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Archivist Notes: This podcast was highlighted by two things that almost never happened in the channeling sessions. I had to excuse myself before the end due to exhaustion which led to the happy accident where the tape was left running past the last speaker. Because of that, we have one of the rare instances that we get to hear Mark's real voice as he comes back from visiting the base. It's with fond memories that I am once more treated to hearing my dear friend and spiritual brother.

   On that note then is Tia borrowing that voice to discuss the GM strike at the time, a trip down memory lane to the Monica Lewinsky scandal and how one of her and Mark's children got sick over eating a dead mouse. Leonedies comes on after her to go over the preliminary groundwork for the talks between the various races involved with the planet and why it was our planet that was chosen to host the talks. Omal follows him to finish up side one with a strong reminder that growth is taking place all around us and is part of the natural process. We also categorize the various Defcon levels relating to the possible scenarios leading to an economic and societal collapse.

    Karra gets side two started by letting us know she will be away for the upcoming week for a formal function on Sirius and then has an excellent discourse on the ingredients of chocolate and cigarettes. Kiri goes next explaining how Tia came to get her nickname but only gets a short way before I head for bed. Her and Skip go on without me about the technical aspects of home security and car engines. Side two ends with Mark returning from the sixth dimension and going over the personal exhaustion I had been experiencing at the time.

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3.)(32:38)- Omal reminds us of the growth taking place around us on our path to ascension and we list the various levels of Defcon warnings.


2.)(14:02)- Kiri tells us how Tia got the nickname "Fluffy One" and talks engineering with Skip concerning home security and cars.

3.)(35:08)- Mark comes back into his body as he and Skip have a short discussion before the tape runs out.

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Duration: 47:31 min. - File type: mp3

Part 2 Listen to this episode (RIGHT CLICK AND OPEN IN A NEW TAB OR WINDOW)
Duration: 37:02 min. - File type: mp3



(The Fluffy One gets us started)

Tia: breathe.

Russ: oh fluffy one.

(Tia says something in Durondedunn with a vengeance)

Skip: fluffy one.

Russ: oh Miss Fluffy.

Skip: how come you're fluffy tonight?

Tia: it's a Kiri expression.

Skip: hmmm.

Tia: okay, down to business, down to business. Okay, where shall I start? Where do you want me to start? Okay.......

Russ: I can help start a few things.

Tia: okay, what do you want to start?

Russ: well, for example, our Defcon meetings that you had with Omal.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well we've got a strike settlement.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so......

Tia: we're all setup....

Russ: we're all setup.

Tia: however, what's been going on that got us all rattled and everything is the fact that our estimates are two billion dollars in loss to GM due to this strike, the fact that it is unlawful, unlawful and illegal, so that is civil disobedience.

Russ: can't be illegal.

Tia: it is illegal.

Russ: what's the statutes under which it is legal though?

Tia: the union contract states that they can only deal with local issues or safety infractions or and the third one was speeding up the line to increase productivity and thus being a safety issue. None of these were the reason for them going out on strike.

Russ: was it pay?

Tia: nope, well partly, partly also the fact that GM wanted to lay off and modernize and improve the plant and lay off approximately 50,000 workers overall I think, I could be wrong on the number throughout the whole entire company and to increase and modernize the plants at Flint which aren't in any of the three criteria. So, our decision on looking at the legal statutes and everything is that it was an illegal strike. I could go into more detail but I'm not going to. That was one of the reasons why we had our Defcon meetings. Also the fact that the stock market has dropped over 400 points in just over a week and a half. Again, the reason why we didn't step up the level is because it did not meet any of our criteria of a drop of 150 points at the end of the day. There was a time where we had a meeting that was an emergency, well not an emergency meeting but I was summoned to Omal's office where the Dow had actually dropped 211 points. In the meeting we discussed various things which I can't go over but that was one of the things that was looked upon. As I was in a meeting at the time I also had my little ear device in so I could hear what the stock market was doing and I decided against Omal that we should not step up and make a announcement. This was done because I felt that the market was going to recover as it was dropping so rapidly that my feeling was that investors would come in and bargain hunt which they did. That day it ended down 94 points. Also, a natural disaster which has been discussed much lately is the fact that 89 individuals have died in Texas due to the heat, there is close to a half a billion dollars in loss through electricity losses and fiscal losses, cattle and so on due to the heat. It is pushing up the prices of food throughout the United States of America, primarily beef prices and chicken prices. So looking at that, it was "okay", but again that did not quite meet the criteria necessary. Everything was real border point when we made our decisions. Fortunately, two of the factors, the Flint plant's problems kind of aided in being settled helped us to step down, to come down from our readiness point.

Russ: hmmm, pretty close though huh?

Tia: uh-huh. So we were pretty ready to release a communiqué but we decided against it. You see, they have to meet definitely and clearly the various criteria.

Russ: hmmm.

Tia: now, let us move along a little bit to my pet subject, Bill Clinton.

(Skip starts to snigger)

Tia: uh-huh, what?

Skip: nothing.

Tia: okay.

Skip: go ahead darling, I'm just listening.

Tia: okay, first of all, has the president perjured himself? So far everything is rumored. She is going to say yes they did have sex. They said, she hasn't said yet, she hasn't said anything. So whether or not he has perjured himself is still up in the air. Now, let us assume that he didn't, let us also assume that she is going to say that nothing happened etc. etc.. This basically takes the sting out of impeachment processes which in my opinion is good due to the fact that if he is impeached, Al Gore would become president and things will not go as well as they should because people will not trust anybody to do with President Clinton. Now, if she says that they did and he has committed perjury, then that is a felony but it is not something that would be desirable for an impeachment. With the way things are going, the proceedings for the trial for perjury would more than likely take place after he's out of the presidency. Also, the investigations into campaign finance and selling or letting U.S. companies give technology to the Chinese is also something that is very serious and an impeachable offense. However, again if he is impeached then the government is hamstrung, he becomes a laughingstock, the U.S. becomes a laughingstock. So again I think they're not going to impeach him as much as it would be the appropriate thing to do. However, if they do impeach him, the correct thing for him to do would be to stand down. However, I don't think he would, he would want to fight this out tooth and nail because he is so used to getting what he wants and people believing what he says. Whether or not it is in truth or not is besides the point, he is used to getting his way. Any questions?

Skip: well isn't this an election year?

Tia: yes, not for him though, it's just midterm elections for the Senate and the House.

Skip: oh, is it 2000 when it's an election year for him?

Tia: uh-huh and he won't get reelected because he can't run.

Skip: well it isn't that far away.

Tia: no exactly.

Skip: and I don't think in my personal opinion, I don't think they'll start impeachment proceedings because he's only got a year and five months to go.

Tia: that's right.

