The Other Taal and the Families of Sirius-

Channeled  (07/07/1998)

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Archivist Notes: For the channeling session for August, we are departing from the legacy series this month. This one is from 1998 and thus is one of the clearest sounding recordings we've posted recently. Kiri starts things off by informing us that Tia wasn't on the base and she had requested that one of her assistants take over in her stead. The gentleman chosen got the assignment due to his research into the subject being discussed. We find out his name is Taal, just like the Wing Commander but this Taal is Sirian and not one of the pilots. His English skills are comparable to the Wing Commander's. He reveals these approximately 500 years old and new Kiri and Karra's father as well as them when they were very young. Much of what he goes over is the Defcon status which is what the base was using to determine the status quo of the planet much as NORAD would. Kiri comes back on and we learn that only Oath Keepers like Lyka eat meat among the Sirians. She also begins to explain relationships on a higher dimension and would be expanding on the subject significantly when she would speak at the end of the tape. Omal takes questions and one that had been going around recently in the news was on the Tailwind incident which involved a government cover-up about Sarin gas used by the US during the Vietnam War. Also, we get to hear about the odds of a comet hitting our planet due to a movie that had come out called "Armageddon". Mark and Kiri's son Leonedies finishes up the side with an address he'd like passed on to the other races taking part in the intergalactic conference being organized. He may be only three years old, but he's a super operant and supremely intelligent. The note on the person that we discuss in Northern California on side two is that she is a channel for Ashtar Athena who has spoken once in a channeling session of ours. Now we were looking at enlisting her help to see if her participation might be included. Side two notes include as well Karra coming on to help out our female guest with a woman to woman chat. Karra had been doing some research on drugs and alcohol and had some great information to pass on to our guest about those subjects as they had been a problem until recently. This is the first time we would hear about the population of Sirius being about 15 to 20 million. An amazingly small number of people for an entire planet. To expand on that subject, Kiri now explains the sexual side of being higher dimensional. She goes into depth about the difference between sex and making love. The short version is that one is spiritual and one is not.

August gives us an opportunity to leave the legacy series of channeling sessions and go back to a session from 1998 and with it, the clarity we saw with the better recording equipment of the later years. It also introduces us to a new speaker we don't have an image to add to his profile as he only spoke the one time. He is an assistant to Tia enlisted to take her place while she is away from the base. He covers topics of a similar nature starting with the wildfires that were taking place in Florida. What we discover in our discussion with him is that is over five hundred years old and a skier on the base team. Skiing is the thread that connects him to the Tanaka family as he recalls times when he knew Kiri and Karra's dad before having daughters was even considered.He recalls as well seeing both girls as they were just learning how to ski. From him we change speakers over to Omal who is familiar with the topic brought up which was called the Tailwind incident which happened during the Vietnam War. It had made news so Omal helps debunk the latest rumors. We move on to a movie recently released called "Armageddon" and his knowledge of spacial dynamics allows him to spell out what would happen with a comet of a similar size. It is a sad state the world is left in with survivors facing a grim future. With odds of a thousand to one, that is odds that can help a person sleep at night. We end with his explanation to a question about keywords where he reminds us that both he and Korton are using them already and to look to their past conversations to spot them. We end the side with Kiri and Mark's infant son who is more university professor than a three-year-old child. While not a regular speaker, when he did join it was to help with the organization of the intergalactic Conference being organized that would bring together all the races involved with our planet and people. In this appearance, he lays out a challenge to the other races to demonstrate their willingness to participate in the talks.

On side two, Leonedies helps us with a possible channel to assist with the Conference who is able to bring through Ashtar Athena. As he knows the actual Ashtar Athena, he is in a good position to provide teh best advice. One hangup we were experiencing was finding a channel for the Zeta Reticuli since they spoke as a single entity. He assures us that finding someone won't be as hard as it sounds. The bladder of an infant is very small so he is off and his mom comes on again to get us transitioned over to her sister. Karra starts off reminding us that Leonedies is an eight dimensional entity who has chosen a life as sixth dimensional to experience it again and accomplish some purposes he had set himself. Karra draws on her healing knowledge to assist a guest in determining why she is dealing with acne and split ends. Knowing our guest has had challenges with addictive substances in the past, she had done some research into how they were processed. Did she get an eye-opening education. So she is prepared for this conversation and we learn a lot about which cause aggressiveness during their use and which don't. Her studies included alcohol and she is able to detail the issues experienced who are allergic to any form of alcohol including rubbing alcohol. A statement about squalid living conditions in some parts of the world leads to Karra explaining why Sirius does not have a population problem. With only twenty million max on a whole planet, it would be a paradise compared to the millions packed in to a single city on our planet. What she explains is that Sirians have no need for huge populations and the resources to maintain huge numbers of people. Their pursuits are for mental development and not procreation. We end it there to allow Kiri time to speak and she has a lot to say in regards to her earlier topic on the sexual mores Sirius. We had already heard her reference the scandal she caused with Taal's daughter at a diplomatic function she had brought in previous channeling sessions. We get to hear her give a dissertation on her favorite subjects, sex and making love. The two are very different as she points out by describing how they differ. She reminds us that due to rejuvenation techniques, a seventeen-year-old may actually be three hundred which we find is the case with the technician monitoring the sound and holograms. She also reminds us of the unpleasant toxic masculinity displayed by Johnny who has played  large role in the archives as questioner. We can confirm as a lot of that misogyny that came up in sessions had to be edited out. But that is how life works and we can only realize that without his presence, the sessions would not have had his questions or input. Both were crucial in their timing and it's obvious in hindsight why he was such a large part of the channeling sessions. That was the end of the tape and another great session hoes into the archives.            

