good power source too. Did you have mint in your hand recently?

Laura: bottom of my purse.

Tia: have you had mint in your purse?

Laura: oh yeah.

Tia: who's purse?

Laura: mine. I carry mint in it.

Tia: no, I want to know who is purse.

Laura: it's my purse, Laura's purse. It's a bag that I carry my stuff in.

Tia: ohhh, sorry, I thought it was a name.

Laura: oh no.

Tia: oh, okay, I understand.

Laura: do you know what a rose crystal is?

Tia: uh-huh.

Laura: what is it?

Tia: it is a crystal that has a slight reddy tinge to it.

Laura: what is its uses?

Tia: umm, I could ask again if you want but Karra might frown at me.

Laura: why?

Tia: I'm asking too many questions. I'm meant to be answering questions instead of asking questions.

Laura: but could you answer my question?

Tia: uh-huh. Okay, I'll ask her. Okay, the function of a rose crystal is it amplifies light energy. Now it depends on its current state. I believe there's a big crystal over there sitting in a bowl. Now if a rose crystal is damaged like that one is, that's not a rose crystal....

Laura: oh.

Tia: it becomes a healing crystal but with different usages. If it's a long, pointed one like I believe there's another....oh, that's better.... there's normally a big, tall.........yeah, that one. Now if it's shaped like that one, right? It's an energy crystal. Now if it appears to have a phantom in it, it is a storage crystal for information. If it is very long and thin, it's a different type of power crystal. It's more like a wand, directing energy. Then you have different types of healing ones. But it's all do with the energy because of the way that it grew and the power in them. They're much more specialized and much more interactive with the aura. If you clean it by putting it in a..........sodium, sodium chloride. No, not sodium chloride........oh, common name salt.

Laura: salt.

Tia: yeah. Now rock salt, that's the stuff. It pulls out all the negative energy and cleans it of all the information relevant. For example, if you were to put this one, which is a specialized one for astral travel, you would put it into rock salt and then put it out in a full moon and bring it in when the full moon sets and then put it out when the sun rises and then bring it in when the sun sets, you'd wipe all the information out of it. It would be useless as an astral travel crystal. Well not useless, it would lose all the information it's picked up. There are other ways of wiping the crystal of information. Another way is meta-concert which is a group of minds working together like an orchestra and having one person directing of the energy.

Laura: what would that get?

Tia: it depends what you want to do. If you have let's say a manifestor that is acting as the, the executive in charge of the orchestra and directing the energy, let's say you needed to light a fire, right? And you have 20 people but no matches and no way of starting the fire. You have the fuel but no fire. If you all work together supplying energy and thinking the exact same thing at the exact same time at the exact same speed and focusing all the energy on one person and then that one person directs the energy to what use that they want.

Laura: hmm. The amethyst is what?

Tia: amethyst is a colored crystal of a........amethyst, amethyst, have an amethyst? There, there's some.

Laura: is it purple?

Tia: yeah. What's the function of amethyst?

Russ: healing.

Tia: thank you.

Russ: healing of things and.....

Tia: yeah.

Russ: we've used it as a protector before.

Tia: well you can use any crystal as a protector.

Russ: that's why we've got that one there in the corner there for. The cluster for cleansing.

Tia: okay, any more questions?

Russ: is this Tia still?

(Tia says hi in Duronddunn)

Russ: oh, it's Tia. Back in 1975, people were using astral projection to release emotional and physical blocks in their bodies.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? And how they would do so is they would imagine themselves becoming small and tiny......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and entering into their own body to the source of the block and at that point they were able to imagine ways to get into the wall that was being formed by the block. And then oftentimes that would help with breaking the person away from their physical body and astral project then.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. So, can we apply that same process today? Does that work, have you tried it, and should I give it a shot?

Tia: no, I haven't tried it. I'm lacking information on it and yes, I will give it a try.

Russ: thank you.

Tia: am I going from big to incy wincy teeny me?

Russ: well because you won't fit otherwise. With a blocked chakra, imagine a major chakra at the size you're at? Chakra's nice and small.

Tia: I know where my chakras are.

Russ: are they blocked?

Tia: no.

Russ: you're sure?

Tia: I think so.

Russ: but if one was blocked, how would you unblock it?

Tia: I'd relax, focus energy on it.

Russ: there you go. Sometimes we're not able to do such a thing. On your dimension it's a lot easier. It's too dense down here in our physical.

Tia: I'd say.

Russ: okay, great.

Tia: sorry, I'm being facetious.

Russ: no problem. So, getting small enables you to not only focus energy.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: but, be able to locate that.

Tia: I'm going to throw a barbecue out here. Bring your own dogs please.

Laura: how about hamburgers?

Tia: oh well, any more questions before I hand over to the next one? Oh well. I'll be back, I'm in charge of ceremony. Nobody's going to say see you later?

Russ: we're going to see you in a little while.

Laura: see you later.

Tia: thank you.

(Alana is the guest speaker for the session)

Alana: hmm, different people.

Riss: hi Alana.

Alana: hey.

Russ: how's it going darling? Glad you got my summons.

Alana: thank you.

Russ: I should say, I'm glad you answered my request.

Alana: hmm.

Russ: very nice of you. How are you doing my dear? I'd like to introduce a couple people to you.

Laura: now who is this?

Russ: this is Alana. This is Karra's daughter......

Laura: ohhhh.

Russ: and my bond mate and mother of my child. Alana, this is Laura and that is Skip over here on the other side.

Alana: greetings and felicitations.

Skip: good evening.

Alana: good evening and greeting and felicitations. I am honored to be here. Did I do well?

Russ: you did very well.

Alana: oh, thank you.

Russ: much better than the first time. You're getting very good at this stuff. We don't get to see enough of Alana.

Alana: well I'm busy.

