6th to 3rd, DIMENSIONAL DIFFERENCES 08/12/97

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Archivist notes: This tape was picked out at random as are most of the ones chosen for the podcasts but on review, there is no such thing as random anything. It is full of laughter and tears, beginnings and endings. We get to meet Huna/Bunny for the first time which made for a very funny and memorable meeting.

   To bring listeners up to speed, Sarah was a young woman on Earth who was abducted by the Zeta Reticuli who performed some experiments that took a horrible toll on her body. The ship she was on was intercepted by Ashtar Command who rescued her and brought her back to the base to be healed. The damage to her body was too great and the time left for her to live was limited. Near the end of that time she was taken to Sirius to spend time in hospice with Kiri and Karra's grandmother who lived as a nun in a monastery high up in the mountains.

    The monastery was normally accessible only by hiking in and using a local pack animal called a mal due to the the rules of the monastery. Special dispensation had been granted to Sarah who had been flown in. Kiri was visiting her for the last time and conveyed her final words to the group of us on the base who knew her the best.

TIA- Mistress of Ceremonies MARK (Channel)
OMAL RUSS (Archivist)



2.)(6:10)- We get to meet Huna/Bunny for the first time with hilarious results.

3.)(15:47)- Kiri returns from a trip to visit Sarah for the last time and provides a fascinating travelogue of the trip.

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(Tia comes on to start the night off)

Tia: well.

Russ: good.

Tia: super duper, duper, duper, duper.

Russ: everyone's home.

Tia: yes, everyone's home. Okay tonight, guest speakers are.......I'll let her introduce herself. She wants to introduce herself. Okay now let me briefly skip through a few items so that we get nice and freshly underway. Let me see, okay, stock market today dropped a hundred and one points on the Dow. What's going on at the moment with the drops and it's dropped below 8,000 is profit taking. People are pulling out and taking profit of the money that they've made just recently. Now it is worth watching to see what transpires at this point. Okay, that's the stock market out of the way......UPS strike, how is it affecting the United States economy? Well at the moment it's not affecting it too much but if this strike continues, it's going to destroy one of the largest organizations for transporting goods. What is happening? Well it seems to be a fight over union controlling the pension plan and the company controlling the pension plan.

Russ: in other words, retirement K something or.......

Tia: 401(k) plan.

Russ: yeah 401(k)?

Tia: yes, correct.

Russ: because the company's using it to make investments and make money on?

Tia: correct.

Russ: typical business strategy.

Tia: uh-huh and a very sound and good one. The unions want to be able to control it which is a bad move.

Russ: yeah, they want to make the money.

Tia: no, they have no idea on how to make the money. Well they do but they're not prepared to take the necessary risks to do so. In the long run it benefits the employees that the company keeps control because for a company to be successful, it has to be good with business. For a union to be successful, it doesn't have anything to do with business at all. So it is more along the lines of the union wants to control it to have control of the profits for the union i.e., the high officials in the union to have a much more bigger salary, bigger income.

Russ: well they probably heard the bad media about companies that use the 401(k) to invest, lose the investment and lose the retirement plans of their employees.

Tia: who's giving this dissertation?

Russ: oh, sorry.

Tia: thank you. I'm asking rhetorical questions........

Russ: oh.

Tia: that don't need a answer. So the unions want control of the 401 retirement (k) plan. The company wants to keep it. Who is better suited to control it? Obviously ergo the business. By......stop snickering. So what is going on? Well the thing about they want more people to go full-time. Yes that is a good idea in essence. Let us take a theoretical number. Let us say you have a staff of 50,000 in the company, that's management, supervisors and regular full-time and part-time employees. Out of that 50,000, 25,000 are part-time. Let's say you want to increase the number of full-time positions. Now there's two ways to do this. One is to go out and drum up more business and two is to cut the staff of part-timers so that the other part-timers that are left, let's say you cut fifty percent of the part-timers right? So that would be 12,500 employees that would go full-time. The other 12,500, what happens to them? If the business isn't growing but is staying the same and making a profit, those 12,500 are useless. In actual fact they start to make the company lose money. So for a company to maintain its profitability you have to get rid of that 12,500. What has been achieved at this? Well by doing this you have downsized the company but you have not made any substantial gains, you are staying the same. You're being competitive but those 12,500 people that are now unemployed, who's responsible for that? The unions are responsible because they wanted more full-time positions so ergo that is a moot point. You want more people to work full-time, well you have to lose some of your part-time people to give those other part-time people full-time status. Why do that? Well, it makes people feel good, they're now full-time. Why are the unions trying to make those people full-time? They obviously do not understand the ramifications of doing that. Okay let us move along now to something a little bit more lively and enjoyable. Reports recently of 14 to 18-year-olds state that they are more interested, not in making money, but in high morals or higher morals. But the questions were asked and worded in such a way as, "which do you think is better?" Not, "what do you feel is better?" but, "which do you think is better?" Asking questions like this is designed as more of a feel-good exercise, it achieves nothing. Okay let us look at the recent welfare reforms. Well apparently when the bill was signed last year, 1.5 million people went off of welfare. What happened to these people? The government is not too clear on that, in fact they decidedly avoided the issue on what happened to them. If they went off welfare, how many of them actually went into the workforce. And, if you look at the figures and the way it's set up, how many of those are receiving things like food stamps, put into low-rent that is subsidized by the government and so on? So even though 1.5 million people have disappeared off unemployment, they're still being supported and subsidized by the government. Ergo still supported and subsidized by taxpaying people. Okay, now let us get down to questions.

Russ: all right.....

Tia: when you're finished scribbling there.

Russ: this is due to the UPS.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I have found a third version that would work really well.

Tia: okay.

Russ: and that is.........it's a policy that would be set up whereby you need to bring on full-time people and reduce the size of your part-time force.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? So instead of firing or downsizing your part-time force, you don't hire any new people right now.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: but as a full-time person leaves, you bring up a.....to retire or leaves the company or for some reason........

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: you bring up a part-timer to full-time and then you can hire someone to work part-time but now if a part-timer leaves, you don't hire a new person.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that way as the full people leave, full-time people leave, the part-timers move up and then you can replace that part-timer who left with a new part-timer.

Tia: the unions won't go for that. That is in essence what UPS is trying to do.

Russ: it's a great plan.

Tia: UPS is trying to do that, the unions won't let them do that. Certainly there are individuals that are becoming full-time through the normal course of progression, people retire, somebody fills their position and so on, that is the way that it is done and that is the way that UPS wants it done. The union wants to make let's say out of my theoretical number of 25,000 part-time people, they want to make more than half of those......so that would be more than 12,500 full-time whilst keeping the other people part-time. What are those part-timers going to do for work if half the workforce that is part-time becomes full-time?

Russ: well they'll cover routes that don't need full-time coverage.