In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra

KIRI- Ring Mistress MARK CROCKER (Channel)


1.)(3:18)- Taal, an assistant of Tia's, come on to take her place is discussing the status of the Earth. We also discover that he is old enough to have known both Kiri and Karra as well as their dad as youngsters.
2.)(5:37)-  Kiri explains why only Oath Keepers eat meat and how the relationships between those of a higher dimension are not restricted to the taboos of same sex relationships found on this dimension.
3.)(25:15)-  Omal discusses a current Government scandal from the Vietnam era that threatened to advance the Defcon level the base had in place. The movie "Armageddon" lets Omal give us the odds.
4.)(41:58)-  Three-year-old Leonedies comes on to add some impetus to the intergalactic Conference being planned in the form of a challenge to the other races that were expected to participate through channels.


1.)(0:00)-  Leonedies returns to help us with a channel for Ashtar Athena and the Conference. He confirms for us the the Zeta Reticuli will be able to work through a channel despite speaking with one mind.
2.)(6:29)-  Karra helps a guest with the reasons that acne and split ends were happening. She also reveals she has been studying the effects of drugs and alcohol and lets us know which make you aggressive.
3.)(26:32)- Kiri expands on the subject she started before on the relationships on a higher dimension with the emphasis on how making love and sex are two different things. One is spiritual and one is not.

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(Kiri is the night's ring mistress)

Kiri: oh, that looks good, doesn't it?

(Linda laughs)

Kiri: I think it's somebody's idea of a joke.

Russ: I'm sure it is.

Kiri: in the shadow there it looked realistic, didn't it?

Russ: scared me at first.

Linda: it looked like Mark did that.

Russ: I already moved it so I knew what it was.

Kiri: okay, let's put that there so it can get closer to you guys.

(Kiri moves the mic)

Russ: all right.

Kiri: so you don't have to speak up so loudly.

Russ: we never do anyway.

Kiri: yeah, which was part of the problem that we need to be a little bit more vocal. Okay, got any questions?

Russ: well let's see, all the stuff I have for Tia, I suppose I can ask you, right?

Kiri: no.

Russ: well the stuff I have for you I can ask Tia, right?

Kiri: sometimes. Normally you could if Tia was on the base but she's not so we can't have that link.

Russ: I mean you might know some of this stuff.

Kiri: well, as I'm acting as ring mistress, as you can ask me after the first guest.

Russ: okay, fair enough.

Kiri: okay?

Russ: all right.

Kiri: but do you have any questions for me?

Linda: me?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Linda: I would like to know what.......I don't know, what type of person would I be described as?

Kiri: impulsive.

Linda: impulsive?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Linda: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Linda: is that bad for my situation?

Kiri: hmmm, it can be both, both good and bad. Impulsive is not a derogatory term nor is it a positive term. Impulsive is a way to describe somebody that suddenly decides to do something.

Linda: yes, and what if we don't have the materials to do it?

Kiri: then that can be detrimental......

Linda: can it cause acne?

Russ: acne?

Linda: yeah, clogged pores?

Kiri: yes, if you suddenly decide to do something without proper planning...

Linda: uh-huh.

Kiri: then certainly stress does play a factor into it, but acne is not related to stress directly as far as I know. You'd have to ask our resident Miss smarty-pants or Mrs. Marty pants, Ambassador know it all healer.

Linda: oh, good idea.

Kiri: okay, I suppose I better put on the first speaker.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Linda: bye.

Kiri: okay. Be gentle with the first speaker. I don't leak like a sieve like Tia does.

Russ: yeah.

(Taal speaks for the first time)

Taal: hello.

Russ: greetings.

Taal: first I speak on my introduction. Kiri said to say, do you know who I am being?

Russ: hmmmm, no.

Taal: I have a person that of knowing that speaks similarly. First, English is not my speaking tongue.

Russ: hmm, no.

Taal: okay, giving you a prompt?

Russ: uh-huh.

Taal: I work for one who is away.

Russ: oh, you work for Tia.

Taal: that is a right comment.

Russ: ahh, so we have not met yet?

Taal: I have a person of knowing that has same name that Kiri said speak like I do? We share same name.

Russ: hmm.

Taal: I also pick up bronze medal in downhill for male?

Russ: oh, hmm. Your name isn't.........oh, what is it? I don't know.

Taal: okay, final comment leading to conclusion.

Russ: okay.

Taal: if I were person of same name, you would stand upright with hand beside ear?

Russ: Taal?

Taal: I have same name.

Russ: oh, okay.

Taal: I am assistant to one who is away.

Russ: oh, well congratulations on your bronze medal.

Taal: thank you. I am to be covering set topics laid out by she who must be obeyed.

Russ: okay.

Taal: first of all, I will start off with.......I do not know what this word is saying but it is a long paragraph or many paragraphs. I'm not quite sure what would word being would be to describe it but I will start.

Russ: okay.

Taal: concerning the problems in the state of fire being Florida....

Russ: uh-huh.

Taal: it is of concern for damage of a currency value that is approaching a declaration of unstable condition. However, being that weather intervenes in a way that is causing precipitation to fall and dampening the problem, it is no longer a part of the equation even though the fiscal loss is approaching that of a criteria laid down for declaring the advancement of the status of readiness. Concerning that status of readiness, the fortuitous time in the purchasing markets.........I do not know what the word was before, I am assuming it is to do with acting in a way that the situation of advancement to a higher level of preparedness is not of concern at this time. Being concerned and watching, it is necessary to lay out again, to specify in a clearer form, if that is possible for me with my limited linguistic ability, to explain the criteria for advancement. Advancement to the next level requires a drop in the purchasing market of one hundred and fifty points. Also, a natural phenomenon of disastrous ability such as the situation in Florida. Also, followed by, before, or during, civil disobedience within the continental area of the landmass or the areas that are looked over by the continental mass. Moving to the next topic that she who must be obeyed asked me to follow. Current visits by political dignitaries that will remain nameless to countries of........again, I do not know what the word that she has written here, it is hard to read..........but being of the Eastern area? I think it reads Chin?

Russ: China.

Taal: ahh, China. It is an unusual looking line of words.

Russ: right.

Taal: this visit being a paying off of certain fiscal donations and actions achieved only to portray both leaders to their peoples as strong. Serving very little purpose to gain for either country being a situation that is just for show and face. Okay, now I am allowed to ask questions and answer to my best judgment by she who must be obeyed.