Skip: so I don't think they'll impeach him my darling, I really don't, I don't even think they'll even start the proceedings because it takes longer than that.

Tia: that's my point exactly. You see the thing is that everything has been done deliberately delay, delay, delay, delay.

Skip: they're still delaying.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: and if it runs what, two months into three months, four months, six months? They ain't going to start impeachment proceedings, it would cost too much money.

Tia: that's right. If they were to impeach him they would have to have a majority, a single majority, that's just one more person over the 50% to start the process, they would have to have 51% to start the process.

Skip: yeah.

Tia: they can do that right now if they wanted.

Skip: yeah they could.

Tia: uh-huh, why haven't they?

Skip: money.

Tia: no, the fact that the longer this drags out, the better the Republicans look. It's all politically oriented. I personally don't like him because he's lied, he's cheated, he's manipulated, he's conspired, conspiracy. By looking at the talking points, a lot of this is in legalese terms. Now, Linda Tripp under oath has said that she did not supply Lewinsky with any advice on how to proceed, she just recorded. Some of her talking points and talking points are a legal term, some of her talking points......Monica Lewinsky's, are written purely in legalese jargon. She doesn't know that much law to be able to write in legalese jargon.

Skip: yeah, I can believe that.

Tia: now if...

Skip: because she's just a secretary, she's not a.....

Tia: she was just an intern.

Skip: yeah.

Tia: if the president talked with her and suggested, that's obstruction......

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: but it's a gray area of obstruction.

Russ: not really, because of the fact that she's going to testify that he told her........or they discussed how to cover up the fact that they had had sex.

Tia: uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, that is clear conspiracy and I think he's smart enough to know that.

Russ: hmmm.

Tia: how he would go about it would be giving hints on other cases on how to avoid the issue. Avoiding the issue can be done many, many different ways on explaining how to avoid the issue. So even though he is not telling her directly to lie, he he is telling her indirectly how to avoid an issue. There's the words right there, how to avoid the issue. That is not lying, that is changing the subject, that is sidestepping, that is avoiding the issue. That is not lying, that is not perjury but it is still manipulation and obstruction.

Skip: yeah but like you said honey, it's a very gray area and how do you prove something like that?

Tia: exactly.

Skip: it's so, so difficult, it'd be almost impossible to prove something like that.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well, you couldn't prove it only because it's her word against his. She's got a case of blanket immunity against prosecution.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and so it doesn't hurt her to say anything she wants to say.

Skip: to a point.

Tia: she cannot lie.

Skip: that's perjury, she won't get immunity from perjury.

Tia: that's right. If she's lies with immunity right? The immunity is revoked if they think she is lying.

Russ: they think she's lying or proves she's lying?

Skip: proves she's lying.

Tia: prove or even think.......

Skip: no, they can't pull it on a thought.

Tia: well if there is the evidence that she is not being truthful, even if she is being truthful and it appears that she is not, then they can revoke it. So for her, she has to be as honest as possible.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: you see the problem?

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: hmmm.

Skip: yeah.

Tia: now if they get the correct information, how do they proceed? Do they request an impeachment hearing? No, I don't think so toward what I mentioned earlier.

Skip: sidestep the issue.

Tia: well what they do is they wait until he's out of office and then slap him with three felony charges. Oh dear, he goes away for life. I don't think they will do that.

Skip: no, they ain't even going to do that.

Tia: they will definitely if the outcome is negative, they will definitely, definitely go ahead and press charges. Maybe one, maybe two offenses. His ability to ever hold office ever again in any capacity is revoked.

Skip: down the drain.

Russ: he would be pardoned and by whoever the sitting president is.

Tia: maybe, maybe not, depends on how it serves them. If, let us say it is Al Gore and he pardons him, it looks bad for him.

Russ: well it's like Ford.

Tia: uh-huh, did Ford get reelected?

Skip: nope. Well look at the present administration.

Tia: it is even more corrupt than the Nixon administration.

Skip: I think that's why I don't get involved in it because it's just so much garbage.

Tia: actually it's very entertaining picking all the threads and pulling and watching.

Skip: yeah but it's still garbage.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: I can go outside and dig in my garbage cans and get better stuff than what's in politics.

Tia: uh-huh but it's entertaining to watch what is actually said in these hearings and what is reported to be said.

Skip: well you're an unprejudiced observer also.

Tia: umm, I've got to admit that I am prejudiced, I do not like Bill Clinton.

Skip: well yeah but you're not involved in it.........

Tia: no.

Skip: per se like we are.

Tia: no true, true.

Skip: okay? That's why I say you're an uninterested observer.

Tia: that's right. Actually I find it very, very fascinating. Okay, any questions?

Skip: not in politics.

Russ: I haven't any.

Tia: huh?

Skip: what do you got going?

Russ: oh we got Leonedies coming out in a little while.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: oh the short one huh?

Russ: he's pretty short.

Tia: yeah, it's nice to actually be one of the tallest people when all the children are around.

(Skip laughs)

Skip: oh golly.

Tia: oh we found out what was up, what was wrong with Minerva's upset stomach.

(one of Tia and Mark's children, "the Cubs", whose ancestry is based on the feline genome like their mother)

Skip: oh yeah?

Tia: uh-huh. She got given a gift by one of the cats. One of the cats brought her a mouse, dead mouse.

Skip: oh no.

Tia: uh-huh. Instead of cleaning it properly, she just gutted it, took off most of its fur, most of its fur, took off its head and chowed it down which is okay but she forgot to wash the claws.

Skip: oh golly.

Tia: so she got an upset stomach, she's better now.

Skip: she's better okay?

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: all right.

Tia: yep.

Russ: that's good to hear.

Tia: uh-huh and she got a lesson on preparing food properly. But it was a gift that she accepted and instead of doing the proper thing of washing and cleaning and saving it for later on, she thought it would make a nice snack.

Skip: it did.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: but it upset her stomach too.

Tia: yeah. Put it this way, she was going through the eye of a needle. When she wasn't upchucking, she was going through the eye of a needle.

Skip: oh boy.

Tia: uh-huh. Giving her lots to drink to keep the electrolytes and everything up.

Skip: poor baby.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: that is a drag.

Tia: uh-huh. But her sisters learned from it.

Skip: yeah, I'll bet you all of them did.

Tia: oh yeah. A question tonight at the dinner table was, "is everything washed?"

(Skip laughs)

Tia: "is everything sterile?"

Skip: I'll bet.

Tia: uh-huh. Okay, I better put on our guest speaker.

Russ: all righty.

Skip: go ahead.