Tia: well that's the way it is now, you see? The union will if it continues on its course, destroy UPS because people will go elsewhere, to the Postal Service, to Federal Express, to the Flying Tigers, so on. For shipping they will go to other people which makes UPS have to lay off people.

Russ: well this is just setting up for someone to step in where UPS was.

Tia: exactly.

Russ: and then it would give more room for more people to come in to the courier business.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: who.....

Tia: career business?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: career?

Russ: courier.

Tia: could you...

Russ: as in courier, to carry something from some place to another, a courier.

Tia: that's a new word to me.

Russ: oh okay.

Tia: career.

Russ: no, courier.

Tia: not cree whatever.

Russ: no.

Tia: okay that's a new word. Korea.

Russ: courier.

Tia: courier.

Russ: yeah.

Tia: hmm okay.

Russ: anyway, that would bring up some new people into the business that are currently out of it because of the fact that UPS has got a stranglehold on the whole corporation.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: you have DHL, you've got Federal Express, you have a few people out there but they're not big time yet.

Tia: no, because UPS is the big.....

Russ: UPS has the planes, they've got the trucks, they've got the corporation but they're weak right now.

Tia: yeah due to the fact of the unions.

Russ: sure and people are going to find out how good those smaller companies actually are now.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: who normally wouldn't go with anybody else, especially the businesses.

Tia: exactly, exactly. So the unions, even though they're trying to do their members a service, are doing them a disservice. Now the other problem on the horizon for UPS is the pilots and the pilots union. It's another trouble brewing, one worth watching.

Russ: now with the UPS being controlled by the Teamsters, is this going to have any effect on truck deliveries as far as cross-country food and other deliveries......

Tia: not yet.

Russ: of shipments?

Tia: not yet.

Russ: I mean you won't have a sympathy strike from other Teamsters members?

Tia: no, I don't see that happening just yet.

Russ: okay.

Tia: the strike may go for another week, may. It may go longer.

Russ: now do you feel it's kind of shooting the....overshooting their bounds to call the White House in to mediate between these two?

Tia: yes, yes, absolutely.

Russ: I mean it's not like they're ground controllers.

Tia: no.

Russ: or something that has to do with a major government function.

Tia: yeah they're not vital as has been proved.

Russ: yeah it's a private industry.

Tia: correct.

Russ: it's unreasonable to have the government step in in a private industry's civil dispute.

Tia: well where does it stop? If you call the government in to settle that dispute, where does it stop?

Russ: well the buck stops at the government. The government could get the blame for this whole nine yards if it blows up in their face.

Tia: uh-huh and it very well could.

Russ: they were asked to come in so.....

Tia: well the unions asked them to come in.

Russ: sure and if they do it right and they get this strike resolved fairly between the two corporations, the government looks great.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: good gamble on Clinton's side.

Tia: yes and it's a very dangerous gamble.

Russ: it could pay off big though.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean his stakes are not.......it's not really a win-lose situation, because he could just say at the end going, "we gave it our best shot but we ran into very much unreasonableness on the side of whichever party decides to blow it up."

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and they could be looking at, "well hey, government gave it a shot, that's at least something that...."

Tia: yeah but there is no right for the government to be involved.

Russ: yeah but the majority of the people aren't seeing that. The minority of people who follow government are but on the whole, those average Joe's and stuff who just read the paper are just like, "oh, well that makes sense."

Tia: yeah but where does it stop? The government comes in to settle this strike right? And it goes well for them, let's say it goes well. Where does it stop, does it stop on a local scale?

Russ: it stops when the government.......whenever the government says it has to stop.

Tia: so, let us say that two people are having a domestic disagreement right?

Russ: uh-hmm.

Tia: the government steps in and says, "okay, we'll settle it for you." Is that right?

Russ: no, that's a job for the courts.

Tia: but that's the way it's heading. Where does it stop?

Russ: not necessarily, something like this isn't a court matter. You want to take the union and the UPS and have them settle this in court.

Tia: no but I'm saying that let us say that a husband and wife are having a disagreement over let us say........retirement plan.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: okay? The wife wants it in one setup and the husband wants it in another setup. Does the government have the right to intervene and say where it should go?

Russ: no.

Tia: but that's the way it's heading.

Russ: well, it's possible but I don't see it going that way in the long run. I see it will stop long before before that because the government will see that as a possibility and won't let it go that far.

Tia: the government very well might.

Russ: well yeah the government I think is just they've stepped in in Ireland, they've stepped in the Middle East, they stepped in China and Taiwan, they stepped in in Hong Kong and China. They've basically gone everywhere internationally and I think they're trying to do the same thing on a domestic level to show that their concern is also on a domestic agenda.

Tia: yes but every time they step in internationally, what happens?

Russ: actually, very good stuff so far.

Tia: well last time they stepped in, let's take northern Ireland.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: they stepped in, there was a 15 month cease-fire and then kablooey, back to square one.

Russ: nobody blamed that on the U.S. Government.

Tia: well why not?

Russ: it wasn't the government's fault. Extremists in the IRA caused that blow up.

Tia: yes okay, let us look at this right? Where did the money come from for the IRA to start their terror campaign again?

Russ: Sinn Fein.

Tia: where did Sinn Fein get the money from?

Russ: well they've got their supporters around the world, the United States and England.

Tia: not so much in Great Britain. There are a few, but very, very minor.

Russ: well I mean you've got people who.......like the guy who built that silver car.......(John DeLorean) .....whatever his name was...that chrome car or...

Tia: well it doesn't matter.

Russ: right.

Tia: but a lot of the money comes from the United States. Okay let us look at Bosnia. Okay, last September there was elections.........

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: which were basically a farce. You end up with three people running the country right? Three presidents, very strange setup, still haven't figured that one out. Now, supposedly there were meant to be local elections. Those local elections have been postponed and postponed and postponed and they have been postponed again until September which more than likely they will be postponed again. Now, out of the two million people that were homeless from that war right? They were supposed to get help and everything to move and settle back in. Out of that, only 250,000 have returned home. Out of that, only 10,000 have returned to their original ethnic areas, it's not working.

Russ: yes but America isn't in charge of all that, they're trying to give Bosnia as much independence as they can and not look like a United States puppet.

Tia: uh-huh, I'm going to quote you, "it's a good thing that the US is going in there to sort things out".

Russ: yeah, I agree.

Tia: but it's not sorted anything out.

Russ: no I'm not talking now, I'm talking about earlier when they...first the war stopped.

Tia: yeah it stopped all right but it's still going on, they're still killing each other, car bombs, shootings and so on. It's not as prevalent and the lines are no longer drawn in a line.

Russ: it's not a war anymore.

Tia: exactly, but people are still getting killed.

Russ: well people are getting killed in the United States every day.

Tia: well why doesn't the government do something about that?