Russ: you are busy, I know. I can understand that.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: but had fun today with you.

Alana: uh-huh. Had to rush from the dolphin area.

Russ: well I wasn't even expecting to see you there today so it was great to be able to share some time and energy with you.

Alana: I'm working with a young dolphin.

Russ: oh, is that going to be one from Maisie?

Alana: yeah, Neesa.

Russ: Misa.

Alana: Neesa.

Russ: Meesa.

Alana: no, no, no. You see, Knot.

Russ: oh, Neesa. I'll work on it.

Laura: you might not stick with thinking in dolphin, Russell.

Russ: well I'm not quite as fluent in dolphin as some people are.

Alana: I can't help it, I'm part dolphin as you've noticed. Actually, my feet are starting to get a little webbed.

Russ: oh, how's Miranda's little feet? Even more so with her feet?

Alana: can't keep her out of the water.

Russ: how does she like that little, new dolphin?

Alana: they play.

Russ: they do?

Alana: okay, now you've got questions for me?

Russ: yes I do. First off, I'd like to ask a little bit about.........when I talked to Omal last Tuesday, we discussed the fact that oftentimes people will perfect and outgrow the physical form and will at that point, are a certain, particular physical form and at that point will move on and go to a higher form or dimension.

Alana: or to a different location for education purposes.

Russ: right. Now my question is, are dolphins the form that is prior to the human form?

Alana: hmmm, yes and no.

Russ: okay good, we got a long answer this time.

Alana: uh-huh. Yes for those that are in an intermediate period in between relocating. And they will have a lesson to learn that they need a one off on.

Russ: hmmm.

Alana: somebody that may be evolved and of high intelligence and yet enjoys persecuting animals for their own fun. Not for food or for clothing but just for pure fun. They will become a dolphin on a planet where they are persecuted and hunted.

Russ: hmm.

Alana: and if they don't learn the lesson, then they have to repeat it.

Russ: I can think of a few duck hunters that that would be a fitting end.

Alana: uh-huh. Now the no part is that people on your planet do not give dolphins enough credit for their intelligence.

Russ: true.

Alana: dolphins are just as smart as humans and they go through the same process as you do but in dolphin form.

Russ: well it's said that humans are the otters of the universe. In other words, the otters are real playful little mammalian marsupials that......

Alana: they're not marsupials. They don't have a pouch.

Russ: oh.

Alana: an otter is an aquatic mammal that lives on both land and water but yes it is playful. It is more akin to the feline.

Russ: okay. So if that, being as we now understand otters and if humans were to be called the otters of the universe, what would dolphins be?

Alana: dolphins.

Russ: oh, well they love to have fun and play....

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: and yet they're very intelligent.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: and so what evolutionary path are they on?

Alana: they're on a different one from you. They are on a parallel one.

Russ: okay. It seems to be almost a higher path except for a few exceptions.

Alana: well, they can never evolve into a spacefaring species without the help of somebody that has the ability to transport them.

Russ: uh-huh.

Alana: because A, they lack fingers and hands.

Russ: uh-huh.

Alana: B, they lack the knowledge on how to make fire and C, because of the lack of hands. They lack the knowledge on how to construct things.

Russ: hmm.

Alana: but, they have a higher intelligence because A, they transmit telepathically with each other. B, they can astral travel as a matter of course. C, they understand how to live in harmony.

Russ: now Karra, when you next speak with her, will be able to hopefully tell you about a book I read which she picked up in my mind numerous times when I read it called "Star Tide Rising".

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: and it's a book about in the future where humans and dolphins work together as a spacefaring race. And of course at that time there is many more races in the stars that we are either against or with. But in this book, the dolphins use these little mechanical waldoes that are attached around their head and they're like arms to reach out to manipulate things.

Alana: okay.

Russ: and they're genetically enhanced dolphins.....

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: and they've been upgraded let's say.

Alana: augmented.

Russ: yeah. But they work as a spacefaring race with humans.

Alana: hmm.

Russ: it's quite a good book.

Alana: okay, I'll get a copy.

Russ: oh sure, she'll know exactly what I'm talking about.

Alana: okay.

Russ: and the other part is on dolphin dreaming.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, two parts on this. The one that they dream and the one that we can dream.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, on the one that they dream, is that a point where they are able to bypass space and time?

Alana: no. They lack the ability to manipulate space and time as you have lacking the ability to manipulate space and time.

Russ: okay.

Alana: it takes a lot of energy to do so.

Russ: but with their astral traveling, you said they couldn't travel very far.

Alana: no.

Russ: okay. In your research, is that one of the things you're working on, helping them to reach that?

Alana: they have an ability to travel I should say about a hundred of your miles.

Russ: okay.

Alana: and no matter how hard we try, we cannot increase their ability because of the medium that they live in and the fact that it doesn't serve any serious function for them. How they communicate over great distances is by telepathy.

Russ: hmm. Well how is your work going with interspecies communication parameters?

Alana: still working. I've been pursuing other projects.

Russ: okay. Well on to the second part of my question.....

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: and that is concerning dolphin dreams in human form....

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: and being able to use a meditation technique to transform myself into a dolphin temporarily.

Alana: or to dream that we are a dolphin.

Russ: right.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: and is it possible to do this with any success rate?

Alana: no not really, or not that I've heard.

Russ: okay. Are there any advantages of being able to?

Alana: I haven't really thought along those lines.

Russ: that's strange, you're half dolphin practically now anyway.

(Russ starts laughing)

Russ: we have a lot of fun.

(Alana says something in dolphin)

Alana: I'm glad you can't understand what I just said. Me trying to speak dolphin which I did terrible anyway.

Russ: well good, now you have something to think about.

(Alana says something quick in dolphin)

Alana: okay.