Russ: all right. Now you mentioned that.......we'll start with the last one first.........Clinton, his visit to China was merely just a image perception for peoples of both countries and there is no real substance to those meetings or visits?

Taal: I correct you. His show was for the people of his country, not for those of the country that he visits.

Russ: oh, okay. All right, and the paying off of fiscal debts, that for donations I should say, this is something that helped him gain the presidency in the first place.

Taal: that is being of correct assumption.

Russ: okay. Now the perception in the media is that this helped establish a trading relationship between the two countries that is stronger than it was prior to this.

Taal: if anything, my analyzing of the area, and she who must be obeyed gave this to me for a reason, I studied this set up.

Russ: okay.

Taal: if anything, it is more out of balance than it has been in the last ten years.

Russ: hmm.

Taal: for every day, the trade imbalance grows by approximately a hundred hundred million million million of your dollars. I believe that is one billion?

Russ: yes it is. This is not good though. This whole point if it is true........

Taal: it is not bad either.

Russ: that really means though we're buying more than we're selling.'

Taal: so therefore the living standards of those people of that land being better for the purchasing of your people.

Russ: okay. Now how do these two topics that you mention relate?

Taal: which two?

Russ: the current conditions that would bring about the destabilization of our current financial situation and Clinton's visit to China.

Taal: if anything, it aided in the recent plunge.

Russ: oh.

Taal: being due to the fact that.......Tia has an answer for that says here, due to the fact that being away, he did not have opportunity to vocalize his concerns over fiscal activities.

Russ: hmm. Okay, that makes sense. Now, in the area that we spoke of about the destabilization, you mentioned a civil disobedience within the USA. You mentioned a natural phenomenon such as the fires in Florida and the drop in the market of a hundred and fifty points. You also mentioned that the civil disobedience could take place in the territories governed or looked over by this continent. Now would that include countries in which we have a partnership with, or countries which are actual territories?

Taal: countries is a inaccurate word, I refer to a group of islands?

Russ: oh, Puerto Rico.........or Hawaii?

Taal: those were the ones.

Russ: Hawaii, okay, I see, Hawaii. Alrighty, so according to Tia, she said that we came very close to reaching this moment of advanced destabilization except for the fact the market did not drop.

Taal: that is correct.

Russ: but the civil disobedience that she was talking about actually happened in Ireland.

Taal: that does not add into the equation.

Russ: correct. So I'm not sure which civil disobedience was key to this happening. You wouldn't know, would you?

Taal: no I would not. It would have to be asked of she who must be obeyed.

Russ: okay. Now then, as far as our changing economic status continues, when all three events taking place at the same time and the advanced status of preparedness is announced?

Taal: that would be self evident. It is being set up in a way that it is not needed to be announced.

Russ: okay, so we'll see it when it does come.

Taal: that is being correct.

Russ: okay. Hmm, so this needs to be communicated to a worldwide basis to make this the most useful form of announcement or information distribution.

Taal: that would be self evident, would it not?
Russ: it would.

Taal: I am not known for my....

Russ: diplomacy?

Taal: that being one. Overall cover to explain that I maintain a dry personality?

Russ: yes, well that's helpful for analyzing information though.

Taal: it is more than helpful, it makes me suited.....well.

Russ: okay. Can ask your origin, is it Sirian?

Taal: correct.

Russ: ahh, okay.

Taal: being a skier.....

Russ: ahhh.

Taal: you may be able to deduce from whence I arrived.

Russ: that would be this winter, previous winter?

Taal: no.......whence I being from.

Russ: oh, where would you be from? So basically you were on a previous team before Hades Base, I take it?

Taal: I have been on two teams, many teams.

Russ: ahhh.

Taal: I even watch two young ladies grow and learn to participate in the pleasure of skiing.

Russ: ohhh.

Taal: give you more clue on from whence I origin.

Russ: hmm, so you're quite old then.

Taal: define old.

Russ: more than a hundred years.

Taal: that is being of young.

(Russ starts to chuckle)

Russ: then we'd be talking more like five hundred years.

Taal: that is more to the mark.

Russ: okay.

Taal: I remember very, very young man being led by hand before his two daughters were a thought in his mind's eye.

Russ: ahh, that would be our current president of Sirius I take it?

Taal: yes.

Russ: ahhh, excellent. Well you were on Sirius then then?

Taal: that is being correct assumption.

Russ: right, so you came to the base shortly no, approximately 30 years later?

Taal: more than thirty years later.

Russ: ahhh.

Taal: I have been on base this time for thirty of your cycles.

Russ: ahhh, okay.

Taal: I remember rambunctious one being yea tall with this long skis on little feets?

(that gets Russ laughing)

Taal: skiing with knees together?

Russ: ahhh. Well now she's up there competing with you.

Taal: she better, ask the teacher.

Russ: excellent. Well this is an honor and a pleasure to be talking to you tonight then.

Taal: you are welcome. Now I must be away, I go.

Russ: farewell, thank you for visiting tonight.

(Kiri has a little time before bringing on Omal)

Russ: knees together, huh darling?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: oh well, we all have to start somewhere I suppose.

Kiri: uh-huh. You remember the story about me and the young lady in the swimming pool?

Russ: oh yes, absolutely.

Kiri: uh-huh, that's his daughter.

Russ: is that right?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: ohhh, I was gonna bring that up too but I decided not to.

Linda: why, what happened?

Kiri: I was caught in a compromising position in a swimming pool with Taal's daughter.

Linda: oh.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Linda: is that allowed on your planet?

Kiri: yeah, uh-huh. There are very few things that are forbidden. Killing of another person is forbidden.

Linda: okay.

Kiri: killing of another animal is forbidden in except for certain individuals. Those are mainly Oath Keepers.

Linda: oh, okay.

Kiri: they need the extra iron and they burn very brightly. They're very bright, shiny people that live every moment. Sexual matters? There is no taboo.

Linda: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh. Two guys, two girls, three girls, four guys, doesn't matter. It's all for pleasure and fun.

Linda: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, any questions?

Russ: well, basically he answered a lot of them but....