Russ: because they're accidents.

Tia: oh, a drive-by shooting's an accident huh?

Russ: yeah we have police but I mean it's not like the government's going to declare martial law, come in and basically put a soldier with an M-16 on every corner to keep this stuff from happening in the United States which is the same thing you'd be looking at doing in Bosnia. So the government's doing the right thing in this.

Tia: you think so?

Russ: yes.

Tia: well, let me look at it this way.......or let us look at it this way.........as soon as the headlines are over and the deals are signed, your government basically goes pufft, "you're on your own." Let us look at Haiti. At the start of his run in office right? He said that after the invasion, there would be....how long would your troops be there, 18 months?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: about 18 months. Well they brought certainly a lot home but they sent just as many back as support personnel to support the United Nations peacekeeping force there in supplies and communications and medical purposes. So in essence, and they're all military personnel, nothing changed. They just brought the front-line troops home and replaced them with people that aren't capable of stopping the trouble.

Russ: well I applaud that decision.

Tia: why?

Russ: because history, and especially 20th-century history, has a lot of examples of governments that have run countries and when the countries got their freedoms back, the government said, "okay, you're on your own, goodbye." and left them with no support services and nothing to really base a government on at which point they were taken over by coups or ended up in total anarchy, dictatorships. No what we're doing in all three places you mentioned....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: is keeping a presence that if not just on a political side as in Ireland.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: is actually a physical side as you see in Haiti.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: leaving the countries to basically they're on their own but they've got their friend to fall back on.

Tia: no they're not, they're not on their own.

Russ: well pretty much everybody sees them as on their own. I'm saying look at perceptions.

Tia: they're puppets.

Russ: I know but look at perceptions.

Tia: is it right?

Russ: yes, absolutely.

Tia: it is right?

Russ: absolutely.

Tia: so it's right for a country to have another country as a puppet?

Russ: until they get their feet together and they can make it on their own, yes I totally agree.

Tia: they're never going to get their act together because the simple reason is that the United States or any other country that does this routine, Great Britain, Russia, so on, won't let them. Because as soon as they do that, they lose control.

Russ: but we have a lot of interests and investments in those countries.

Tia: you do?

Russ: sure.

Tia: name one in Haiti.

Russ: the sugar industry.

Tia: uh-uh.

Russ: we have a sugar industry in Haiti that we do get our sugar from because that's one of their main exports is sugar.

Tia: yeah, but you can get sugar from other sources, Hawaii.

Russ: sure.

Tia: sugar beet.

Russ: the prices are lower in Haiti.

Tia: slave labor.

Russ: fine but the prices are lower.

Tia: oh yes certainly.

Russ: we have investments that we are protecting. We have major loans we've given them......

Tia: oh.

Russ: that we are.......

Tia: oh so it's a matter of protecting your investments now is it?

Russ: absolutely.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well okay here's your scenario. We pull out okay? We leave them all on their own.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: which is what you I guess are saying.

Tia: yeah pretty much so.

Russ: okay, all of a sudden they have a fact where inflation starts to rise okay?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well, we can't get investments from the United States because we can't show that we have a government that's stable enough to encourage investment from the World Bank.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: therefore, people start losing faith in the government, government starts to collapse. In steps a military leader of some sort to oust Astride or Asteide or whatever his name is.

Tia: Aristide.

Russ: Aristide, and we're back at square one again. Here comes America again with it's troops, take over, here comes Aristide again. Okay, well we've gone through that whole thing again......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: we spent time, money, man-hours and soldiers to keep them there in a place that we should have kept a residual force in and help prop up until that government is more stable.

Tia: uh-huh. Okay let's look at what you've just said.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay, you spend X number of dollars on an invasion, you spend X number of dollars keeping individuals in that country right? To protect investments from the United States companies right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: that have total control of those companies producing sugar.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: okay, those companies pay taxes to the government.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: that pay the troops to protect the sugar.

Russ: right.

Tia: who pays.......and you say it works out cheaper?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: it doesn't. If you take in to fact that you are paying.......the companies are paying the government taxes to keep the troops there so that they have control, it works out that the price is about the same. You may find out that it's five cents cheaper over.....five cents per pound cheaper. That's peanuts. Because you are paying taxes to the government and buying the sugar company's sugar that pays the taxes to the government to keep the troops there. You're paying for the troops. You're paying the government to have those individuals there. You're paying for their food, their clothing, their lodging, their equipment, their transportation. So is it correct to send troops there to protect sugar that you're paying for the sugar, you're paying for the troops and all the relevant information that I've just stated with that?

Russ: well you left out one important thing that we're paying for.

Tia: what?

Russ: democracy

Tia: you don't pay for democracy.

Russ: well I think that that there's a hard currency coin we are paying for democracy.

Tia: people pay for democracy in their blood.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: so, you've taken away the free will of a people that are run by a bunch of third dimensional companies to enforce third dimensional philosophy and thinking that leads to no spiritual growth. Doesn't matter if it's Haiti, Bosnia or Northern Ireland. You perpetuate the cycle.

Russ: well I'm sorry if I'm in complete disagreement with that but only because in all three places, especially Bosnia and Haiti, we are perpetuating freedom of choice, freedom of religion, freedom to go out and make money and maintain a Democratic society with a capitalistic side to it whereby all people are able to express their free will, get books and other forms of materials that will help them in their conscious growth as opposed to what we've seen in Russia before and other dictatorships or other military coup places where the government runs everything, restricts religion, restricts thought, restricts everything and keeps that consciousness at a very low level.

Tia: you'd be surprised actually how much different the facts are from what you're stating. I'm running short on time as well. Okay let me round up by saying that you go in there and, using your own words, you force your will with your capitalistic ideas, with your idea of freedom on them. What if the people either don't really care or don't want it? They've got it regardless anyway. If there was the coup in the first place right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: and the sanctions were not levied, what would've happened? We'll leave it on that note.

Russ: okay.

Tia: I'll be back.

(Says goodbye in Durondedunn)

(Omal takes over from Tia)

Omal: greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: and how are you functioning?

Russ: functioning quite well, good thoughts and spirits to you.

Omal: thank you. Actually Tia is quite correct with her final statement. Okay let us first of all look at a few key points that need to be addressed.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay, stock market is good, UPS is good, it would be better instead of saying some coup country, specifically naming countries.

Russ: okay.

Omal: Ruwanda, Haiti, Uganda, Zaire, Tanzanika and so on instead of saying some coup country. Tia's comments on forcing an idea on individuals and what she is implying is correct that the people in that area should be allowed to make up their own minds on what they want and if there is a coup, there is a coup, this is part of their learning. Having somebody step in and saying, "this is the way it is" is wrong. Is it right for us to come down to your planet and say, "you're doing it all wrong, this is the way that it is and this is how we're going to enforce it." Is that correct?