Russ: dolphin questions guys, or any questions?

Laura: no.

Alana: oh well, I've got to get back to my studies and research.

Russ: thank you Alana, I appreciate your coming.

Alana: thank you, you too.

(Tia is back to get us to the next speaker)

Russ: hi Tia.

(Tia says hi inDurondedunn)

Tia: hmm? Okay, I'm going to put on the ......I know who I'm going to put on next.

Russ: okay.

(Kiri takes her niece's place and gets us to the side's end)

Russ: hi Kiri.

Kiri: yo dude. Hey!!!!.

Laura: hey, how are you?

Kiri: hey!!!!!!! Okay, I believe you've got a question for me Skip.

Skip: have you known me before?

Kiri: yes.

Skip: from where?

Kiri: ummm, both of us were on third dimension, this is not the first time I have been an engineer. My previous life, I was an engineer on a Sirian freighter and you were an engineer on which ship was it? I think it was a Centaurian ship........Alpha yes it was but you weren't a Centaurian if my memory serves me right. But as an engineer, lending your engineering skills to the Centaurians. Yes, I can answer that because we did discuss it in detail with Omal and Korton about a week ago in conference.

Skip: oh.

Kiri: uh-huh. So, to answer your question is, yes, you are a new spirit to this planet. That is why you haven't picked up any spiritualism at this point yet. It's a matter of patience and time and to keep practicing your engineering skills. You'll find that engineering will seem like it could do with a lot of refinements. Take video cameras for example, as relayed to me by Tia.

Skip: well, the reason that I ask is because my ancestors had......

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: mechanical abilities......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: as far as just kind of curious.

Kiri: yeah. And then there was that statement that was made about you being a new spirit. Yes, you are to this planet. You learned all that you could learn working on starships and so on and now you need to, instead of having a narrow focus on engineering only, you need to expand your all-round experiences.

Skip: okay.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: it's true.

Kiri: okay, glad I could be of service.

Russ: you haven't had a little discussion or conference with Omal about your lives with me and Mark have you?

Kiri: why, what do you want to know?

Russ: well, about Maxxus and Naxxus and.....

(Past lives of Mark and myself where we were brothers in Atlantis)

Kiri: sorry, can't discuss that. That is, as you might say, verboten?

Russ: just wondering.

Kiri: you know what happens when you discuss Maxxus and Naxxus, things materialize and explode and your brain gets almost fried?

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: what would you like it with? Mushrooms and shrimps this time? And maybe that long, thin, short, green tuber thingy?

Russ: we can't discuss it.

Kiri: later....

(The gang laugh)

Kiri: later. After hours please. Okay......uh-huh?

Russ: go ahead.

Laura: no, I'm thinking.

Kiri: feline, feline. Which one is that? That's.....

Laura: Joey.

Kiri: ahh. Joey.

Russ: so what did I hear about Alex today?

Kiri: oh, his great escape thing?

Russ: oh yeah, that's it.

Kiri: uh-huh, what you want to know about it? That was yesterday that happened.

Russ: that was yesterday.

Kiri: uh-huh. Oh, they took the children from the crèche for a what you would call a field trip into a recreational wooded land that we have up here?

Laura: uh-huh.

Kiri: and three of the children broke and did a runner. One was Tia's daughter Minerva that turns into felines from time to time. They're just little toddlers. And then there was Alex that did a runner and they all went off in different directions and played around in the rocks and got everybody really concerned that they'd run off and hidden so they used a computer to locate them.

Laura: what did they do?

Kiri: they just asked the computer to locate a life form of a particular height, dimension's of.....yeah, two arms, legs, whatever, and for energy readings.

Laura: hmm.

Skip: that sounds awfully familiar. That's the same kind of detector......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: that we have.......

Kiri: on your entertainment.

Skip: yes, right.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: science-fiction series in fact.

Kiri: well there's a lot of parallel.....

Skip: mechanisms.

Kiri: yeah. Well we don't have transporters. I do like watching that entertainment.

Skip: they have the......okay, tricorders the thing I was trying to think of.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: it is a mechanism to locate lifeforms.

Kiri: uh-huh. Oh, this is a computer that is located in the central computer core that it has the ability to scan things.

Skip: oh, okay.

Kiri: uh-huh. You have to have a little console that you plug into a particular point and then it interacts with the main computer and you can ask......

Skip: oh, all right. You've got the power to draw on, you have to have a battery pack in your head.

Kiri: that's right.

Skip: okay.

Laura: does it draw on body heat?

Kiri: yeah, body heat, body energy, sunlight....

Skip: sunlight.

Kiri: uh-huh. It's kind of like a non-harmful radar. But what it does is, that it will scan something and then maps it into the main computer in slices and then it reassembles it in the holographic drive. Not a holographic image but it's a holographic thought process for the computer. And it reassembles it and gets it to match with known set specifications.

Russ: well why can't you just say, "find Minerva?"

Kiri: well that's what we do.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: and the computer goes through its mind or through its records and comes up with all the names and will cross reference it and you may have three or four Minerva's. Actually, there's three on the base.

Russ: well how come it had so much trouble picking her out from the other cats? It would seem it could at least figure out a child who is pretending to be a cat and is very much like a cat among real cats.

Kiri: well you see when it scans, is that it can't distinguish between one person and another unless that person speaks and then it reads the voice.

Russ: isn't that where you come in?

Kiri: I may be smart but I ain't that smart.

(Everybody breaks out in laughter)

Kiri: who do you think I am, huh?

Russ: I see the ideas, you come up with the way to fix it.

Kiri: do you know how long that would take me to work on?

Russ: you have nothing better to do.

Skip: it gives you a bit of a challenge.

Kiri: yeah, about 500 years.

Skip: just a bit.