(Leonedies adds his knowledge to the session)

Leonedies: greetings and felicitations and welcome. Greetings Skip, greetings Russ and why was she giggling at me? I don't know. Okay, let me start by saying that it is an honor and a pleasure to be able to communicate through the medium of the Internet to relay the information necessary for the spiritual growth and understanding of your planet. My participation in the past and the present is all calculated to be able to achieve a harmonic uplifting on the spiritual level to achieve an ascending advancement for all parties involved. The challenge that I gave at the start of this dissertation, you will insert it at the top, is part of the necessary teaching tools that have been laid out. Even though my part in this discussion is purely as an adviser and an observer, it is necessary for me from time to time to intervene to be able to facilitate and expedite the dialogue necessary for the communication. In achieving the groundwork setup for these dialogues to be able to increase the vibrational frequency of all beings involved in these discussions, it is necessary to motivate. If I was to sit and just be an independent, unbiased observer, then my time involved would expire before the necessary levels and achievements had been set forth. In intervening and in your terminology, a swift kick in the heiny, is to speed up and put back on course these talks that I so dearly would like to see happen in my period involved however, if it is not to happen within my time that I have chosen to be involved, I will leave behind the necessary groundwork and framework for it to continue. Questions.

Russ: in the groundwork that has been laid to this point, how much more of it do we have left to go?

Leonedies: quite a lot, this is just the beginning. The beginning starts with but a single breath, you inhale, it is started. Much has already been done. Much, much more remains to be done. Question.

Russ: okay, well the time schedule is looking much better now.
Leonedies: uh-huh.

Russ: things are clicking in as far as schedules and being able to find the time necessary to do so and the implementation of it now is that we need to work out a schedule I think that we can maintain. Say for example, we need to accomplish this by this date, that by that date and we need to work out an outline I think of where we'd like to be and if not, we can kind of see where we are and how to improve it.

Leonedies: setting deadlines and dates is not appropriate for this kind of discussion due to the fact that by setting a deadline, and if the deadline is not met due to circumstances beyond your control, then you look bad. If we put approximate deadlines, let us say that the first group should be assembled within a year, first group to start the preliminary discussions on what will be discussed at the discussions for the talks on the setup and the language, then that is acceptable. What I was saying, instead of a year, is a year to a year and a half for the first core group to form to be able to get ready to talk and discuss what will be discussed at the discussions prior to the main talks.

Russ: okay, well would you like to work with me and Karra and any other interested individuals about setting up approximate schedules or we should just leave it up to....?

Leonedies: I will lay down the groundwork, I will talk with Mme. ambassador and yourself and the host and we will lay out the groundwork necessary for a timeline. All times will be approximate.

Russ: of course.

Leonedies: good. I will try to schedule time in between my learning times and my nap nap times.

Russ: okay, that'll work. Mostly we will be able to get an idea of, like a good idea of by doing this.......setting up a procedures that will assist us going into the talks more.

Leonedies: procedure is an inaccurate word, protocols.

Russ: protocols, organization...........we need to organize a little bit better......

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Russ: the time spent and that the things that are done within that time to make it more productive or productive as far as achievements or effort put out toward achievement.

Leonedies: is the term we as in you and myself or we as in a basic overall outlook?

Russ: basic overall outlook.

Leonedies: okay, that is something that you're going to have to be careful about. By saying we, you're implying yourself, you're implying Skip, you are implying the host, you're implying us up here and myself. So that is part of the language that you have to learn to understand.

Russ: right, okay.

Leonedies: let me give you a quick coaching lesson in communicating in a political or a politically motivated environment. I will make a statement. It is necessary for parties involved to lay a, let me restart. It is necessary for the host organization that is hosting these upcoming discussions to lay out a framework which is appropriate for all parties if permissible. You see I have substituted a few key words, we meaning everybody, the host hosting has been substituted.

Russ: there is no host.

Leonedies: there is a host.

Russ: oh, there is a host?

Leonedies: yes, your planet is hosting it......

Russ: ahh.

Leonedies: through its medium of the Internet. See, it is worded very carefully.

Russ: uh-huh.

Leonedies: you have to think about what is said, you do not assume what is said is what is meant.

Russ: okay.

Leonedies: your intestinal track is bubbling.

Skip: yeah, I filled up.

Leonedies: ahhh. Question.

Russ: by the world hosting itself, we're dealing with all the groups involved with the world.

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Russ: now many other worlds besides this as we've talked before will be affected by these talks.

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Russ: at a later point will they be able to be involved in the talks with ours?

Leonedies: well that is the general idea that they will be involved from the get-go. You see the reason why you were selected to be the hosting planet is due to the fact that most of the races that are beings involved in these discussions are involved in your planet one way or another. So therefore it is the ideal meeting ground right in the middle of the involvement area. It would be no good hosting a debate or a discussion on let us say Sirius because that is away from the center of the problem. By addressing it at the center of the problem and having everybody aware of what is going on with all their monitoring equipment, with all their technology, seeing what each party does, may be able to facilitate and speed up the process instead of being as far away as possible in a sterile, neutral environment where it is not seeing what is going on by one party whilst the other party is still doing what it is doing whilst the discussions are going on. So it is important to host it at the location and source of the problem, you understand?

Russ: uh-huh.

Leonedies: okay, question.

Russ: okay, it has been theorized in some of our mass media and among some of the more imaginative groups that discussions between our planet and other races have already been taking place and been going on for many years. How would these talks were this to be true affect those?

Leonedies: not at all.

Russ: okay.

Leo in fact they would augment them.

Russ: ahhh, excellent. Okay.....

Leonedies: question. I see you have none left, okay.

Russ: yeah, none left.

Leonedies: Skip.

Skip: yes?

Leonedies: question?

Skip: no.

Leonedies: no?

Skip: nope.

Leonedies: okay. Did I give you what you wanted?

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Leonedies: okay, now I go off and take my nap nap time.

Russ: okay, thank you Leonedies.

Leonedies: for this purpose, the name will be Daniel.

Russ: yes of course.

(Tia returns to make the transfer between speakers)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Skip: hi darling.

Tia: hey, it's funny how he gets up and you see him get up in his jammies and kind of walks across or crawls across to the center of the futon, sits down, crosses his legs and starts sucking on his thumb. I thought that was funny. Yes? Oh, next speaker.

(Skip laughs)

Skip: you'll get there.

Tia: I hope so, I hope so.

(Tia growls her way out for Omal)

(Omal speaks next from the channeling futon on the base)

Omal: greetings and felicitations. Greetings Russ, greetings Skip, I see we are down to just the two of you tonight.

Skip: yes sir.

Omal: I understand that the young lady is participating in creating finance for herself and the gentleman that was here last week is not here, that is his choice.

Russ: well apparently he'll be here next week theoretically.