Kiri: so that's Tia's nickname, huh?

Russ: one who must be obeyed?

Kiri: no, she who must be obeyed.

Russ: she who must be obeyed.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: that's a good one.

Kiri: that is a good one. I think that's his stab at humor.

Russ: yes, I agree. But isn't it kind of unusual here, he watched you girls grow up and now he is working with Tia? He's now channeling with you and......

Kiri: first time and probably the last time he will be channeling. He seemed very comfortable.

Russ: well he seemed pretty comfortable to me.

Kiri: you ought to have seen him squirm and fidget.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well, he gives me good information, that's what counts.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and basically did a lot of good confirmation stuff of stuff here last week?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: cool.

Kiri: okay, I better put on the next person.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: no, I'm not going to say. You'll have to excuse me, I am in a very rambunctious mood.

(Kiri covers Mark's mouth with something)

Kiri: that should make it easy for him to talk.

(Omal puts some decorum back into the session)

Omal: greetings and felicitations. Greetings Linda, greetings Russ.

Linda: greetings.

Russ: hi Omar, how's it going?

Omal: it is going well. Okay, I will briefly go over a few points.

Russ: okay.

Omal: Taal mentioned only one advancement to Defcon three.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: for
Defcon two, it is I believe a 250 point drop, three natural disasters and three civil disobediences within your continental USA.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay, that needed to be explained and enlarged upon. Okay, now, I'm going to throw out my usual format of giving a dissertation, which I believe is the word that he was looking for.......

Russ: ahhh.

Omal: and leave the floor open to discussion and questions and answers.

Russ: excellent.

Omal: first of all, Linda........

Linda: yeah.

Omal: question. Did Kiri's comments make you feel uncomfortable?

Linda: no, not at all.

Omal: okay. Kiri said that she didn't want to embarrass you.

Linda: no.

Omal: that she likes to be open with her deviations.

Linda: I'm just been having a very difficult time with my femininity in this lifespan.

Omal: ahh.

Linda: it's been very hard to be feminine when it seems like I'm constantly either on display......

Omal: uh-huh.

Linda: or I'm trying to prove myself as a human being, as a person.

Omal: when Kiri comes back, I suggest that you talk to her about that.

Linda: okay.

Omal: Kiri is also......quite stunning.

Linda: okay.

Omal: much as her sister is.

Linda: uh-huh.

Omal: Kiri's way of dealing with the attention and distraction....

(The phone rings)

Omal: please pause.

Russ: speaking of.........okay.

Omal: okay. Okay, let us leave the floor now open. If you wish to pursue this avenue, we can continue discussing it if you wish Linda.

Linda: no, that is fine.

Omal: okay. But I do suggest that you discuss it with Kiri.

Linda: okay.

Omal: okay. Russ?

Russ: all right, we've had some interesting changes in our media lately concerning things which are said by the media and then having to be taken back.

Omal: this would be the Tailwind incident?

Russ: that is correct.

Omal: I'm surprised that Tia did not cover this.

Russ: well she wasn't here.

Omal: that is correct but it has been known for some time. I believe that Tia would have probably shot down the comments before they even started. Concerning this comment of using certain gases to neutralize defectors. The dangers in using these gases would make it detrimental to use them in such an operation. If you think about the instability of these gases, then not only would the target be damaged, but possibly a large area around. Or if something went wrong in the delivery, innocent individuals would have been harmed. So these statements by individuals of dubious sources by their own admission or own wording if you know anything about these gases, would have created a serious problem if something had gone wrong. So my assumption would have been that this never happened, that this was a fabrication. I see this as a symptom of your popular reporting press. That they not only report what they want to you know but what they think you should know which may not be the actual facts. And this is a prime example of those kind of erroneous comments.

Russ: now I have a different theory on this.

Omal: okay.

Russ: it's my opinion that the reporters in questions were being used. That the competition, the heavy competition between newsmen to report a story first was used in somebody's advantage to get a story out that would hurt the government of the United States.

Omal: why would it hurt your government, your current government? Would it not be hurting the government that was involved in those operations which I believe at the time was Nixon? 72?

Russ: yeah, I guess it would be either Nixon or Johnson.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: but.....

Omal: either way, what purpose would it serve? Those individuals are both on a different consciousness.....

Russ: right.

Omal: and the people that worked for them are either no longer working in that political field or are also on a different level of consciousness.

Russ: well it's a question of perception. Whereby the Army or the government is seen already as being corrupt and hiding things and this is another example of the government hiding something that it did that was against his own policies. Wouldn't that not hurt our government now because it would just be a carryover of a cover up?

Omal: not necessarily. Due to the fact that of it happened almost 30 years ago, to be precise 26 years ago, what harm would that do to the current setup?

Russ: distrust in the government?

Omal: that already exist.

Russ: true.

Omal: so if it is being aimed at individuals, it is being aimed at those that are no longer serving.

Russ: hmmm. Okay, it still worries me a bit that the media is so free in its ability to report things irresponsibly like this.

Omal: yes, it is a worrying situation.

Russ: because it's things like this, for example as with the Rodney King trial, that causes civil disobedience's that was just mentioned in the prior speaker.

Omal: correct. But remember, that for a advancement of the Defcon level, it would have to be coupled with a natural disaster and a drop in the stock market, would it not?

Russ: well yes, but this is the point I'm getting to, that any report like this could actually trigger all three at once.

Omal: correct, but it did not......

Russ: true.

Omal: and it was soon disproved.

Russ: true.

Omal: but, you do not hear as much of a Who Ha on the retraction.

Russ: that's true, I would've been highly upset if I had been lied to like this.

Omal: uh-huh. Why are you not highly upset?

Russ: because we didn't believe in the first place.

Omal: but still, there are a lot of people that did.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: why are they not clamoring for the heads of individuals that reported this erroneous information?

Russ: wait a minute, that's it, it's because we're so used to hearing this kind of thing.....

Omal: exactly.

Russ: that we did get upset that much in the first part, as much as normally would have happened, and so when we find out it didn't happen, we're not getting so upset again.....

Omal: correct.