Kiri: oh okay, so I give up half my life to redesigning a computer. That doesn't......

Skip: well why not......

Kiri: no, no, I was going to be very self-indulgent.

Russ: I'll help.

Skip: I've got one other question for you, please.

Kiri: yeah? Okay.

Skip: will I ever be able to draw on my past lives to enhance the work I'm doing now?

Kiri: not this one.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: because you have to learn your surroundings before you can interact and draw on the memories from the past.

Skip: oh, okay.

Kiri: but it won't be, in your next life you'll go, "oh, I know what to do and how to fix that". It will be you'll do something that will make you look at it a different way and you will think in a different way that will seem alien in your next life. Which will actually be your mind cross-referencing with its record that it carries of your previous lives and say, "okay, now if you do it this way like we did it in life A22...."

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: "we can improve it this way which will mean that it will be better than the original".

Skip: uh-huh.

Laura: is this thing sort of like, "no, I know I've never done this before so I was".........

Kiri: and it seems so easy?

Laura: first time that I knew how to do it?

Kiri: uh-huh. It's your spirit accessing memories that it doesn't tell you about.

Laura: hmm.

Russ: so I couldn't do a past life regression on Skip very easy then?

Kiri: no, because there is a natural block that first of all, you need to learn about......

Laura: so in other words, Russell could do a past life regression on me and get quite a bit?

Kiri: yes. But because this is Skip's first life on this planet, he has to get himself accustomed. It's like....

Skip: just like putting on a new pair of shoes?

Kiri: yeah, uh-huh.

Skip: okay, you got a break them in.

Kiri: that's right. And if you try to access it, you'll get total, disjointed present, what's occurring now, what occurred in the past in this life and possibilities interrupted with desires.

Skip: hmmm, okay.

Kiri: so you get a mishmash of things. Things that you've seen on television or things that you've seen at the big.........

Skip: big screen.

Kiri: yeah, big-screen, yeah. Uh-huh, yeah. Or at other forms of entertainment.

Skip: uh-huh.

Laura: I have an alien who observes me.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Laura: who is it, do you know?

Kiri: hmm, not too sure at the moment, you'd have to ask one of the heavies.

Laura: I was just really curious.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Laura: I'm just curious as to why.

Kiri: umm, the same way that we have.........sorry, can't say that. Put my foot right in it if I went on.

Laura: I was curious as to why I've been observed.

Kiri: it's possible that it's curious in you. By learning from one person, it can understand a little bit about a particular species. For example, where is it? Ahh, come here, come here, come here. Okay, if you scratch her behind the ears she starts to purr. Now why is it that all cats purr?

Laura: contentment.

Kiri: uh-huh. So you learn that if you scratch a cat behind the ears, it purrs because because it's happy.





(Kiri resumes from she left off on side one)

Kiri: ........the way it behaves, you can learn about one cat, you also learn something about every other cat. For example, why does a cat walk around in circles before it lies down?

Skip: that's a hangover from being wild to.......

Laura: domesticated.

Skip: it's standing in the tall grass......

Kiri: exactly. So now you know two things about a cat. One is, that they like to made contented and two, that they go around in circles to press the grass down because they were once a wild animal. Some of them still are wild, aren't they?

Skip: yes they are.

Laura: I would think they would be more interested in a person who was more intellectual, more advanced.

Kiri: again, I can't give you an answer because I would put myself into trouble.

Laura: we tried...

Russ: they tried but they can't get it past so.....

Kiri: hey piglet, Pegasus?

Russ: not Pegasus.....

Kiri: Joey.

Russ: Joey.

Kiri: hey, Pegasus is......

Russ: looks like Joey.

Kiri: a little. Pegasus is a cat that lives in the apartment. It was given to Minerva as a pet but I don't know who's the pet actually anymore. Okay, more questions?

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: on the engineering standpoint, I'm going to be going and doing the flight training tomorrow........

(In a ship on the base for search and rescue)

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but is there a way that.......I have little trouble with the controls.

Kiri: we're working on them.

Russ: thank you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: I've assigned it to be worked on by somebody else.

Russ: oh, okay.

Kiri: mainly because if I did, I'd get in trouble for working too hard.

Russ: good point.

Kiri: I got a big sister that interferes.

Russ: interferes?

Kiri: interfering, old busybody is the term.

(Everyone starts to laugh)

Russ: okay. Anyway, how come I'm having trouble with them? Is it my..........?

Kiri: you lack the manual dexterity.

Russ: okay. I look forward to your improvements.

Kiri: my improvements? I'm not........

Russ: it's coming out of your office.

Kiri: well okay. Okay, anymore questions?

Skip: thank you very much, I appreciate it.

Kiri: okay. Yeah, I've got to pose..........I've got plans. See you later Russ.

Russ: bye love.

Kiri: see you later Skip, see you later Laura.

Laura: good night.

Skip: good night.

Kiri: see you later feline, Pegasus.

(Omal begins to channel through Mark now)

Omal: greetings and felicitations.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: greetings Russ, greetings Skip, greetings Laura.

Skip: how do you do sir?

Omal: I am functioning within specified diameters.

Skip: good. You sound pretty good.

Omal: thank you. Yes, apparently I have been forbidden from going to the surface of our base here due to the fact that it is already dry, they do not wish it to be drier.

(Lots of snickering all around)

Laura: okay?

Omal: okay, let us proceed to answer these questions.

Russ: I'll give the chair up to you guys.

Skip: I got mine answered.

Omal: I think Kiri did well on elaborating.

Skip: yes sir, I agree.

Omal: we discussed it in great detail in a conference that we had.

Skip: okay.

Russ: okay, well I'll ask mine then.

Omal: okay.

Russ: all right. In choosing to believe in time and space, we choose the lessons that come with it. But, can you also not choose to believe it and still exist in the third dimension?