Omal: theoretically. Okay, let us go over Tia's political points. This is a discussion that she has been having on the ongoing developments. All Tia's comments are relevant and useful. Her opinions need to be emphasized that they are her opinions. Some of them I agree with, some of them I have no comment but it is important to remember and to emphasize that they are her opinions. Her ability to understand and size up a situation is very talented. The discussion that we had about the Defcons, she worded that very well and avoided a lot of the issues. Maybe Tia should have given pointers to Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton. Okay, let me add on to Leonedies' dissertation by saying that it is necessary for the spiritual growth of your planet to be able to host these discussions. In hosting these discussions, it aids in the growth of the learning process not only of your species and other species but in species that are just participating by observing. And in the learning process, there is understanding of the growth that is growing within all life forms that participate in the levels that your planet has been through. Ascension is part of the growth process in all species. Whether or not that happens in the near future or in the far distant future is irrelevant. The main important thing to remember that growth is happening. Whether or not it is slow is a moot point. The understanding that growth is part of the natural development is something that people on your level tend to lose sight of when they are involved in their daily lives but all species as a group know that growth is a constant factor. Questions and answers.

Skip: okay, I got one question. In the last decade or maybe a little more, is this why people have become....where more and more people.......where a lot of people was to begin with......more people have become aware of the spiritual awakening as some people put it?

Omal: yes.

Skip: okay.

Omal: it is part of the development of all beings that they realize as a group that they are growing and the growth that happens is a natural outcome of this realization. It in essence speeds up the growth process.

Skip: okay.

Omal: continue, it sounded as if you weren't quite finished with your question.

skip: no, no, it's just fine. That's why they call it seeing the light or whatever but....

Omal: ahhh.

Skip: more and more people becoming involved in it and more people becoming aware that we're not the only beings in the universe.

Omal: I think it was stated by one of your popular scientist authors that to assume that you are the only species is not only shortsighted but arrogant.

Skip: and very vain.

Omal: and very vain. To see things as you are the pinnacle, you are the top, there is no better, you are the only is obviously very wrong. Lifeforms take on many different shapes as we discussed last week.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: Karra mentioned that there were a considerable number of different races in different appearances, different incarnations. She deliberately avoided giving the races various names. I think Karra handled that very well.

Skip: I think that was very wise.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: the fact that security at your end was very, very lax is in this case a benefit but it is necessary to remember that security, so that we do not have problems that we had in the past, is maintained. It is necessary to screen guests very carefully.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: we do not want repeat performances of what happened in the past. I think you are all of aware of what happened just over 14 months ago.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: okay, more questions please.

Skip: Russ?

Russ: okay, in working on this outline that we're talking about.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: a timeline let's say, he gave a nice example of an estimated goal within a year, year and a half of having the first group ready.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, to do so, there are couple of different things that need to be done that would facilitate that.

Omal: that is correct.

Russ: so what we should do is set up a few minor goals or things preliminary goals perhaps that would........something we can set as benchmarks that we could say this is a point that we wanted to reach and.....

Omal: I think Leonedies laid down the framework for you to do that in how he worded the goal for a year to a year and a half. He said all times are approximate.

Russ: right?

Omal: if you were to follow his example, then you will be able to work out particular goals. His idea of having a group ready in a year to a year and a half is a subjective point from his point of view.

Russ: right.

Omal: what you might want to do and it is not for me to interfere, I'm trying to go with what Leonedies said, is to set yourself minor goals as you stated. Maybe by e-mailing various individuals and groups and hopefully being able setup a little discussion on when you are going to start the discussions about the discussions, the discussions on the protocol for the discussions on setting up the criteria for the main talks.

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: I noticed that Leonedies set it up in three levels. A discussion on setting up for the discussions on what will be talked and what will be covered. I think the first setup is a setup for bringing people together and to get them acquainted.

Russ: well something to think about is coming up in the next month or two in I believe it's in the Yucatán, there is a meeting, a conference taking place between quite a few different channels on the planet.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and a lot of it's been coming on email right now a lot of it's Internet organized, I'm wondering what part we could take in at least electronically assisting in maybe getting the ball rolling there?

Omal: I cannot intervene, you will have to come to your own decision on what you wish to do.

Russ: okay, I'll talk it over with the host.

Omal: that would be wise. Next question?

Russ: Skip, no? Okay, world wise with the Defcon coming about and the meetings you had, the talks, how is this going to affect the talks as far as the scheduling goes?

Omal: not at all.

Russ: okay.

Omal: not at all unless you slide into scenario C and then all bets are off.

Russ: oh, okay. That would be a bit of a distraction.

Omal: yes, survival is a distraction.

Russ: okay. Tia didn't touch on this but maybe you could help me with this?

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: scenario C, let's say the impossible happens and they do decide to impeach Clinton and Gore comes into the picture.

Omal: that is scenario B in Tia's updated predictions.

Russ: excellent.

Omal: I cannot go into too much detail as I'm waiting to hear back from Ashtar and Sananda on whether we can proceed with the projections for the next five years. They are still being discussed and debated.

Russ: all right, would it be wise have a release form or a release, a pre-release at least written up in a way that we could then just edit it to the specific general release?

Omal: I do not fully understand what you mean. In implication to what?

Russ: for example, if during the conference you had with Tia concerning alerting to.......

Omal: ah, I understand. You would wish to have something typed up like communiqué blank, due to circumstances involving blank, blank, blank, it is necessary to inform you that we have increased our level of readiness to Defcon blank.

Russ: correct.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: that way at least we have a chance you can go over the language, if it looks good, we can fill in the blanks, make it work right and speed.

Omal: the importance for a pre-release form is the fact that it has to be short, precise and to the point. If it is long-winded, then it will be taking away from the point. So a pre-release form that is written, ready with the blanks to be filled in is something that has to be thought on very carefully.

Russ: okay. Well I'm thinking of the.....we discussed the urgency of the situation were it to happen where there is a bit of a time lag between the information given, information typed up, information given out.

Omal: the way that we have set it up is that you yourselves can declare a Defcon advancement. If you remember, what constitutes an increase to Defcon three?

Russ: well it would be the key points or the key events that are happening at the same time........

Omal: correct which would be?

Russ: which would be a civil disobedience of some kind, a natural disaster of financial, economic implications......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and a drop in the stock market of a 150 points in a single day or by the end the day.

Omal: correct. That is Defcon three.

Russ: right.

Omal: what is Defcon two?

Russ: Defcon two would be a drop in the market of 300 points.

Omal: 250.

Russ: oh sorry. 250 points, two natural disasters going on at the very same time, a civil disobedience in three separate locations.

Omal: correct and let us not go to Defcon one.

Russ: no.

Omal: but that is pretty horrific and one can be skipped over for another depending on what happens.

Russ: right.

Omal: but having that ability, you can decide yourself exactly what a Defcon constitutes an increase in a.......