Russ: because we're so used to this happening.

Omal: correct.

Russ: because we've gotten so immune to this stuff.

Omal: which is a sad state to be in.

Russ: it's a real sad state.

Omal: okay, let us move along.

Russ: all right.

Omal: Linda....

Linda: yeah.

Omal: do you have more questions?

Linda: oh no, I'm good.

Omal: okay.

Russ: okay, now going along with the topics that were just mentioned prior to the other speaker, the current visits by Clinton to China.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now China, is that becoming more of a symbol for democracy let's say starting to spread or is that just the communists appeasing the West and the trade situation?

Omal: I would say it is more the Communists appeasing the West. There is a Chinese philosophy called the long view....

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: I believe we have covered this in the past.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: do you know what the long view is?

Russ: yeah, that a hundred years is nothing to them.

Omal: but what is the long view?

Russ: it's like the big picture?

Omal: no.

Russ: oh.

Omal: it is one day they will rule your planet.

Russ: ahh.

Omal: and they have plenty of time.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: that is the long view. Okay, three more questions.

Russ: I'll have to watch myself then. Okay......

Omal: you think I am laying you a trap?

Russ: yes.

Omal: now, Russ, would I?

Russ: yes, you would.

Omal: of course.

(Russ starts laughing)

Russ: okay, the current movie out right now, "Armageddon", discusses the possibility of a comet hitting the planet and causing mass damage and the effects of events to try to stop that from happening.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: odds of this happening?

Omal: a thousand to one.

Russ: okay. Any preparations that we should make in the future for this to happen?

Omal: depending on where the comet is projected or the meteor is projected to hit. If it is projected to hit within a thousand mile radius depending on the size, let us say it is the size of a......let's say it is two miles wide within a thousand miles of your residence. To quote an individual, "kiss your butts goodbye." If you survive the initial impact, you will perish in the fires that will follow. If you survive the fires, I estimate six months of winter regardless of the time of year. Closer to nine if hits in the winter of your time. Preparation for it. If you wish to survive, the ideal thing would be wait for the fires to pass over. Bury food supplies deeply. Afterwards you would have three months with no light. Also I would suggest, be prepared to hike down to low lands. It is a bleak picture. However, I would not worry about it.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay.

Russ: last question.......oh, there's a spider next to your arm.

Linda: oh, there's a big spider next to your arm.

Omal: would you remove it please? Thank you. I know it would absolutely.........

Russ: terrify Mark.

Omal: yes. In fact he would probably break out into a cold sweat and probably lose control. Do not tell him that there was one around.

Russ: I will not.

Omal: okay.

Russ: last question. In going around today and talking to various individuals concerning the venture that I am now taking part in.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: I was discovering the use of keywords to bring across my ideas more clearly and to generate the excitement that I feel for it.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and so today was a good lesson in how to communicate using keywords to bring about an idea among people. Can we work with this in the future?

Omal: it is already being worked with. Have you not listened to what Korton has said?

Russ: yes.

Omal: have you not listened to what I have said and how I construct my sentences as does Korton?

Russ: true.

Omal: so, has not the pathway been laid?

Russ: indeed it has.

Omal: okay.

Russ: thank you.

Omal: you're welcome and I asked three questions back.

Russ: ahh, excellent.

Omal: you are welcome. Live long, prosper and, as always, I'll be back.

(Kiri is set now to bring on her three-year-old son to channel)

Russ: hi Kiri.

Kiri: yo, how big was it?

Russ: oh, it was that big.

Kiri: I think that would've wigged Mark out.

Russ: anyway, how are you doing love?

Kiri: I'm doing fine.

Russ: good, good, good.

Kiri: okay, I'm going to put on the next speaker and then I'm going to leave myself time at the end as always.

Russ: as always. Nice to have you back as the ring mistress, it's been a long time.

Kiri: uh-huh, I even have my whip handy.

Russ: okay darling.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: I'll see you shortly.

Kiri: yeah, I've got to put on the next speaker before his bedtime.

(Leonedies gets us to the end of side one)

Leonedies: greetings and felicitations and welcome.

Russ: greetings Leonedies.

Leonedies: greetings. Okay, for tonight.....greetings young lady.

Linda: greetings.

Leonedies: even though you are much older than I am in this current form, I am Daniel for tonight.

Russ: Daniel this is Linda, Linda this is Daniel.

Leonedies: no, no, no, for the editing.

Russ: oh, yes that is right. Leonedies this is Linda, Linda this is Leonedies.

Leonedies: it is a pleasure to meet you young lady.

Linda: it's a pleasure to meet you.

Leonedies: okay, it is necessary for me to intervene again in this ongoing development of the discussions. I feel that it is appropriate to ask more individuals to look for hosts to be able to channel for these coming discussions. I am prompted to do so not by the lack of interest and not by the lack of efforts. There have been many great efforts and pushing and prodding by one of the select and chosen individuals to act as a helper for for the forum. However, it is my belief and the opinions of others that it would be beneficial to layout a challenge as it were.

Russ: a challenge?

Leonedies: for other races to show that they are superior by participating. I believe and feel strongly that it is necessary to lay forth the groundwork for these discussions by showing that these participating races are superior in their compassion and understanding, will be beneficial for all parties involved. This being the action desired, so therefore......





(Leonedies returns to the subject at hand)

Leonedies: by helping to formulate a plan that is necessary for the development of the evolution of a species is beneficial to all parties, even those that are superior morally and more sophisticated in their spirituality.........I'm sorry, I shouldn't speak so fast.

Russ: that's all right.

Leonedies: it is desired to help. Okay, questions.

Russ: yes, what are the coming changes in our possible advancement in the
Defcon? Don't the other races understand that there are inherent problems in this future that we face?

Leonedies: yes.

Russ: and they're not warning anybody about them?

Leonedies: some are.

Russ: well, those are the ones we should be talking to, right? Because they understand also the need for change.

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Leonedies: I can't give you their names.

Russ: I know.

Leonedies: that is too much interfering on my part.

Russ: right. But it's something to work with anyway.