Russ: no.

Omal: that is what Tia is trying to say in a roundabout sort of way. That if you look on it on a dimensional scale on trying to grow spiritually, the struggle, the coup, the violence is all part of the cycle and learning that needs to be addressed. That by doing so, they are learning. Whereas if you take away that learning tool of violence, of coups, of being repressed, then you are taking away their chance for advancement. They have to learn those lessons all over again. So by forcing what one person perceives as their moralistic point of view is wrong. Your morals are different from Mark's, as are different from Tia's, Kiri's, Karra's, my own, Ann's, your friend Jack, your friend Chris, Mark's friend Mike, they're all different moral points of view and all are valid. So for one person to say my morals are better than your morals is wrong. Tia came close to saying how it should be or how would it be beneficial for all parties when she mentioned the third dimensional way. If she had continued and followed that thought process through, you would have seen where she was trying to go. Tia's disadvantage is that English is not her native language and she still does think in Durondedunn and translates it into English. Okay, any questions on this so far?

Russ: you are totally unarguable.

Omal: thank you, I articulate better than Tia. English is one of my many languages.

Russ: quite well done.

Omal: thank you. Okay, let me get to my dissertation. Difference between sixth dimensional way of living and third dimensional way of living. Sixth dimensional way of living is basically concerned with dealing with the group and interacting in the consciousness of a group of beings of different ethnic, cultural backgrounds and accepting that your morals are different from their morals but yet interacting in a way where all morals react and interact in a correct fashion that is necessary for harmony. Harmony is an important part of consciousness. Being able to interact and be aware that something that you may take as pleasure may irritate somebody else or be morally wrong for somebody else and not practicing that in their presence until you find otherwise is part of the sixth dimensional, conscious, moral behavior. Behaving in a way that is decadent, irritating and annoying as perceived by other individuals is morally wrong. Individuals being offended by your morals in itself is morally wrong. It is an acceptance of all the consciousness and moral interactions in a sixth dimensional capacity.

Third dimensional morals. Third dimensional morals vary from ethnic area to ethnic area and from time period to time period. The biggest problem that I perceive is not being aware that certain moralistic behaviors and actions can upset other individuals. For example, being considerate of other people. Let us take a behavior that is quite common, loud music. Let us take classical music. Classical music for some people is very irritating and very annoying. It is morally wrong to force an individual's music on somebody else. By turning the decibel level to an irritating level is not only noise pollution but morally wrong as well. This creates disharmony, disharmony leads to other problems. And in doing so, the morals get rubbed, inflamed and people get on their high horse and create problems which creates more disharmony and therefore interaction becomes a negative characteristic. How to advance to a more harmonic level takes patience, skill, persuasion and in yourself being at harmony. Being in tune that creates the necessary vibrational frequency for you to confront the problem without getting angry, irritated or annoyed. Such mental patterns do take practice.

Comparing the two, there are no comparisons, that is impossible to do. Trying to be aware and advance to a sixth dimensional consciousness is the goal that I am trying to lay the groundwork for. For me to force my will, my moral ideas and my principles of advancing to this goal is wrong. I can lay out the pattern and leave it up to you, whether you wish to perceive it or not is your choice, the choice is there for you. It is not there for enforcement, it is there for your choice and your choice alone leading you hopefully to a path that I perceive as being harmonic for you. It is wrong to force the will of individuals on a majority. It is up to the individuals to accept and to learn what is right and wrong so that their harmony can help them advance. In conclusion, morals are important. Learning the morals that are necessary for advancement to help you on a spiritual pathway is the goal, the objective. How you achieve those morals varies from individual to individual. But it is important to remember that interaction with harmony is important to achieve the correct moral values. I think this ties in very nicely with last week's dissertation. Shorter certainly, more informative certainly. Do you have any questions?

Russ: a couple, yes. First off, wouldn't an individual's color scheme as for example blue painted walls force a change over the group as a whole?

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay. Just wondering about some individual who painted the corner bar up on the base.

(an establishment near Mark, Kiri and Tia's apartment)

Russ: as being a sixth dimensional perhaps not quite.......

Omal: that was a prank.

Russ: oh I understand that but I'm sure it was grasped as a enjoyable learning experience as a group as a whole which would be found in sixth dimensional terms.

Omal: correct. It is necessary to remember humor is an important growing tool. The fact that it did irritate some individuals, but a lot of individuals found it quite amusing. The color blue was not my most tasteful color to choose. I personally would have chosen a pastel pink.

Russ: well I was just thinking that you brought up the point of loud music, well this is sort of the same kind of thing.

Omal: yes, loud colors. Yes but that was done and I believe that the group did see the humor necessary in letting off steam for certain hairy individuals.

(the Wookies on the base)

Russ: indeed.

Omal: the people involved with the prank on the pranksters side also learned. What did they learn? They learned that the best laid plans of individuals sometimes is waylaid by a hair.

(a Wookie hair gave away who were the pranksters)

Omal: next question please.

Russ: all right, can we use your addition to your last week's dissertation about your keywords as being a part of your message overall in the webpage?

Omal: any references to the message that I'm trying to give out to.......

Russ: certain individuals.

Omal: certain individuals must not be mentioned.

Russ: correct but written it in the way that this is a puzzle to be worked out for growth.....

Omal: no.

Russ: ahh.

Omal: that is for certain individuals.

Russ: so there is no way I can use that thing.

Omal: correct.

Russ: that is just what I wanted to find out. All right, now let's look over if I could the differences between the two forms of living and break them down a little bit if I could.

Omal: okay.

Russ: alright, now obviously we cannot compare the two.......

Omal: no.

Russ: but from a third dimensional way of living, we see on an individual basis many people attempting a sixth dimensional way of living even unconsciously throughout our daily lives.

Omal: that is a desire for the glimpse that once was seen.

Russ: right, for example, I myself today had a quite a startling revelation of that same nature thanks to Karra.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and I admit I have a little bit of help there but I mean other people also get the same relevations so it's......

Omal: relevations?

Russ: revelations.

Omal: okay.

Russ: so perhaps it is a way that people are adding them up, helped them in their growth patterns.

Omal: yes but is also if you look at it if you look at it from other side, being tolerant of noise.......

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: being tolerant of the behavior of those individuals making the noise. So both parties need to compromise. One has to be tolerant and not get offended and the other one has to considerate of the other people's threshold to the noise.

Russ: well, on a sixth dimensional way, it's hard to see that happening down here but perhaps the change will be coming along.

Omal: hopefully yes.

Russ: all right, now then going over our past tapes that we've done, a question was brought up by Johnny in regards to the Hale-Bopp and the fact of it's changing the consciousness as far as how people are moving around.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and merging. In that same effort.....




(Omal continues with answering that last question)

Omal: yes, okay.