(Omal finishes up from where he left off)

Omal: you yourselves can make the announcement and the release when it is appropriate. We can countermand by making a release if it is deemed that your decision was inaccurate and erroneous. You do not have all the information that we have access to so by being able to set it up in such a way that a communiqué could be followed by a communiqué canceling the previous communiqué. For example, let us go to a fictitious incident, communiqué number one. Due to the drop in the stock market of a 150 points and the forest fires in, let us say the earthquake in the state of Washington in the Metropolitan area of Seattle and the riots that are currently going on in New York, it is necessary to advise you that we have increased our level of readiness to Defcon three. Defcon three constitutes a warning of imminent problems and you would explain what the problems are. What I suggest is on your page, you have within a "from the desk of Omal", an explanation of this. When you send the email, you send a link incorporated to the appropriate space.

Russ: okay. Karra and I are working on something like this.

Omar yes, I know. Next question and final question.

Russ: all right, the talks themselves are ready in their form to begin. The timing is going to be a part of our progression into learning. It's all perfect, correct?

Omal: that is correct.

Russ: thank you.

Omal: live long, prosper, I'll be back.

Skip: thank you Omal.

(Tia returns in a boisterous mood)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn and then starts humming)

Russ: it's always tough to see how the perfection of the moment is self-evident.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: though we all agree to it, it's not something you can just say......

Skip: no.

Russ: but it's nice to hear it from someone who knows.

Skip: yeah.

(we hear a spanking sound)

Tia: spank me.

Skip: what's the matter baby?

Tia: oh, I'm just in a playful mood.

Skip: oh, okay.

Tia: uh-huh. Okay, I suppose I better put on the next speaker.

Russ: okay.

(Karra brings some semblance of decorum)

Karra: hello.

Russ: hi love.

Karra: hello Skip.

Skip: how you doing dear?

Karra: hey, how's it going?

Skip: good, I think.

Karra: that's good and how you doing hon?

Russ: good sweetheart, a little bushed you know.

Karra: yes, I know, I know.

Skip: Russ, engineer or healer?

Russ: healer.

Karra: healer.

Skip: okay.

Karra: I speak in a soft and soothing tone. Okay, first of all an announcement. Not this coming week but the following week I will be unavailable for channeling session due to the fact that I am going to Sirius for a week to attend a couple of meetings and a formal function.

Russ: that should be fun.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: sounds like a challenge.

Karra: yes it will be entertaining. Actually I'm looking forward to the formal function, I get an opportunity to dress up and be.......

Skip: beautiful, beautiful.

Karra: thank you.

Russ: David and Michael going?

(our two twin sons)

Karra: of course and Klarra.

Russ: get to see their home planet.

Karra: uh-huh. Also little sis will be coming as well.

Russ: oh really?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: it'll be kind of a dull channeling session.

Skip: sweetheart, I got a question for you.

Karra: yes.

Skip: I have the natural ability of taking people's pain away.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: I have come to the conclusion or through experience........

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: have learned that I don't have to ground myself afterwards.

Karra: you can ground yourself whilst doing it or you can do it naturally without being aware of it.

Skip: well maybe I'm doing it naturally because I'm taking people's pain away okay?

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: but I don't absorb it like I used to.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: at one time I was absorbing their pain to where I would start getting sick.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: I don't do that anymore.

Karra: so you figured out that you have get rid of it immediately as you are doing it correct?

Skip: evidently and not being aware of it.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: okay?

Karra: well I think you are aware of that you're doing it by the stance that you take with your legs slightly apart and your hands out and as you pull it in, it washes out.

Skip: okay, all right. I'm also going to a spiritual, physical healer.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: a lady that's taken a course in this from another lady that says she can do all this. I've never met the lady so I don't know whether she's true or not true but this graduate from her university, her college course or however you want to say it seems to be doing me a lot of good. I feel like I'm more balanced and more satisfied with myself and what I'm doing.

Karra: that's why I thought it was appropriate to give you that piece of information.

Skip: because even when this lady that I go to was working on me, I built my own energy.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: my little lightbulb running through me.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: I built my own energy so that it would help and it is.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: but I'm using her strength too to help me do my own thing.

Karra: that's correct. See, even a healer needs a healer from time to time.

Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.

Karra: and by discussing the problems and setting the channels and observing what she does, helps you to subconsciously facilitate your own healing.

Skip: uh-huh, it does, it really did. Now she's told me that I should quit healing, I said "no I can't do that." She says "well you're taking away the energy from people but you're not solving the problem." I said "yeah, I solve the problem too."

Karra: you see, part of solving the problem is discussing the problem.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: by suggesting alternatives.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: for example, your daughter, she gets headaches and nauseated when she smokes.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: she's allergic to nicotine.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: so the solution is she quits smoking.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: which I don't think she has, has she? She tries.

Skip: this is kind of a back and forth situation darling.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: she'll quit for a while and then she'll start again and then she'll quit for a while but she found out that chocolate brings them headaches on too and if she drinks coffee, it stops them.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: so the caffeine has a counteractive thing in it against the chocolate and against the nicotine I guess.

Karra: well, chocolate has nicotine, not nicotine, caffeine in it.

Skip: caffeine in it right.

Karra: so there's got to be something more in the chocolate.

Skip: just the caffeine is killing the headaches for her.

Karra: uh-huh because with chocolate, it has the caffeine in it but is also creating the headache.

Skip: its got other in it besides caffeine in chocolate, there's something else in chocolate besides caffeine.

Karra: that's also in nicotine or in the cigarette. I don't think it is the nicotine, I think it is the chemicals added the cigarettes.

Skip: glycerin.

Karra: hmm...could be.

Skip: because all tobacco in tailor-made cigarettes has got glycerin in them so they won't go out. The tobacco's treated with glycerin.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: it's not detrimental to your health.

Karra: isn't that also in chocolate?

Skip: glycerin, let me think, I worked for Hershey Chocolate....hmmm. There's milk...

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: condensed down so thick that it looks like taffy. Chocolate's ground for 72 hours and then pressed to take all the oil out of it and then it's broken up and powdered out and sugar, milk, trying to think........there is a preservative added to it also.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: now that could have the glycerin in it, the preservative.

Karra: well it might not just be the glycerin.

Skip: well you know a combination is what I was trying to think of.

Karra: yeah, something that acts like glycerin or it could be something like saltpeter which is also in cigarettes.

Skip: okay, tobacco had glycerin, tobacco and the paper is carbon when it's burned.

Karra: well it doesn't matter.

Skip: I'd have to research it a little bit more but I just can't just call all of it offhand okay?

Karra: I understand. But you see, by pointing out what is causing the headaches......

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: is part of the cure.

Skip: yeah because all chocolate's got the same thing in it......

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: and it doesn't seem to.........well maybe she's going to extremes with her chocolate because she is a chocoholic. I got to giggle but it's true.