Leonedies: yes.

Russ: hmm, okay. Now, somebody in Northern California calls herself Lady Aleon Ashtar Athena.

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Russ: and claims to be actually
Ashtar Athena. Is that actually a channel for Ashtar Athena then?

Leonedies: what do you think?

Russ: I think it is but it seems to me she would be somebody that we could approach but only in the respect that she might know others who can help us.

Leonedies: uh-huh. It is likely that she is a channel for
Ashtar Athena. However, it is also very, very likely that she has let herself become involved. Remember one of the criteria. That being that an individual that is a host must not let their personality or individuality or their own plans, desires and dreams get in the way.

Russ: hmm. So
Ashtar Athena could be working through her to bring about the necessary changes.

Leonedies: uh-huh. But unfortunately, she has let her own personality and her judgment get involved.

Russ: oh.

Leonedies: somebody that calls themselves
Lady Aleon Ashtar Athena has obviously done that. Would it not be correct?

Russ: well that's true.

Leonedies: so Ashtar Athena, knowing her as well as I do, would probably grin to bear this and continue to work through her.

Russ: hmmm. Okay.

Leonedies: but you see what I'm saying.

Russ: right, I see what you're saying. An interesting new thing that has come up is the fact that the Zeta Reticuli are getting more media attention lately.

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Russ: and so it's possible then we could go ahead and, well hopefully find somebody else who can channel with them.

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Russ: but being as they're a collective consciousness, isn't it kind of tough for them to actually use a channel for anything? Because they speak with one mind.

Leonedies: they've done it in the past and they'll do it again.

Russ: oh.

Leonedies: it will be difficult to find somebody that they all agree on and are prepared to use.

Russ: right.

Leonedies: okay, I can only answer maybe two more questions as....

Russ: you've have to go to bed.

Leonedies: no, well yes but also being of a little body and having consumed a large quantity of fluid of the fermented grass variety....

Russ: okay.

Leonedies: that is white, I think you call it milk?

Russ: ahh, yes.

Leonedies: it is pressuring my little bladder.

Russ: ahh, okay. Well we'll keep it easy, we'll just give you one more question.

Leonedies: okay.

Russ: okay. With Monka's statements that we have now......

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Russ: and the various other help that we've got, then you mentioned bringing about more channels or more people looking for channels...

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Russ: to help with this whole entire situation.

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Russ: that goes on the web?

Leonedies: yes.

Russ: but when we tried that before we didn't really get that much.

Leonedies: what did Sananda say? Patience.

 Russ: patience.

Leonedies: and don't crucify yourself, he's had experience at that. Okay, I gotta go.

Russ: all right, bye.

Linda: bye.

(Kiri takes her son's place in the channeling field)

Kiri: and off my son toddles.

Russ: he's only three, right?

Kiri: uh-huh. When he comes wandering back, I need to put his sleeper on him and then I will let Mark take care of putting him to bed.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: okay?

Linda: umm.

Kiri: yes?

Linda: oh, no questions.

Kiri: oh, okay.

(Kiri blows a raspberry)

(Karra is the next speaker to channel)

Karra: hello. Hi Linda.

Linda: hello.

Russ: how you doing darling?

Karra: I'm doing good. I think between Tia and Kiri, tonight has been a very informative night.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: not only did Tia arrange for Taal, Kiri decided to let Leonedies stay up and participate.

Russ: that was unexpected.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: he is very good at this.

Karra: yes, although he does let his speed of thought process get in the way of his vocal communications.

Russ: true.

Karra: hmm, apparently that's what you have when you're an eighth dimensional being trapped in a sixth dimensional body. Learning to slow down his thought processes.

Russ: yeah, here it is, at the Sedona Journal of Emergence.....yeah, here she is, Ashtar Athena.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: yeah, down in Mount Shasta. See, that's her, right there.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: very flowery.

Karra: what did Leonedies say?

Russ: "we of the brotherhood would like to share a heartfelt glimpse into the events that will be transpiring in your very near future and thus serve and offer encouragement to all".

Karra: that's Ashtar Athena we all know and love.

Russ: yeah, that's Ashtar Athena indeed. She came and talked through Mark once.

Linda: oh.

Russ: it sounded pretty much the same thing.

Karra: very flowery.

Russ: very flowery. Well, I think you've have got to look for keywords in her stuff.

Karra: oh very much so.

Russ: well she does achieve quite bit that needs to be done to help us get through this next session.

Karra: well she is a very good, what would you call it, public relations?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: she is so eloquent. And it is not very often that she will answer questions, or if she does, she will lead the individual by the hand through the questions that she is prepared answer by setting up comments that are open to asking the questions.

Russ: true. Well we'll have to work at least.......does she have a web page?

Karra: probably.

Russ: maybe she would be good to actually contact......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: it'll bit of an idea a little bit so far on what....

Karra: whilst Russ is pontificating on his searching, Linda, do you have any questions?

Linda: I was just curious. Does stress cause acne or split ends?

Karra: no, split ends no. A lot of sun damage, washing your hair too much believe it or not will cause split ends.

Linda: hmm.

Karra: eating incorrectly can cause split ends. A lot of sunlight, definitely.

Linda: I don't get that much sun because I've got really fair skin.

Karra: brushing your hair a lot will cause split ends.

Linda: yeah.

Karra: so will static electricity believe it or not.

Linda: that sounds like it might do that.

Karra: uh-huh. Acne, again that can be related to diet. Stress? Not really. If a imbalance in testosterone occurs, again that will produce acne believe it or not.

Linda: uh-huh.

Karra: depending on the amount of imbalance depends on how big the outbreak is. If you suddenly develop serious acne, I would get very concerned that you have a high testosterone imbalance.

Linda: in my chin area, five years ago.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: I had a dramatic change in my life.

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: I suddenly became very.........I wasn't a day sleeper anymore, I became a type of person that would sleep while I was walking.

Karra: hmm.

Linda: and I would go out in the nighttime and I was very fascinated with poetry and the only way I found myself able to memorize poetry was by seeing it.