Russ: and this is also being brought about in regards to the Photon Cloud and how it's affecting consciousness.

Omal: I'm glad that you got it right on the second try.

Russ: okay, now in that regards, are we going to be seeing then a corresponding pattern of getting more towards a sixth dimensional way of living?

Omal: yes and no.

Russ: okay.

Omal: yes in the fact that more individuals are becoming aware of it and learning from it and no the fact that other individuals are becoming more focused within themselves. More concerned with to quote, "what about me? What about my feelings? What about my money?" So yes, there are individuals being affected by the Photon Cloud and the consciousness and the sixth dimensional thinking that goes with it but just as many are being affected by the "me syndrome".

Russ: okay, one last question I have here is in regards to people who live an ordinary life then can look back on this later on and realize that their life wasn't ordinary at all but yet all the experiences that went into making it made them quite special and un-ordinary. Is there a way that people could see that now instead of later and be taught that?

Omal: no there isn't unfortunately a way but an analogy that is useful, a bucket with no water is filled by each single drop.

Russ: thank you.

Omal: thank you. Live long, prosper and, I'll be back.

(Tia quickly makes the hand off)

Tia: okay, as we have three more people, I must chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop.

Russ: understandable.

Tia: okay.

(Karra takes her turn as speaker)

Karra: hello, as Tia is prepping up the guest speaker, I will be brief and short okay?

Russ: that's all right love, it was well-worded your question by the way.

Karra: thank you.

Russ: thank you.

Karra: let us look at.......we'll save that for next week as it is quite a long dissertation.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay, any questions?

Russ: not really, just observations as usual. Mostly on what we've been working on all day long.

(her mental time-sharing of my mind)

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: the bucket of water.

Karra: yes.

Russ: as opposed to the drops of water.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: good analogy that.

Karra: yes.

Russ: with that, can you expand a little bit more on that for those who just got through with Omal's part and now get on to Karra's part?

Karra: okay. I will try to be as brief as possible.

Russ: okay.

Karra: the bucket of water is us all, you, me, the host body, Tia, Kiri, our guest speaker, the technicians, all as individuals play an intricate part in the consciousness of individuals as a group and the group consciousness that is the bucket filled with water. You take out a drop and it is felt by the bucket even though it is just a fraction. Individuals play an infinite and intricate part in the all. The all being everything, the world you live on, the world I live on, the universe. The loss of a single object is felt throughout everything. Everything is interrelated to everything else. The progression from beginning to end is an important part that plays within it and I could go straight into my dissertation from this point but we will have to save it for next week.

Russ: all right. What I'll do is I'll just save this particular part....

Karra: and add it on.

Russ: and add it on correct.

Karra: yes okay.

Russ: now the one thing I have to question about is the example of Sarah......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: would you consider that as a drop taken out of the bucket and yet now being replaced?

Karra: yes, in the way, in a way. Sarah is the drop, the drop that has been taken out and is being returned.

Russ: yeah, many full drops.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: because her effects have affected many, many people whereas it might not have before.

Karra: correct. Oh, Wellington boots. Okay, bye love.

Russ: bye love.

(Tia again makes a quick hand off)

Tia: okay, I shall put her on and she wants to introduce herself.

Russ: uh-huh.

(Bunny comes on for the first time)

Bunny: hello out there. Oh, not so loud huh? Okay. You can help me with a translation. Huna is my stage name. Huna means, I don't know what it would translate, let me describe, it's a little rabbit.

Russ: hmm, interesting, well met, good to hear from you Huna.

Bunny: what is the English version of a little rabbit?

Russ: the English version of a little rabbit would be a bunny.

Bunny: that is my stage name.

Russ: hmmm.

Bunny: in your speak........language.

Russ: interesting.

Bunny: yes.

Russ: if I could make an observation then at this point.

Bunny: yes

Russ: Huna in Hawaiian which is one of our small little countries down here, a little state of our union, it stands for a very psychic skill or psychically minded person.

Bunny: oh.

Russ: kind of like a somebody who has a force, a psychic force with them. It's called Huna.

Bunny: ahhh, it means from where I come from little, long-eared, furry animal......

Russ: interesting.

Bunny: or rabbit. Rabbits are perceived as spiritual.

Russ: hmmm.

Bunny: they have to be clever, they have to create within themselves rapidly. They have to listen hard. They control their underworld environments.

Russ: interesting. By the way, nice command of the language.

Bunny: thank you. You want to come up and have pleasure?

Russ: I always want to have pleasure. I'm not very solid though up there I'm afraid, not like Mark.

Bunny: oh.

Russ: I'm more erethral.

Bunny: I'll give you.......what is to suck?

(Russ laughs pretty hard)

Bunny: to suck on your member?

Russ: yes that is a......

Bunny: oh sorry.

Russ: that's all right darling, it's good to hear from you. Well met.

Bunny: pleasure all both of ours.

Russ: indeed, I look forward to it. Huna, as I understand you're almost a celebrity?

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: as would be called down here.

Bunny: gift for you and Karra to watch.

Russ: one of your tapes?

Bunny: yes.

Russ: or holos?

Bunny: one of my holos.

Russ: excellent, I would look forward to that very much.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: and I'm sure Karra will definitely look forward to it very much.

Bunny: yes.

Russ: thank you.

Bunny: it's.......no. I am being told what I can and cannot say, I am not used to this.

Russ: that's all right, we're getting used to this.

Bunny: question.

Russ: yes.

Bunny: what is word that......someone like me?

Russ: entertainer.

Bunny: no, in lots of partners.

Russ: oh, promiscuous?

Bunny: that means lots of partners?

Russ: uh-huh.

Bunny: yes, is it common on your earth?

Russ: no, it's not very common. It's, it happens quite a bit.......have Kiri tell you that one.

Bunny: questions on morals.....

Russ: uh-huh.

Bunny: is it a moral issue?

Russ: yes.

Bunny: explain.

Russ: morally it is looked down upon and yet is accepted as a common fact.

Bunny: fry(?)

Russ: it's a contradiction.

Bunny: but to give pleasure is good.

Russ: true.

Bunny: to share is good.

Russ: true.

Bunny: to bring happiness, good.

Russ: yes.

Nina: all these things....

Russ: uh-huh.

Bunny: sharing, but looked upon not as good, why?

Russ: due to religion.

Bunny: fry?

Russ: fry.

Bunny: why?

Russ: oh why. Because religion, the study of the various religions we have here teaches that it is wrong because you should stay with one mate instead of many mates.

Bunny: why?

Russ: because our.......

Bunny: think quicker, it's quicker for me.

Russ: oh, oh our Bible with from Sananda when he was down here.

Bunny: I got it.

Russ: got it.

Bunny: I got it all from your mind.

Russ: okay, good job. All right....

Bunny: so moral issue, hmmmm.

Russ: yes moral issue.