Karra: how much chocolate does she eat in a day?

Skip: she's gotten away from it but she used to eat oh probably half a pound of chocolate a day.

Karra: that might do it. Here's an interesting little side note.

Skip: go ahead.

Karra: if your daughter wanted to get a buzz going as I think you would call it........

Skip: yeah, go ahead.

Karra: just let her eat five pounds of chocolate, it has the same effect as smoking of your hand rolled, herbal cigarettes of the recreational type.

Skip: oh, yeah, the wacky tobaccee?

Karra uh-huh, marijuana.

Skip: yeah, that's what we call it is wacky tobaccee.

Karra: uh-huh. Five pounds of chocolate will have the same effect as one joint.

Russ: wow.

Skip: well yeah, because isn't there cocoa in chocolate? Isn't there....yeah, coke's in chocolate.

Russ: yeah but it's been processed mostly out though.

Skip: yeah but it's still got a residue in there.

Russ: a little bit.

Karra: oh it's very, very, very minute.

Skip: years ago, it had heavy coke in it.

Russ: Coca-Cola did.

Skip: yeah, Coca-Cola was real bad for that. Anyhow, thank you.

Karra: no problem at all.

Skip: I appreciate the little tidbit that you gave me too.

Karra: yes okay, I have to depart.

Skip: thank you.

Russ: bye bye Karra.

Karra: okay, catch later Skip.

Skip: yep.

Karra: see later hon, missing you.

Russ: I'll miss you too babe.

Karra: no, missing you.

Skip: oh Russ, which one is the engineer?

Russ: Kiri.

Skip: Kiri? Okay, because I've got to ask her a question.

(Tia transitions between sisters)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: hey.

Skip: hi sweetie.

Tia: hey, how's it going?

Skip: well, we're getting some answers to things.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: getting answers to our questions, let's put it that way.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: Tia, I got a slight problem, I need to go crash out for a while. I can't stay for Kiri and the rest of this.

Tia: well Kiri's about to come on anyway.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay and besides, it's getting close to the end of the tape.

Russ: yeah, I'm dragging here.

Skip: I noticed you are, yeah. Kiri's the engineer? Okay.

(Kiri starts by explaining Tia's nickname)

Russ: hey hon.

Kiri: yo.

Skip: hello darlin'.

Kiri: okay, explanation. Tia's boisterousness is fluffy. When Tia is boisterous, she is fluffy.

(Skip laughs)

Skip: okay baby.

Kiri: because the tips of her hair start to stand up.

Skip: okay darlin'.

Kiri: it goes like a cat gets fluffy when it's all playful, Tia gets a little bit fluffy on her hair when she's playful so she becomes fluffy!!!

Skip: okay darlin'. I got a question to ask you.

Kiri: uh-huh no, I'm not going to tell you how to build a warp core engine and don't ask my sister.

Skip: okay no, nevermind. No, no, no this is, I ain't going to do that to you. You and I were friends.....

(in a previous past life together)

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: okay. Was I ever in combat when me and you were friends?

Kiri: indirectly, yes.

Skip: no hand-to-hand bit?

Kiri: not that I'm aware of however I was not always around when you were off doing your engineering thing.

Skip: okay all right.

Kiri: all's I was was a just regular ship's engineer.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: I can't tell you more on what you did.

Skip: no problem, I just thought maybe you might be able to enlighten me on a couple of things that's happened to me down here.

Kiri: all's I can tell you is there are times in that past life where you weren't in and then you would reappear and then you would disappear and then reappear.

Skip: okay, all right all right. All right because the lady said she took a bit of metal out of my ribs that looked like the end of the battle ax and she also took three chunks of steel out of my left shoulder that looked like part of a sword.

(etheric healing)

Kiri: uh-huh. But then.....

Skip: from previous times.

Kiri: yeah but then shards of metal can look like that from engines and so on.......

Skip: true, true.

Kiri: if you don't know what you're looking at.

Skip: well true enough, it could have been from the explosion too.

Kiri: what explosion?

Skip: I don't know darling, I don't know what you're talking about.

Kiri: uh-huh. You remember that we said that your past lives would come to you in bits and pieces.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh, things like that.

Skip: well you told me it was my fault.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: but I was still there.

Kiri: uh-huh, all's that I know is from what I heard, it's part of the knowing......

Skip: I was there.

Kiri: uh-huh, but where is there?

Skip: right in the middle of it from what I can comprehend or real close to the middle of it.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: but that's.....let it go now.

Kiri: I was about to say, I could start pushing but it wouldn't be appropriate for me to do that.

Skip: no, no, no don't do that. I just thought maybe that you could enlighten me on this other and evidently it's....I picked it up from that last bit.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: okay?

Kiri: uh-huh, you're reading into it and it's triggering things which is good. Okay, got a quick question for sleepyhead. Let me see, what would be a good nickname, alfalfa.

Russ: (groans) what?

Kiri: what was that technical problem that you were working on?

Russ: which one?

Kiri: you were......according to big sis, who's going to get hit with a watermelon if she's not careful, you got a little frustrated trying to explain a technical problem with I think it was a hardware problem?

Russ: technical problem with a hardware problem?

Kiri: she wasn't too clear on it, she got frustrated with you for getting frustrated and when she does that she leaks on her I-mode which I can pick up on.

Russ: oh no, there was a part where one of the workers there left a video card out of the computer I had to take back.......

(from a local computer store we had shopped out the work)

Russ: I had to go back and get the video card and put that in.

Kiri: that could of been it.

Russ: that's probably it. It's the only bit of hardware I've been working on lately.

Kiri: uh-huh, yeah she got frustrated with you getting frustrated and knowing better.

Russ: no, I just look like stupid fool.

Kiri: well, the joys of being a boss.

Russ: oh yeah.

Skip: or a businessman.

Kiri: oh yes, I know all about business, I know all about supply and demand.

Skip: I'm going to try to start another business.

Kiri: oh cool.

Skip: yeah, security for people's homes.

Kiri: security, security, isn't that what Mark does?

Skip: Mark does personal people security.

Kiri: oh.

Skip: okay? What I'm looking at is mechanical or technical security for people's homes when they're away.

Kiri: ahhh.

Skip: okay?

Kiri: kind of like a defense field?

Skip: yeah, more or less yes. Yeah, it would be in your dimension yes definitely.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: in our dimension we don't have that particular capability so we have to secure the doors, windows and whatever we can secure.

Kiri: talking of defense, our semi-resident oath keeper will be here next week.

Skip: who now?

Kiri: the semi-resident captain of the oath keepers.

Skip: Lyka!

Kiri: yes.

Skip: oh well good, I'd love to talk to her again.

Kiri: the defense force, uh-huh.