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: and I thought well maybe that had something to do with the acne on my chin that was breaking out because I was going through a lot of stress at the time too.

Karra: well the thing is that stress can increase the testosterone imbalance. Everybody needs testosterone.

Linda: yes.

Karra: we have less than they do. Meaning us women as opposed to those men.

Linda: yeah.

Karra: so if our testosterone suddenly increases, we're more masculine but are bodies aren't designed to be more masculine.

Linda: no they're aren't.

Karra: the estrogen and everything gets suppressed and we develop things like facial hair, acne, so on. And for it to realign, it may take some time. Also it can cause such problems as sleeping, sleeping becomes difficult. Another thing that is another cause of acne which again is creating an imbalance in the chemicals in our bodies increasing the testosterone.....

Linda: yeah.

Karra: is withdrawal symptoms from drugs.

Linda: yeah.....

Karra: or going on them.

Linda: going on them is what caused that.

Karra: uh-huh. And then coming off of them can also throw the body through a loop. Sometimes to a lesser extent, sometimes to a greater extent depending on how much acne you suffered before.

Linda: never ever did I have any problems.

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: but I thought that had a lot to do with my drinking?

Karra: again, drinking will throw the body's.....

Linda: it made my skin very clear.

Karra: uh-huh. You're lucky, there are some people that are allergic to alcohol, not in a bad way, but they will develop plushing.

Linda: oh yeah, broken blood in the surface vessels.

Karra: and it is an allergic reaction to alcohol.

Linda: uh-huh.

Karra: even applying alcohol to the skin will have the same effect.

Linda: yeah, they get this complexion of an orange.

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: even though it's not orange but it basically feels and looks like it.

Karra: yes, uh-huh.

Linda: it's very red.

Karra: uh-huh. And that is one of the unfortunate things. Alcohol is a very strange drug. Too much of it obviously is very, very harmful.

Linda: yeah, too much of anything I would imagine.

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: too much of even our very own selves and no one else.

Karra: yes, being very turned in upon oneself can be a problem.

Linda: yeah.

Karra: but alcohol as I was saying is a very interesting drug. Certain forms of alcohol such as wine in very minor moderation is very good for you.

Linda: uh-huh.

Karra: it helps the digestive process, it helps the flow of blood, it can take a stressful situation and make it mellow. Other forms of alcohol have totally the opposite effect.

Linda: yeah.

Karra: it can make you very aggressive, they can make you very jumpy, very nervous, they can depress you, they can excite you, whatever.

Linda: I've seen some very, very strange behavior in my day from alcohol.

Karra: uh-huh. I've never had that, that misfortune to indulge too much in anything except for one thing.

Linda: what's that?

Karra: something I enjoy, we won't go into it at this time.

Linda: okay.

Karra: but stress, only if it's in conjunction with other things. Such as using a substance whether it is alcohol or some form of narcotic or recreational pharmaceutical can create acne so in a way yes, stress does play a part but it depends what it's in conjunction with.

Linda: you know, I'm not having any problem with it anymore.

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: but anyway, I'm just glad I don't do that anymore.

Karra: well, the way that it works from what I've seen and you sparked an interest in it......

Linda: uh-huh.

Karra: whilst I was researching, I came across a horror, horror story where they were cutting.....what's that white powder?

Russ: oh, cocaine?

Karra: cocaine. They were cutting it and they were putting in bleach.

Linda: oh my gosh, usually they use baby laxative.

Russ: bleach?

Karra: bleach.

Russ: what the hell good would that do for anybody, or bad, I mean why?

Karra: well they were adding it with I think talcum powder and bleach?

Russ: bleach and talcum powder?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: what kind of effect is that going to give you?

Karra: it just bulks it up.
But, this what I learned in my research is that because they are protective over it, and they control how it is cut, and they're in it for one purpose, money, they want as many people to stay alive as possible.

Linda: just keep it going.

Karra: just keep it going. Because if people start dying from their product, they're out of business.

Linda: yeah, in fact in some of the major cities, heroin has their very own name brand.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: China white.

Linda: there's all these different names.

Karra: pixie dust.

Russ: you have been doing your research darling.

Karra: dream dust, Angel dust....sorry?

Russ: you have been doing some research.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: hey, I've got access to computer systems I never had access before.

(she is now an ambassador instead of a healer)

Russ: well that's true.

Karra: so, in a way, my advice is first of all don't slip back but if you do go for a government employee. They try to keep you alive.

Linda: yeah.

Karra: yeah, but you're not going to slip back.

Linda: it's going to be very easy to stay clean.

Russ: if lessons weren't tough, they wouldn't be lessons sometimes.

Karra: that's right.

Russ: anyway I wanted, if you could, if you see Leonedies tonight before he goes to bed, thank him for me for giving me a kick in the butt and giving me the boost in the right direction.

Karra: did he rip your shields down?

Russ: no actually, he left them alone.

Karra: hmm, because I saw him power up in an aggressive power stance and then he backed down.

Russ: no, he saw me getting defensive all of a sudden.

Karra: ahhh.

Russ: as soon as he started to say, "I would like to address....boom"

Karra: you know, that wouldn't have worked against him.

Russ: I know.

Karra: he would've just dismantled them and you wouldn't even have known.

Russ: yeah I know, he's pretty good. But after that that many years I would be too I suppose.

Karra: uh-huh. What, three years?

Russ: yeah. That is a good push in the right direction though. If we can get submissions and get them to where they will take them......

Karra: I thought his wording was very risky until he explained what he's up to.

Russ: well I think the key is, I think we need to submit some stuff we've already put on the webpage. For example, some of that special stuff.

Karra: uh-huh. I think that would go under the title of the conference section. That's why I think he did the Daniel routine.

Russ: you're right.

Karra: kettles boiling.

Russ: yeah, indeed it is. Want me to leave the tape on or.....

Karra: yeah, we can chat for a moment.

Russ: sure.

Karra: girls chat.

Russ: there you go. I'll get the tea ready. Earl Gray coming up.

Karra: okay. So, where was I? Oh yeah. When I was doing my research, I covered a lot of other substances.