Omal: yes.

Russ: how so?

Omal: because your species as a whole is a we.

Russ: okay.

Omal: somebody may opt out of the we but they are still part of it.

Russ: what are they then?

Omal: they are an outsider that loses the knowledge of the lessons that they will learn. They do not wish to be involved with the world. They do not wish to be involved with understanding the relationship with space and time.

Russ: are they still corporeal?

Omal: yes, they are still a living, breathing entity but their intelligence is affected. But they do not become more intelligent, they are destined to repeat the learning experience that they need to learn. If they're not careful and carry on in their second life learning that lesson, then they get trapped in a loop. They do not learn and they do not progress.

Laura: so they end up chasing their tail?

Omal: yes.

Russ: oh, I see. Can't that lead to stagnating, wouldn't you?

Omal: exactly.

Russ: well, the human condition almost keeps you from stagnating. Always wanting to do better. Seems like that almost would be a contradiction.

Omal: it is a dead and. You do not go anywhere you rotate around chasing our tail. Stagnating going nowhere.

Russ: do we have any examples that we would have known or heard about in the papers or news media? Clinton?

Omal: you should have discussed that with Kiri.

(Skip and Laura break into laughter)

Skip: excuse me for giggling.

Russ: just kidding.

Skip: excuse me.

Russ: it's a dig at myself actually.

Omal: uh-huh. Let me see, anybody that you would know. There was no one alive at present that you would know in your famous media or person. Yes, there is one person.

Russ: oh good.

Omal: sorry, we cannot discuss them at this time.

Russ: oh, how about historical?

Omal: historical, let me see.

Russ: I'd just like an example of what not to look for.

Omal: okay, the Marquis de Sade.

Russ: oh, okay, I see.

Omal: the Duke of Gloucester.

Russ: Mark would know about that.

Laura: how about Abraham Lincoln?

Omal: no, Abraham Lincoln is a very talented person but the gentleman that terminated him.

Skip: John Wilkes Booth.

Russ: oh that's right.

Omal: yes. He, in past lives, has assassinated people before.

Skip: like he did there.

Omal: and he still hasn't........or he is waiting rebirth at present. I believe his name in the last life was.....

Laura: Oswald?

Omal: yes, thank you. Lee Harvey Oswald.

Russ: that's very good.

Omal: but remember, spirits travel in groups. When they are reborn, they are reborn at a time that would affect other members of their group either to leave or to follow.

Russ: good, that leads me to my next question. That is, I was looking through a national geographic and was reading about Alexander the Ggreat.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now we know that he was born again as Patton......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: but, what was it? Patton was in Alexander's main Army I believe if I'm correct.

Omal: yes.

Russ: so he was close to Alexander.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now Alexander the Great's father was Philip the Second of Macedonia.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and so to find that grouping, would you look again to that grouping around Patton possibly?

Omal: yes and there is a clue here.

Russ: okay.

Omal: Patton once said or was explaining about a battle in Europe that he was involved in in a previous life. No, he was discussing a battle and one of the generals said, "you would've made a great marshal for Napoleon". And Patton laughed and says, "but I was".

Russ: ohhhh.

Omal: fill in the blanks.

Russ: no problem. Wait a minute. Patton was a.......

Omal: yes, exactly.

Russ: marshal for Napoleon who was a marshal for Alexander the Great, that would make Alexander the Great to Napoleon to who was in charge of Patton? Who was Patton's commanding officer?

Skip: you don't know?

Russ: uh-uh. Eisenhower?

Skip: no, a little bit bigger than Eisenhower. He got fired by Truman.

Russ: oh, oh, oh, the......

Skip: MacArthur.

Russ: MacArthur, right.

Omal: no, MacArthur was not the general in charge. He was Eastern.......

Russ: Pacific.

Omal: Pacific.

Russ: so Patton's commanding officer in Europe was Eisenhower.

Skip: no, Eisenhower was not in command at that time.

Russ: he wasn't?

Skip: no, he didn't. He didn't become commander until the Korean situation after MacArthur got fired.

Russ: oh.

Skip: that's why I keep thinking.......

Omal: Eisenhower was president of your United States. He was elected in 1950 I believe.

Russ: right.

Skip: but previous to that he was commander-in-chief of all the armies after MacArthur got fired which would make it back in 1950.

Omal: in fifty, he was already in office. There was a general just before.......who was it who that was in charge? It wasn't.....

Skip: Mark Clark was....

Omal: yeah, it was Mark Clark was directly below Eisenhower in Europe.

Skip: right, he was in Europe.

Omal: he was commander-in-chief of US forces in Korea but was relieved by MacArthur.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: okay, then after MacArthur was Ridgeway.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: who was the British general?

Skip: oh that was.....

Omal: Montgomery.

Skip: Montgomery.

Omal: Montgomery was.........

Skip: a British officer.

Omal: the same.......

Skip: the same classification as.......

Omal: Patton.

Skip: Patton.

Russ: oh.

Skip: in other words he was a marshal or.........

Omal: Field Marshal.

Skip: Field Marshal, yeah.

Russ: he was under Churchill.

Skip: yeah.

Omal: no.

Russ: yes he was.

Skip: Montgomery?

Omal: Montgomery was under Eisenhower. Eisenhower was elected to be in charge by Churchill and Roosevelt.

Skip: oh yeah. All the Allied commanders elected him to be in charge.

Omal: yes.

Russ: theoretically, we're looking at Patton's commanding officer being Eisenhower.

Omal: correct. And who are all these people? We have Eisenhower, Napoleon......

Russ: Alexander.

Omal: and Alexander the Great.

Laura: so they're running in packs, in other words?

Omal: yes.

Skip: in groups.

Laura: is this a continuation of a learning experience?