Skip: she's a sweetheart.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I don't know how much she's changed since she became captain but.....

Kiri: what do you think Russ?

Russ: not that much.

Skip: oh, okay all right. I'd love to talk to her again.

Kiri: I think she's little more softer spoken and doesn't rush into things.

Skip: well responsibility does that to you.

Kiri: it's been such a long time since I've been irresponsible.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: don't smirk Russ, it doesn't become you.

Russ: oh I'm not.

Skip: we're all that way at one time or another though.

Kiri: uh-huh but my life doesn't count on me being serious all the time.

Skip: well neither does mine.

Kiri: no and I think.....

Skip: and guess what darling? I retired today.

Kiri: congratulations.

Skip: thank you baby.

Kiri: (sings) congratulations, concelebrations.

Skip: got retired today. No what I had done is I retired from a full-time, steady job........

Kiri: ahhh.

Skip: now I'm going to go in business for myself.

Kiri: isn't that a contradiction?

Skip: no, I'm not working for somebody else, I'm working for me.

Kiri: what I mean is, if you're retired, you're not meant to work but going into business for yourself means that you're going to work harder and more hours than you did before.

Skip: no, not really because I'm going to do this at my speed, not at somebody telling me I have to be at work at 6 o'clock in the morning and you can't go home until 4:30 at night, okay?

Kiri: Beanpole, go to bed.

Russ: I am going to bed.

Skip: all right. Good night Russ, we'll see you tomorrow.

Kiri: how easy to coerce and manipulate.

Skip: you got it, especially when he feels like that.

Kiri: especially in that state.

Skip: yeah but darling, no this security thing is, I'm going to try to give people what they need to secure their homes......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: on a free evaluation.

Kiri: well that's a good idea.

Skip: and then if they want me to install the locks and so on and so forth and furnish the equipment, naturally I'm going to charge them by the hour plus material.

Kiri: oh of course.

Skip: and if it gets to the point where somebody wants an alarm system installed.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: the new technology that's come up here just last couple of years, you don't have to wire people's homes anymore.

Kiri: no.

Skip: they got little boxes that fasten on the windows and the doors and so on and so forth and you got a central alarm system and they're all radio transmitted.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: so you don't have to install wiring so the kind of work that I'm looking at or business per se......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: is going to be a very laid back thing.

Kiri: yeah now what you can do is, I just had a little idea.

Skip: go ahead.

Kiri: is that if they have a home computer.......

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: and have what is a infrared linking system, you could probably put software and programming inside the computer that can be activated by a touch panel outside let's say a simple combination switches it off, a simple combination switches it on so that when they come to the house they type in their combination, it goes to the computer and it switches it off.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: when they leave, they do the same thing and it switches on. Now.........

Skip: okay, one question before you go any further, I'm sorry about interrupting you but do you have to leave your computer on all the time to do this?

Kiri: yes.

Skip: okay, all right, that's the question I had. Go ahead.

Kiri: uh-huh, most people do but if an alarm is activated, it sends a message to the computer and the computer dials the police department and informs the police department that there is a break-in going on at a particular location.

Skip: okay now, in that particular instance, do you have say a time lag between the time that the seal is broken and time to call the police department and let them know that there isn't a break-in? In other words, say accidentally..

Kiri: somebody breaks a window accidentally.

Skip: yes, yes, that's right.

Kiri: uh-huh, well if there was a person there at the house, they would be able to type in their passcode in on the main keyboard and that would cancel the alarm.

Skip: oh okay, all right I gotcha, I gotcha but what I was really running through my mind is say okay, I'll use myself for an instance......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: okay I have got this alarm system in my house and I forget about it, unlock the door and walk in.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: is there a time lag between me walking in and being able to punch in on the keyboard?

Kiri: I think that there would be the ability to do that yes.

Skip: I'd say about 30 seconds?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: or maybe a minute at the most?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: yeah, it'd have to be set up like that because a lot of people forget.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: and even the children.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: the kids come in from school, maybe early and mom ain't home and she's punched in the code.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: the kids open the door and walk in. They don't even think about that code, in fact they don't even think about calling it in.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: yeah that'd be the only problem with them about hooking up with the computer. Well it's the same thing with the silent alarm that's hooked to the police station.........

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: you have that same problem.

Kiri: yeah. Yeah and you have probably something like if the person had speakers at their computer, as soon as the alarm was set off after let's say 30 seconds or a minute, or as soon as the door or security is breached, an alarm would go off and say, "warning, warning.."

Skip: yeah, yeah I gotcha, yeah.

Kiri: "alarm system is now activated, you have 30 seconds to deactivate the alarm."

Skip: uh-huh, that would be, that would be appropriate.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: yeah that would even tell the kids.

Kiri: yeah. Something like a speaker right next door.......right next to the door.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: that would say something like that.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: which means that the convict would have 30 seconds to locate the computer and shut it down and find the switch to switch it off.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: I don't think most criminals would be able to do that.

Skip: uh-uh, because they wouldn't know where it would be located in the house.

Kiri: uh-huh. So you see?

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: and if it's not in the living room, it's in an office somewhere.

Skip: it would take them more than 30 seconds to find it.

Kiri: uh-huh, to switch off the computer, even if the key panel is easily accessible right next to the door.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: they would have to go, "okay, where's the computer? Umm, Umm, umm."

Skip: yeah right, you're correct.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: you're correct. Anyhow, alarm systems, I probably won't fool with them because there's so many alarm system companies out there that they can probably do it at a better price than I can.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: you know what I'm saying.

Kiri: oh yeah, probably.

Skip: but the free evaluation, the people can do it themselves or I can do it for them which would be sticks in the back of their sliders.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: plus locks on them so somebody can't pick them up and lift them out.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: because a lot of the sliding glass doors that they designed in this country, the sliding part is on the outside.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: of the door.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: that means you can pick them up and lift them out of the track.

Kiri: yeah. There is a new design that has come out that has the sliding door, I believe it is on the outside and the reason that it's on the outside is because when the wind blows, and if it's on the inside.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: right? The door moves and there's a draft created.

Skip: yes there is.

Kiri: but if it's on the outside.

Skip: yeah it pushes against the other door and it stops the draft.

Kiri: correct.

Skip: but what we can do in that particular instance is drill through the stationary panel.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and stick a deadbolt through it.

Kiri: yeah. Whereas this one I think is put on back to front.

Skip: the slider's on the inside.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: the same as mine are.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: and you can still do that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: you can still drill a hole through the bottom of the door into the stationary panel and put a deadbolt in it.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: that way, nobody can pick the door up.

Kiri: uh-huh, because they could pick the door up here.

Skip: you can pick the door up, even these ones on the inside.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: you can stick a bar underneath of them, pick them up and flip them over the track on the inside of the house and then walk right in.