Bunny: when I start college......

Russ: uh-huh.

Bunny: I study healing?

Russ: yes.

Bunny: pleasure.

Russ: excellent.

Bunny: nervous senses and.....

Russ: emotions?

Bunny: no.

Russ: empathy?

Bunny: hold on, I'm going to ask for a translation.

Russ: okay.

Bunny: religion.

Russ: religion.

Bunny: ahhh, thank you.

Russ: yes, religion, okay. Yeah because the sixth dimension you don't have that problem.

Bunny: no.

Russ: no.

Bunny: the gift of pleasure, happiness, sharing is all good.

Russ: uh-huh.

Bunny: I don't understand your earth morals.

Russ: hmmm, you have to live it to know it. I envy you and your morals as opposed to ours.

Bunny: oh.

Russ: yours are much better than ours but yet we have to live with ours.

Bunny: okay.

Russ: this will make a good add-on to our general information that we put out every month.

Bunny: oh.

Russ: it'll increase people's awareness that our morals are not as fantastic as yours are.

Bunny: use equivalent to earth term for my name.

Russ: Bunny?

Bunny: yes, explain that my name....

Russ: is Bunny?

Bunny: is Bunny.

Russ: I will do so.

Bunny: so you put Huna/Bunny.

Russ: uh-huh. I will make the difference so they will understand.

Bunny: (speaks some Sirian)

Russ: okay.

Bunny: oh.

Russ: (laughs)

Bunny: (speaks some more Sirian)

Russ: okay? My Sirian's very bad.

(Tia returns as ring mistress)

Tia: so is mine.

(Says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: yo.

Russ: I'm not even sure what those last two were, Chill good?

Tia: don't ask me.

Russ: goodbye I'd assume.

Tia: uh-huh and I think so. Kiri's going yes and the other one you can't...

Russ: (butchers some Sirian)

Tia: it's what she was trying to say earlier.

Russ: oh, okay.

Tia: in other words, can you turn it off for a second? We could also do with some....

(the tape is switched off and then back on)

Tia: okay I'm going to put Kiri back on.

(Kiri comes on from an absence on Sirius)

Kiri: dude.

Russ: dudette.

Kiri: yo I'm back.

Russ: what up baby? Missed you.

Kiri: oh my God, she just spilled the beans.

Russ: did she now? That's a little unusual, I thought she was going to wait for a while.

Kiri: Leah just told her.

Russ: fun time at the apartment tonight.

Kiri: well oh I see why she told her.

Russ: why?

Kiri: she has a hicky on the neck that she can't hide.

Russ: oh. Yeah well that would give it away.

Kiri: uh-huh. Oh, they're bouncing up and down and hugging and it's going to be fun.

Russ: girls night in the channeling room.

Kiri: no, they're both fully......well, if you can call what Huna's wearing....sorry, Bunny's wearing.

Russ: Bunny.

Kiri: she is wearing basically a skirt, basically a bikini bottom and....

Russ: one of your designs?

Kiri: no.

Russ: no?

Kiri: no, no top.

Russ: that will change.

Kiri: and stockings.

Russ: no top?

Kiri: no top.

Russ: ROWWW.

Kiri: uh-huh. It's not, it's not taboo.

Russ: oh I know but it is still ROWWW.

Kiri: uh-huh. Anyway........

Russ: gravity doesn't affect some of you girls up there I've noticed.

Kiri: true, true.

Russ: I don't know, I don't know if it's PK or just good balance.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: it just seems like muscle control or something just keeps.....

Kiri: just toning.

Russ: toning yeah? Gravity does not affect you like they do down here.

Kiri: anyway, let me read.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: because.....

Russ: didn't work?

Kiri: no.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: I was trying to work on that and Huna/Bunny was trying to help.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: she's a very talented young lady. I can't see why she doesn't have any interest in manifestation or going to a manifestation college but she wants to do theology and I will help her with that if necessary.

Russ: good.

Kiri: she tastes good too.

Russ: I'll bet.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, okay it starts off with.....can't really read that part.

Russ: letter from Sarah part two.

Kiri: and it's the farewell letter from Sarah.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: uh-huh. And actually this is taken from a holo disk so we can put this in it's from a holo disk.


"Not being able to write anymore and knowing that my vision is going, my sense of taste is fading, my hearing is as sharp as ever. If anything, the losing of my sight is improving my hearing. My senses of touch are staying about the same. What is to come, I really want, oh how I want it. I want the end to come. That the feeling of love of everything grows with each day. The understanding of the way things are for a particular reason. The cultural growth that I have experienced in this limited length of time. It is hard for me to feel any animosity to anything, to anyone. Let me explain a little something that I have learned the best that I can. The moral consciousness that develops with experiencing the sixth dimensional world. When I first came to this wonderful, luscious, green planet, the sense of loss of home was overpowering but the love of the nuns around me have helped me to realize that home is not on earth, it is not here on Sirius, it is not there on Mars, it is inside me, my memories, the feelings of those memories. And learning that what I once held as precious, is even more precious by the fact that people understand that what I did, I did as a gift for myself and for others. Sharing my experiences with the most wonderful Kiri is some..." Sorry Russ.

Russ: no go ahead.

Kiri: ".....is something that......"......I can't, sorry.

(Tia has to jump back on in a hurry)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: hey. Now that's a different side of Kiri.

Russ: no, that's the same side.

Tia: yeah well what I'm trying to say is that normally she controls.........oh my, now that's an interesting thing. She had Mark's eyes going. So where was I? I don't think.....we will try that again next week when she's over the hurt. Got any jokes?

Russ: nothing right off the top of my head darling.

Tia: oh.

Russ: I don't know, did you hear the one I told Mark?

Tia: which one's that?

Russ: the one about the postmaster general?

Tia: no?

Russ: really? Yeah it was in the news recently that the postmaster general wants to go over all the personnel records of all the post office employees?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: because of all the attacks and stuff that had gone on as far as people getting fired, coming back and blowing away their supervisors.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so basically he wants to weed through the......weed out those employees with aggressive tendencies.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: the question is, what's he going to.....what then? What's he going to do, fire them?

Tia: (laughs) oh, okay. Okay she's got her act together again.

Russ: okay.

Tia: yes I know I should've thought of that before I left. Sorry, it's an in joke up here.

Russ: oh yeah?

Tia: that I'm up and down, up and down.

(Kiri returns after composing herself)

Kiri: okay dude, I'm sorry about that.

Russ: no problem darling, I don't doubt it for a moment that it would affect me the same way.

Kiri: okay, I suppose let me see.......don't have anything, okay you want to hear what happened?

Russ: yeah, absolutely.