Omal: yes. At present, none of the individuals are around. They are all waiting for rebirth.

Laura: they're being prepared, right?

Omal: yes.

Skip: no, there's nobody out there right now that's got the ability of what these officers had.

Omal: there is one.

Russ: one?

Omal: there is one.

Russ: who?

Laura: it isn't Putin.

Skip: no, he's a president, he's not a supreme commander.

Russ: oh, Powell.

Omal: what was that name?

Russ: Powell.

Omal: yes.

Russ: commander in the Gulf War.

Omal: no, that was Schwarzkopf that was.......

Russ: oh, well Powell was Schwarzkopf's boss.

Omal: correct.

Laura: what's with North?

Omal: ahhh.

(Russ laughs)

Laura: did I hit a button? Did I push a button there?

Omal: yes, you did push a button. We cannot discuss it because.....

Skip: I figured that was coming.

Laura: is he still alive?

Skip: yeah, North is still alive.

Russ: yeah.

Laura: that's what I said, did......

Omal: his time is coming soon.

Skip: he carried out orders and I still believe that to this day, he done nothing but carry out orders.

Omal: you would have to discuss that with a member of the Sirian defense force who is currently on the base. She would explain in great detail loyalty, carrying out orders.....

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: duty and obedience I believe is what she calls it.

Skip: he had too many people to answer to.

Omal: correct.

Skip: and I understand military because I was in it.

Omal: yes, we know.

Russ: all right. Well going back to Alexander......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and even before that, I'm looking at a historical references to energies, positive and negative that were influencing the region at the time of Alexander. The two major periods prior to Alexander were the Egyptian and at Alexander's time was the Babylonian. And apparently all three were connected....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: but I'm not exactly sure why. I wonder if you could clarify that?

Omal: look at where they are situated.

Russ: they are in the Mediterranean. It's like Egypt and Babylonia formed the two towers.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and Alexander and the Greeks formed like, sort of like if you were to go to a Lord of the Rings kind of thing, they were like Minas Tirith and then you'd have like another older, darker kind of thing over on the other side.

Omal: the seats of power, another set in one place, they move from place to place. Where a civilization that has potential, power and energy will flow to. So an area that has potential, will have power and energy. If it does not know how to use it, it will eventually decay and the energy will drift around and focus on a new place that has potential. So if you look throughout history, you have......

Russ: Atlantis.

Omal: Atlantis, right.

Russ: Egypt.

Omal: Egypt.

Russ: Babylonia.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: Greece.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: Rome.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: England.

Omal: no, China.

Russ: China, then England.

Omal: no.

Russ: Russia.

Omal: no. "Sailing, sailing, over the ocean blue".

Russ: Spain.

Omal: no, let's be specific about this.

Russ: okay. Oh, pacific. Japan.

Omal: no, try little bit further.

Laura: Ireland.

Omal: wrong ocean.

Laura: you didn't say how far.

Russ: it's not India.

Omal: all right, you are in a vessel on your ocean.

Russ: right.

Omal: you set sail, you follow the coast of China.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: you go up, you hit ice. You follow the ice line, you come down the next coast and it's all arid and rugged terrain and the civilizations there aren't really that cohesive or intelligent. You go down, you come down past the Hood River estuary. You go further down, you go past Drake's point, you go down, you go past the bridge by the bay.

Russ: America.

Omal: you go further down....

Skip: Mexico.

Russ: Mexico? Oh, the Incas.

Omal: the Incas, the Aztecs....

Russ: Mayan.

Omal: the Mayans.

Laura: what happened to these people?

Russ: well mostly what we're doing now. They were over populating, they wiped themselves out by deforestation causing droughts around their cities and the city would die out. And this switching about having the power.....

Laura: but they did so much agriculture, I don't understand that.

Russ: well the thing is because the land in that area, the soil is only that thick that you can grow crops on. The rain forest spreads out, their roots spread out. They don't go down, they spread out over a thin layer of soil. Because it's all basalt below that and won't grow into that. And so when they cut down the rain forest to grow their crops, the crops only got three years worth of corn and you couldn't grow anything there anymore. That was it.

Laura: basically what happened is the cities burned themselves out.

Russ: right and the cities died throughout the whole area.

Skip: they had to scatter themselves everywhere around.

Omal: there are exceptions to the rules. The Incas, they learned the theory of controlling water and irrigation and terracing.

Skip: true.

Russ: and they're still going strong.

Omal: correct.

Russ: well, not as strong.

Omal: well the fields, if they were to utilize them, they could feed themselves. The area where the Incas were, Peru I believe, they could make Peru totally independent of imported food.

Laura: I don't understand, they had so much, so much intelligence, what happened?

Omal: they were attacked by a superior force. They had alien influences brought up on them that they had no understanding of. They had prophecies that they had predicted which seem to fit the invaders.

Russ: they had disease.

Omal: well that comes into factors.

Skip: they spoke their own language......

Omal: fear is the biggest destroyer.

Skip: so they wiped them out.

Omal: they had so much knowledge and now they have nothing

Laura: now they have nothing.

Omal: it is because they became oppressed. They were broken down, they had their morale destroyed.....

Russ: then their school system broke down. Education was the first to go.

Omal: exactly.

Russ: so that future generations just didn't learn what the older generations had.

Skip: because it wasn't written down.

Omal: and because........oh, it was written down, it was protected by the priestly classes and it's still there.

Laura: but they don't release that.

Omal: it is hidden and protected for the protection of the people.

Russ: the Codexes.

Omal: to release that kind of knowledge would be harmful to the people.

Russ: they found brand-new temples and stuff and they've got a whole bunch of new writings they can't decipher yet.

Omal: at this time.

Russ: at this time.

Omal: okay, more questions please.

Russ: okay. Yes, after the Incas, we go to America.