Kiri: uh-huh. Yes with the alarm system, I mean there's so much software that you could do. The thing would be that if you were........somebody was to say, "I want you to do an alarm", maybe have somebody that you work with that does alarms.

Skip: uh-huh or get myself in contact with an alarm company.

Kiri: uh-huh and they give you a referral fee.

Skip: yes, yes, I could do it that way.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and in fact that might be a good idea, I like that.

Kiri: you're welcome.

Skip: yes, thank you very much.

Kiri: you're very welcome. Okay, looks like the tape's almost over.

Skip: yes it is.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: while we shut this session down, the host is gone, or the semi-host or whatever.

Kiri: one of the....

Skip: residents.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: okay?

Kiri: and the other host is up here.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: and thank you for assisting him with his vehicle problem, I think you might be right.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: I think it might be the timing chain.

Skip: yeah. That's the first thing that crossed my mind, the way it's clicking because if it was a valve.....

Kiri: uh-huh, you would hear it up higher and you would be able to feel it in the casing.

Skip: well, well not only that, but your engine would run rough.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: because that valve would be bad.

Kiri: yeah and that would also be a sucking sound as well.

Skip: yes and if it was a piston.

Kiri: uh-huh, there would be a knocking sound very similar however there would be a clunk at the end of the knock.

Skip: you got it. So, the only other thing that I can come up with is possibly the timing chain has gotten loose enough that it's banging against the case when you rev it up because that throws a loop in your chain when you rev it up.

Kiri: uh-huh but it also continues when the engine's running.

Skip: well true but when it's running at idle speed.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: you're not throwing that loop.

Kiri: yeah. But as the engine's running, the knock, knock, knock is still there I think.

Skip: not at idle.

Kiri: no not at idle but as soon as......

Skip: just at high-speed.

Kiri: yes soon as you.....

Skip: it's just like a tire, a tire's not round when you're running down the road.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: it's got a high spot in it.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: from it throwing. The chain does the same thing it throws a high spot in the chain.

Kiri: of course it does, that's quite correct.

Skip: yeah, throws a high spot in that chain and that high spot's hitting the case.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: well, every time it hits the case, it bangs down and then it comes up and hits again.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: so it's throwing that chain is what it's doing.

Kiri: so the chain is possibly stretched then.

Skip: over the period of time, I don't know how many miles is on that little automobile but probably quite a few but there is a tightener on the inside of the case that can be loosened, pushed up against the chain and make it run tighter. So possibly, from the chain stretching, it's stretched just enough to hit the case and we would tighten it up with the tightener. That may be all's that's wrong with it.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and by it banging the case, it's broke the gasket or maybe the case itself....

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: I might have to put a new case on it.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: but I think that will solve Mark's problem.

Kiri: I do appreciate you assisting.

Skip: yeah no problem.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: that's my stock in trade darling.

Kiri: yeah, assistance.

Skip: uh-huh okay.

Kiri: okay. Let me quickly put on.....

Skip: thank you for the information, I appreciate it.

Kiri: uh-huh. I noticed that Leonedies was sucking on his thumb as well as sucking on Mark's thumb down there whilst he's talking, I thought that was funny.

Skip: yeah, he was.

Kiri: and his choice in words, nap nap.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: even though he's an eighth dimensional being in a sixth dimensional body he can be very young.

Skip: yeah. Immature darling, immature.

Kiri: well not immature, he's very mature for his tender age but I think youthful would be a better word.

Skip: there you go, that'll work. Well thank you again.

Kiri: no problem and thank you.

Skip: and we'll probably see you next week.

Kiri: hopefully.

Skip: yep.

Kiri: and the week after I will not be available.

Skip: yeah, I understand. Bye babe.

(Tia wraps things up)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Skip: hi sweetheart.

Tia: hey.

Skip: well, our other, our other resident kind of goofed out on us.

Tia: I think he's.....

Skip: he was, he was just beat, he had to get to sleep.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: he was just bushed.

Tia: yes, he did look.....his aura was very depressed.

Skip: yeah he was, he was just completely beat out. He's been putting in some long hours.

Tia: oh yes he has. Been making money too.

Skip: yes he is.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: he's doing well.

Tia: okay well I think.......

Skip: yeah it's getting on to that time baby.

Tia: yeah.

Skip: okay?

Tia: it's getting close to 11.

Skip: yeah it's...

Tia: what is the chronometer time?

Skip: let me put my glasses on so I can see it. Yeah it's five till.

Tia: yeah so the tape should be pretty close to being over anyway.

Skip: yes it is.

Tia: okay, let's call it a wrap.

Skip: okay.

Tia: don't worry about shutting it off, let it use up so that it's not dead space.

Skip: okay. But anyhow, thank you for hosting tonight.

Tia: oh thank you.

Skip: I appreciate it.

Tia: well I try to do my best as a ring mistress. Next time I will bring my whip and chair.

Skip: no, please don't do that.

Tia: no that's lion tamers isn't it? Okay, I will wear my big hat, tall hat and my red jacket with the tails and my tight spandex.

Skip: well I'll go for that, that's good looking.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: oh boy.

(Tia says bye in Durondedunn)

(We get to hear Mark's real voice as he returns from the base)

Mark: I think one of my smoother landings (yawns). I think I'm getting better at my landings.

Skip: you think you are huh, you're not skidding in so bad?

Mark: I just had enough time to watch a shooting star. God, I guess Russ took into account.

Skip: yeah he just, he just, poor baby. He was just laying here, he just couldn't keep his eyes open anymore.

Mark: oh was......were they being that boring?

(joking as only Mark can)

Skip: no, uh-huh, it was just that he was that tired.

Mark: oh really?

Skip: yeah, he was just, he was just pooped.

Mark: yeah.

Skip: he's, he's just totaled because he's been putting in some god-awful hours.

Mark: oh God yeah he has. Kind of worries me a little bit but....

Skip: well now he's not working two jobs now, he's only working one.

Mark: yeah.

Skip: so.....he's......I think, now this is just my personal opinion, but I think that his tiredness is just by being awake so long.

Mark: yeah.

Skip: because he's enjoying what he's doing.

Mark: oh yeah.

Skip: and by enjoying your job, it doesn't seem like a job.

Mark: no, no.

Skip: you know what I'm talking about Mark.

Mark: oh yeah, yeah.

Skip: because that's why I've stayed in maintenance all my life because I've always enjoyed the challenge.

Mark: yeah, I'm going to go and grab my cigarettes.

Skip: oh golly, we can get up out of here.

Mark: okay. Oh, here they are.

Skip: oh, okay.

Mark: we can head up the stairs.

Skip: yeah. Getting a little stiff sitting still so long.

Mark: yeah.

Skip: that's not my cup of tea is it?

(the door closes as both walk out)


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