Kiri: okay, well went to quite a few tradeshows, both swimsuit and engineering. Picked up a whole load of great equipment which I can't discuss. Picked up oh......I've got 240 bolts of material.......let me see. Leonedies spent some great time with other super operants. Doesn't feel as if he's in such an exclusive club now. Alex, I'm starting to get worried about him actually. He's so obedient, he's....

Russ: am I the only one who doesn't worry about Alex?

Kiri: yeah, pretty much so.

Russ: oh, okay. He's just like me.......

Kiri: oh.

Russ: when I was his age.

Kiri: if I told you at the age of four to stand, stand over there.

Russ: I would of, I was that kind of kid. Mom used to worry about me all the time because I was too obedient she thought.

Kiri: well?

Russ: because she'd come to give us a beating and I just stand there and wait and take it as opposed to my brother who she'd have to go chase around the house and he'd get an even worse one.

Kiri: uh-huh. Yes but well he doesn't.....well you did things to deserve a beating.

Russ: well not really, fighting with my brother.

Kiri: well?

Russ: that's third dimensional thinking, that's different.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I was still......as soon as I got caught I was very obedient.

Kiri: what about the paint stains?

Russ: what about the paint stains?

Kiri: the paint stains you put in the carpet.

Russ: I did?

Kiri: no, must have been something else. I can go and get Bunny to probe you.

Russ: no thanks, I already got one headache tonight.

Kiri: oh.

Russ: most of the good stuff I did I never got caught for.

Kiri: uh-huh. But no...

Russ: yeah I know what you mean, he doesn't even do stuff that he needs to get caught for.

Kiri: exactly. I mean like Mark said just one day, I'd like to be called down to his crèche to find out that he's done something bad. He doesn't even get frustrated anymore. It's like, whatever happens, happens. Even his crèche parents are a little worried.

Russ: what? Is he getting fatalistic or something?

Kiri: yeah, if it happens it happens.

Russ: I can see it happening at a later age, maybe he's just an early bloomer?

Kiri: uh-huh. If that's a bloomer then......

Russ: could be it's just a phase he is going through too.

Kiri: well that's what we're all thinking but it's a worrying phase. You see.....

Russ: you have a kid that every parent on this entire planet would die for and you guys are worried about it.

Kiri: he's.....I know he's my eldest son and my first child but from what I've seen from other parents even in his crèche, I've sat down there and they talk about the mischief that their children get up to and think that they got away with and they turn around and they look at me and go,"well Kiri, what has Alex done?" And I go, "nothing". And they go, "he's got to have done something." And I go,"no, he plays, he tidies up, he fixes things that get broken, he sits patiently and waits if he's told to sit." I've even tried not telling him to sit, not to go near things. Just once I'd like him to get to some kind of mischief. What stories am I going to tell about my first son?

Russ: well you're going to say your first son was........he started off being a little unusual but now look at him, he's a leader of a planet

Kiri: but he doesn't even have that drive.

Russ: well not now.

Kiri: who knows, who knows. I know you're trying to make me not worry and we're getting close to the end of the tape as well. Oh no, we've got a fair bit.

Russ: I'm sure there's kids down here who have been similar but probably are just great people now, giants in their own right.

Kiri: I'd like to think so.

Russ: look at Sananda, Sananda was not a kid who went out and started causing trouble.

Kiri: you've only heard what they want you to hear.

Russ: ohhhh.

Kiri: oh here's a good example of causing trouble and causing worry. When he was 12 years old.....

Russ: he went to the Temple?

Kiri: uh-huh. Is that not causing trouble?

Russ: no, he was trying........he was learning.

Kiri: yes but but he caused trouble because he went away from his parents.

Russ: no, he did not understand why his parents were worried.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: that's different.

Kiri: yes but if I was in the same......

Russ: his parents didn't say don't go to the Temple.

Kiri: yeah but he caused worry you see.

Russ: well yeah but he was still only 12.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: he wasn't thinking on a sixth dimensional level yet of what that would cause to his parents.

Kiri: but Alex doesn't even do anything that would make me worried.

Russ: because he is on a sixth dimensional level.

Kiri: he doesn't even climb trees like his little brother does.

Russ: well no, that's because he's....

Kiri: he doesn't climb trees like the Cubs. They're all of those.

Russ: he is just like Sananda would be if Sananda would have been on the sixth dimension instead of third dimension.

Kiri: I know, you're trying to make me feel better. It's just that I worry.

Russ: well I don't and you can tell him, uncle Russ does not worry about you one bit.

Kiri: okay, let me see, let me see, okay. Spiritual growth, I'm going improvise. No, better yet, coercion and what is.......pause the tape. Okay, the importance of a clean conscious and coercion. Coercion as I have discussed many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many.....not yet and many times, is important. Very important, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very......yes Russ?

Russ: don't be burning up tape like this just because you have to burn up tape.

Kiri: very important. Okay, now where am I heading with this? Let me see, where was I going?

Russ: nowhere, you derailed completely.

Kiri: yes I did, didn't I? Okay let's start again.

Russ: no let's not, let's just tell me all about Sirius.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: go on to this next week.

Kiri: I'm planning on that, I'm kind of in one of those......

Russ: I know which is why I said, tell me about your trip.

Kiri: okay, what do you want to know?

Russ: well I want to know about Sarah, how the trip up to the monastery went.

Kiri: oh, the trip to the monastery.

Russ: traveling on little burros and stuff and........

Kiri: burros? What's a burro?

Russ: donkeys for whatever you guys.......horses.

Kiri: oh, a mal.

Russ: mule, whatever you guys traveled up there on.

Kiri: yeah, a mal.

Russ: I want to know all about you don't what was this......how was the trip? What happened? What did the kids think of it?

Kiri: well, Alex behaved himself. Walked and walked and walked until his feet got tired and then carried on walking and I think he would have walked all the way if he hadn't of started stumbling from fatigue. So I put him in the backpack. I had Leonedies on my chest because he complained after walking 100 yards that his feet were hurting and I told him why don't he fix his own feet? And he goes, "don't want to." So we had a little argument over that. Then we were hiking up and we got up to the cloud level which would be...quick fast time....carry the three.....about 5,000 feet and we got caught in a thunderstorm and there was hail and rain and it was windy and it was cold and it was nasty and it was wet and I had a warm spot on my chest and he was all bone dry and I'm absolutely drenched. So I got Alex to dry us out which serves no purpose whatsoever apart from the fact of giving us temporary warmth whilst we got wet all over again. So I had a debate with Leonedies about the importance of shielding us to keep us dry. It got to the point where it was my will against his and who has a stronger will?

Russ: you do.

Kiri: of course. So he put a shield over us whilst Alex did as he was told yet again and dried us out totally. We got up to about the 7,000 foot level and the light was going so I got Alex to manifest a light source and got Leonedies to use his ultra vision so that we stayed on the correct course. We got there at about 10 o'clock, well it would be about 10 o'clock if it was on Sirius......on earth.....on the base. As time is, it was three hours after dark.