Omal: isn't the Incas and the Aztec and the Mayans part of America? The Toltecs?

Russ: it's the same, kind of.

Omal: well, the Aztecs I believe were in Mexico.

Russ: right.

Omal: and you go up.....

Russ: oh, it would be Europe.

Omal: yes.

Russ: then Britain......

Skip: then America.

Omal: yes. Well actually, it goes into the Soviet Union where the Soviet Union was and then finally, here.

Russ: finally to here. Now, is it still here then or has it moved out?

Omal: it is at that point.

Russ: where we could use it or lose it kind of thing?

Omal: yes. Not only does the power go the strength to dominate. It is also a noble obligation but it is a very heavy wine, very heavy. And it can corrupt so easy.

Russ: yes, but Omal, if you look at the civilizations that have had the power and then lost it, it's not much left but the dregs. And to see that happen to where we live is a scary thought.

Omal: it is not necessarily the dregs. If you look at the former Soviet Union, admittedly it is in pretty bad shape but that is because when it got corrupted, it was a very powerful country. If you look at Great Britain, is it the dregs?

Russ: they're not doing very good.

Omal: they're not doing too badly.

Russ: true.

Omal: do you look at China?

Russ: they're doing great.

Skip: but China's coming back. They've already hit the bottom, they're coming back up industrial thing....

Omal: exactly.

Russ: well is there anything we could do to keep that from happening or is it beyond our control?

Omal: look at the morals of each society that has failed.......

Russ: okay.

Omal: look at how the family is treated. Look at the social structure of all these. Let us first look at a very good example.

Russ: okay.

Omal: Rome.

Russ: right.

Omal: describe Rome at its heyday please.

Russ: running water, baths, government, laws, armies, world domination practically for the known world.

Omal: next description of ancient Rome please?

Skip: it was a great party.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: they got to the point where anything you want morally, legally. What I understand from my history, they got down to the point where morals didn't exist.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: and the only thing that existed for any of it was idolatry.

Omal: uh-huh. Describe your country at present.

Skip: same.

Laura: they're working on it.

Russ: our moral system isn't as bad as it was.

Laura: exactly.

Skip: yeah it is.

Laura: well it's getting better.

Skip: it's still bad.

Laura: no, but it's getting better. I think a lot of it has to do with the AIDS scare too.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: we're trying to support the whole world right at the present time but they can't do it physically or do it financially.

Omal: uh-huh. It is a very heavy wine to be a power.

Laura: that is the position that these countries are forcing.

Skip: no, we put our self in that position by........

Omal: exactly.

Skip: volunteering to do this.

Laura: no, what I'm saying is that they asked us for this help.

Skip: we do it.

Laura: as long as they continue to ask us, we're going to do it.

Omal: it is called the noble obligation.

Skip: we sure get stretched about as thin as you can go.

Omal: uh-huh. Okay, last question please.

Russ: okay, well the only one I've got is on restarting my class and the group......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and we'll be going through the refresher courses but what would be the key to rebuilding and honing their psychic edges?

Omal: it would be better to discuss this at our next channeling session.

Russ: on Friday?

Omal: yes.

Russ: all right, thank you Omal.

Skip: thank you Omal.

Laura: good night.

Omal: live long and prosper and, I'll be back. Omal to enterprise, one to beam up.

(Tia gives us a short look at the future)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: okay, I'm going to put the last person on.

Russ: okay.

Tia: and then I might come back and answer final questions.

Russ: right.

(Karra is the last of the speakers before Tia returns to end things)

Karra: best for last.

Russ: hi darling.

Karra: hey beanpole. Greetings Laura?

Laura: uh-huh.

Karra: greetings Skip.

Skip: good evening.

Karra: good evening. I am the healer.

Russ: oh, that's Karra.

Laura: oh, okay. I'm supposed to ask her questions.

Karra: that was my sister you were meant to ask.

Skip: it's about a crystal.

Karra: oh, no. I thought you were going to ask a political question that was basically set up.

Laura: they explained it, the rose crystal.

Skip: you're the healer.

Karra: yes I am. I am the one that told you to wash your hands after healing, to clap your hands when you cannot and rub them. Is there anything that you wish to further understand? Yes, many things.

Skip: yeah, you got it. Is there anyway I can increase this healing?

Karra: ummm, at the moment it is best to learn to control what you have so it does not feed back on itself. Coming to understand it is the most important thing. Feeling its usage and how to use it wisely so you do not spread yourself thin as I have unfortunately learned. Spreading oneself very thinly can be a curse and can also become emotionally attached.

Russ: okay. Well, my biggest question is working on that pyramid today and our building of it and the design. First off, I want to check on, we're going to be putting copper wire around the iron plate or over an iron plate.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and throughout the iron parts and charging them up. How's the healing factors of the pyramid going to be impacted?

Karra: it's going to focus it.

Russ: okay.

Karra: it is going to also amplify it to a lower level in the pyramid. I do not mean a lower level of energy, I mean a lower point in the pyramid so that you can lie down within the energy field.

Russ: oh. And then you will turn it on on and off as needed?

Karra: right.

Russ: now than, in using time and space and are they bypassed in healing? In other words, when you heal.......

Karra: they do not interfere in healing.

Russ: okay. So when you are healing psychically, are you repairing the subtle bodies and then that carries over into the physical?

Karra: no, you are working on the physical.

Russ: well, how is the subtle bodies affected then?

Karra: because when you work on the physical, the subtle bodies, the astral body, and all the other bodies are affected also. An astral body reflects the condition of the individual.

Russ: oh, I see.

Karra: yeah, sorry.

Russ: so it's like a mirror?