Russ: right.

Kiri: we got there, we went straight to our quarters, I put the children to bed and went down and checked in on Sarah. Sarah was sound asleep when I got there.

Russ: oh good.

Kiri: she had waited and waited and waited and she had finally fallen asleep sitting in the chair waiting so I helped to carry her to bed and put her to bed. Got up early the following morning and this is all on the disk that I sent.

Russ: I didn't get the disk yet.

Kiri: oh well nevermind.

Russ: I haven't been up to check it out.

Kiri: oh, then got up in the morning, had breakfast. Sarah was already up and awake and she had done her normal one-mile walk that she does every morning and she was waiting for us. We sat down and we talked pretty much all day whilst Leonedies went off with grandmother and looked at the records and spent a a lot of time in the library and helping grandmother with her, her work. Alex I sat down and told him to read a book which he went through the whole entire book from end to end and went through it again while Sarah and myself were talking and then went through it again and he could probably recite the book word for word by now because I forgot about him I was so happy to see Sarah. Remembered him at about 6 o'clock in the evening and the nuns had been giving him food when they thought that he was hungry and they were, "oh my, such a well-behaved, polite, courteous young man." And he is, boringly so.

Russ: oh please.

Kiri: Leonedies had been off on the astral plane with his great-grandmother, my grandmother. We sat down for dinner and all of us, that's my grandmother, Sarah, Alex and Leonedies all sat down. Leonedies got fed up with dinner and decided he would go off and play. I wouldn't let him because it's not polite for him to leave the table whilst everybody's eating.

Russ: right.

Kiri: whereupon he set fire to the chair. Alex just sat there and watched the chair burn and did nothing. So I had the spank him so that Leonedies knows that it is wrong to set fire to furniture and that he should sit there and wait. There was no point letting him sit on the ashes because it wouldn't have bothered him in the slightest. He would have probably manifested it back together as one whole thing but it's wrong and impolite and it's a moral issue that I'm dealing with him. That was the second day, well the first full day actually. Got up and joined Sarah on her walk with Alex. Leonedies refused to get up because he was sulking. Came back and after our walk and there was a whole load of flowers in the room and Leonedies asking or begging for forgiveness. Set up the recording device and we had a long chat, Sarah and myself. Kept Alex with me this time and we talked about growing and learning and development and what she felt about things and what she thought about this, what she thought about that, how she felt about her childhood, what she thought she did wrong, basically looking at her life. In the afternoon after lunch we went down and we polished her return box, a little cramped for me but it feels very, very comfortable. Alex manifested a soft toy for her which made her cry.

Russ: how neat.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: that's good of Alex.

Kiri: yeah. Leonedies manifested a very intricate lot of flowers. Very intricate petals and everything for her. Kind of, "I can do better than my brother" routine. That's something else that worries me but we'll leave that alone.

Russ: right.

Kiri: okay that was the second day. We sat down and she fell asleep eating dinner so put her to bed. Alex, Leonedies and myself went out and stargazed and I pointed out special stars like my mother did when I was little. And pretty much that's how much the other three days went. The return trip was very uneventful apart from the mal was a little bit cranky so I had to coerce it. Being lighter on food and stuff going down, I let Alex and Leonedies sit on its back until it decided it was going to sit and not doing anything so I coerced it. Didn't get caught in any rain. We got down to the bottom of the mountain at about sunset just before it started snowing up there. Spent the night at home.

Russ: how's your dad?

Kiri: he's doing great.

Russ: he is? How's Gonzo?

Kiri: Gonzo's doing wonderful and their young one's doing excellent.

Russ: great.

Kiri: spent a very, very enjoyable evening with dad and Gonzo. Dad took the children into town which left me and Gonzo time to......

Russ: converse?

Kiri: yes, converse. The following day, drove back to the space port, met up with Bunny and her sister and her brother. And I spent the afternoon after dad left with Bunny and she showed me around town and then we rejoined her brother and sister and got on the shuttle back.

Russ: hmm, I have a question for you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: Bunny brought up an interesting point that I had a question about. Tia is always going on about how our decaying moral system down here is a lot of what's bringing down our planet.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but listening to Bunny talk about the moral system that she's under, compared to the moral system we have, I have to say yeah well our moral system is pretty weak compared to her's but as far as where the two stand up, I'm getting all confused.

Kiri: it's her set of morals.

Russ: right.

Kiri: she is an entertainer.

Russ: right.

Kiri: she is promiscuous as you put it. She doesn't understand the promiscuous side of it, she doesn't know what the word promiscuous means. She's totally confused by that concept of that it's wrong.

Russ: must be nice.

Kiri: for your society it is wrong.

Russ: right, it wouldn't work.

Kiri: no because sex is frowned upon outside of marriage in certain religious sects. It's frowned upon women between women, men between men that's frowned upon but it's the pleasure side that the fact that.......let's say I was to start hitting upon you correct?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: right? And you were under the belief that to have a physical relationship with a bonded woman was wrong. Telepathically, I would be able to sense that you were upset by it. Even though you may be smiling and flirting and playing along a little bit, I would know that you were offended by it because of the underlying emotion of you seeing it as wrong.

Russ: right.

Kiri: so Huna, Bunny is able to understand when it is right for her to be offering the gift of herself, offering pleasure, offering fun, offering her love. She understands that feeling that it's.....she's very empathic.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: that she knows when somebody is offended by it and therefore doesn't do it. Being empathic, she is also aware when somebody is in that sexual state.

Russ: lucky she didn't meet Mark a few years back.

Kiri: oh God, they would have been at it constantly. Being who she is, she does have a slight chemical imbalance which does give her that....

Russ: libido?

Kiri: yes, that libido, that libido in spades. She has been offered medication for it. She told me on the flight back, it was one of the.....because I asked her, I said having a heightened sexual arousment level and she goes, "what, you mean permanently turned on?" And it's sort of like yes, and she goes, "Well I'm not permanently turned on."

Russ: she didn't seduce all the stewardesses?

Kiri: no. She's turned on about 90% of the time.

Russ: so she nailed the pilot. (chuckles)

Kiri: no, she didn't need to. She is........she can take medication for it. She doesn't want to because she feels.....and it doesn't affect her thinking or anything and she can control it herself.

Russ: right.

Kiri: she doesn't think about it constantly.

Russ: it doesn't interfere with her life.

Kiri: no, it doesn't interfere with her life at all.

Russ: it probably enhances it a lot.

Kiri: certainly, certainly.

Russ: it enhanced mine big time.

Kiri: because she is being in that sexual state a lot of the time, she's more aware of how people react. She senses little changes in them. Her current object of fascination.........

Russ: is your sister.

Kiri: uh-huh, is a karmic one I believe. I get glimpses from her, or from both of them actually that they probably don't understand.


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