Karra: uh-huh. If you have a nice, bright, bouncy, cheerful aura, you have a nice, bright, bouncy individual. Normally a bright, bouncy aura is a sign of being of well health.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: a splotchy aura reflects the individual's condition. A white aura, or a gray aura reflects other conditions.

Russ: now yesterday, you were observing with me a gentleman named Keith.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and, at the time, his aura was very unhealthy.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: should I go ahead and making the options to him towards helping him in that field or leave it to himself?

Karra: you can make subtle hints.

Russ: okay.

Karra: Kiri would be a better one to discuss that with.

Russ: oh, I'll arrange that with her.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: oh, what about Mark's leg?

Karra: again, I've got to say that he has got to come to us to ask or help on that.

Russ: okay.

Karra: we can do all the work that we wish on it but if he doesn't know how to handle it, then to treat his leg whilst it's healing, might as well do nothing.

Russ: true. Okay, Carrie's arrival's next Tuesday.

Karra: okay, we need to set up a healing recording to be used prior to a channeling session, for her to lie within the pyramid, to use your LS machine.

(Light and sound machine)

Russ: okay, we'll set it up for Friday. Okay, set it for a 30 minute session?

Karra: yes.

Russ: and you'll just do a dissertation then?

Karra: uh-huh. And we will have music that we will decide upon nearer to the time. Probably Enya would be best. We have the tape? Okay.

Russ: okay. My last one is Mike Oldfield's "Tubular Bells"......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: or would you say that's an example of being chakra music?

Karra: yes.

Russ: okay, well how would that be for......

Karra: no.

Russ: too vibrant?

Karra: yes. Okay, any questions from the gallery?

Skip: you answered mine.

Laura: no.

Karra: no?

Laura: no.

Skip: thank you very much.

Karra: okay, you're welcome. I have to go and attend to a very smelly diaper.

(Tia comes on to wrap up teh channeling session)

Russ: hi Tia.

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Tia: yeah?

Russ: yeah.

(Laura starts to chuckle)

Laura: I think this is the perkiest I've ever seen her.

Tia: what about that time of your Buffalo.

(Laura's spirit animal)

Laura: that was.....yeah.

Tia: uh-huh. Don't say it.

Laura: I was surprised that it was even......let you see.

Tia: uh-huh. I smelled it more than I felt it. It was kind of starting to sense it. First of all, I could smell very Buffalo smell.

Laura: very musky, huh? It's very musky, I smell it a lot.

Tia: uh-huh. I have a very sensitive smell.

Laura: you're the only one I know that has a sense to it and that was just my psychic ability I thought.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: we have a little bit of tape to play with here darling, so the question I've got my dear and we'll see what you can do with it........

Tia: okay.

Russ: and that is, we were discussing earlier with Omal, the Mayans, the Incas, and the Aztecs.

Tia: ahh-hah, yeah, sorry.

Russ: well, as I remember, and is stolen strictly from past life primarily, is that they were very heavy into astral projection.

Tia: not my planet buddy.

Russ: I didn't think you'd be able to help me with that.

(Laura and Skip are laughing)

Skip: I love that answer.

Tia: that's an interesting cough you've got there, mind if I join you?

(Tia speaks to the cat on the futon)

Tia: yes? Sorry, did I spook you?

Russ: in astral projection, they need something like landmarks to follow, correct?

Tia: yes and no.

Russ: as in beginning astral.....

Tia: oh, as a beginning? Yes.

Russ: okay. Now, a number of interesting creatures that we find throughout the South American area the Mayans were part of, Guatemala and southern Mexico area, are what are called stella. And these stella are like very tall pillars.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: with intricate carving and everything, but archaeologists can find no real reason why they were put there except as maybe a boundary type of line.

Tia: yeah, right.

Russ: it would seem to me though that could be a perfect kind of way for anyone who's astral projecting to use as a landmark. And coming back......

Tia: later on, probably later on they were used as landmarks but originally it sounds that they were more like barriers, but I'm only giving you an unintelligent guess.

Russ: but barriers against what?

Tia: of tribes. What you think?

Russ: so another tribe will come up upon a stella and no it's another civilizations territory.

Tia: exactly. It's like you have signposts saying if I've got the translation right, here is South Lake Tahoe?

Russ: well yes.

Tia: uh-huh. So it's kind of a sign. A sign here, a sign there, again not my planet. Hey, I'm a foreigner. Even where I am at the moment it isn't my planet.

Russ: well that's true. What do they use on Durondedunn for landmarks to find?

Tia: we use shapes of hills. We artificially shape a hill.

Russ: oh, really?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: the Chinese used to do that too but they did it because of the energy of land would felt this.

Tia: well you'd have a town in a valley here, right? With a river and nice fields all the way around it and bridges and nice streets and nice buildings with nice, pointed spires and then you'd have a hill over here, right? And there would be a big ditch cut around it that you can see from quite some way away and then there would be a central point where at nighttime you could light a signal fire if necessary.

Russ: really?

Tia: and you could see the tower from, ohhh, I should say about 30 miles?

Russ: question for you, and you might find this in Mark's mind you might not, what are those things again in South America? The animals and the spiders.....

Skip: you're talking about the ground.....

Russ: yeah, the ground markings.

Skip: the ground markings, the big.....

Laura: yeah, the big........

Russ: there's these huge markings in South America.

Skip: yeah.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and they're like hundreds and hundreds of feet long and if you're on the ground you can't tell. You've got to be up in the air to see them and so they thought maybe they had communications with aliens was the only reason they were drawn.

Skip: yeah, the tall drawings.

Russ: well wouldn't it be more likely that this was an astral projection kind of thing?

Tia: Nazca lines.

Russ: Nazca lines, absolutely. It would seem like, if you're coming in, you'd be able to see these......

Tia: quite possible, quite possible that it would be saying , "here is the order of the hummingbird".

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: or here is the order of the spider.


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