Linda: uh-huh. My favorite substance is just to be dwelling within my own curiosity and like I believe every month is set up for certain seeds that are meant to grow.

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: and I know that is not able in every part of the world....

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: but I just believe America was meant to be set up in certain astrology signs of each person knowing their seeds.

Karra: yes, uh-huh. Getting back to recreational pharmaceuticals for a moment.....

Linda: okay.

Karra: it seems to me that the more harmful ones are the ones that are created by the humans. If you use things like cannabis or what do you call it? Marijuana.

Linda: yeah, that is not made by humans.

Karra: no and it is far, far less damaging than alcohol or tobacco.

Karra: also in my reseach.....

Linda: it opens the mind for new relations and ideas.

Karra: you'll love this one. Also in my research.....

Russ: hmm?

Karra: I discovered that natural recreational pharmaceuticals such as marijuana, chewing cocoa leaves, those little tiny mushrooms, right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: don't make you aggressive.

not at all. Not unless you're confronted but that would happen even if you were clean and sober.

Karra: correct. Unless you are pushed and pushed and pushed. In fact it's even harder with the cocoa leaves and marijuana. However, as soon as humans start interfering, manipulating and adding and cutting and whatever....

Linda: it's like being woken up out of a sound sleep and that sometimes is considered violent, people wake up shaking.

Karra: yeah, uh-huh. But the thing that I discovered was that things like crank, coke, speed, amphetamines and so on, all of those non-natural interfered with substances, people get aggressive on.

Russ: well acid they don't.

Karra: no, acid they don't, true. But the majority of them they do.

Russ: yeah.

Karra: but yet the natural ones that aren't interfered with, people say as a rule, and 100% with marijuana, they still real mellow and placid. I'm not saying that any of them are good, I don't understand why your government wants to control and interfere with them. The fact that we don't have any laws like that on my planet. The only ones that we have our basically you don't kill, you don't steal. That's basically it, isn't it Russ?

Russ: pretty much.

Linda: well are people forced to live on top of each other? Like you know how the TV flips on and on and on and goes up and down?

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: that's like as many different houses as they have living on top of each other.

Karra: yeah and that again is confusing for me.

Linda: that is mass confusion.

Karra: uh-huh. The population of Sirius is probably no more than maybe fifteen or twenty million individuals.

Russ: on the whole planet?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: that's not even the size of L.A..

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm, interesting.

Karra: if you notice, most of the families that are here on the base or the individuals that you've talked to from various families, they don't have big families.

Russ: no.

Karra: partly due to the fact that....

Russ: but you live for a thousand years, I'm surprised you don't have population problems.

Karra: that's partly it. I mean, how old was Kiri when she had Alex?

Russ: she was like 35.

Karra: no.

Russ: I don't know, oh 50.

Karra: uh-huh. Actually she was 54 I think.

Russ: that's right.

Karra: uh-huh, which is like a teenager.

Russ: right.

Karra: but if you look at Lyka, she has I think two brothers and two sisters and that ages are stretched out. The only family that I know that is big is the Tenuvial family.

(the family of Leah and Bunny)

Russ: I guess so. You live for a thousand years, you have three rejuvenations....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: you have all the time to make kids, why not, make kids?

Karra: well I'm an exception, I love children.

Russ: well yeah, you are exceptional.

Karra: uh-huh. But on average, I mean my father is one of three children. My grandfather.......

Russ: that's comparable for a life down here of 70 years.

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: well why overpopulat though? Why not enjoy life and always......?

Russ: well that's what they do.

Linda: why not enjoy life and always enhance on your own mind to become more intelligent.....

Karra: that's what we do.

Linda: because quality is more important then quantity.

Karra: exactly. Quality is much more important. As my sister briefly mentioned, she enjoys making love a lot. I would say that's probably her primary........her main addiction.

Linda: well it's an enjoyable addiction.

Russ: well it's healthy anyway.

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: depending on the addiction.

Karra: uh-huh. It's not an overriding passion in her life. It's not her life is spent purely in the pursuit of sexual activity or antics....

Linda: yeah, I wouldn't think that that is.

Karra: no but it's something that is more than the occasional recreational hobby for her. She's blushing.

Linda: I am too.

Russ: we should probably put her on too though, I think she has a little bit left to go before the end?

Karra: okay, I will depart.

Linda: good night, it was nice talking to you.

Karra: see you later. Yes, it's always a pleasure, bye.

Linda: bye-bye.

Russ: bye darling.

(Kiri finishes things up)

Russ: hi Kiri.

Kiri: yo.

Russ: I don't like to boot Karra but I had the feeling you were gonna run out of tape here if we didn't do something real quick.

Kiri: okay, me and my sexual activities. She overstates things.

Russ: well I wouldn't call it an addiction so much.....

Kiri: hey, I enjoy it.

Russ: it's all good. Hey, so do I.

Kiri: uh-huh. If people didn't enjoy making love.........and it's not sexual's a quest for making love, big difference. I love giving this talk. The difference between sex and making love is sex is for recreation, for mutual pleasure, and a fun way of passing the time.

Linda: yeah.

Kiri: making love is a gift. A gift from one person to another, the gift of the body. It's a completion, it's the ultimate gift. It's for bringing children into the world. Sex, anybody can have sex. The cats have sex, dogs have sex. Making love takes intelligence and it is a gift.

Kiri: uh-huh?

Linda: foreplay.

Kiri: foreplay. Foreplay for me is something that should take a long time, longer the better, and is an opportunity to size up the person that you're going to indulge with.

Russ: I'm going to check on the tea and see how the tea is doing. It should be cooking well by now.

Kiri: one of the things that I've learned over the years is that when in getting into foreplay, is that you can take your chosen victim, partner as far as you want. It depends on what your intent is. If you want to find out more about the person and you're in the mood and you're getting warmed up and you're going through the foreplay and you get to the point where. "okay, do I really want to go all the way with this individual? Do I want to give myself to them or do I want to let them give themselves to me?" At that point you can continue the act but it's not fulfilled, it's sort of like a one off? There's no sexual union.

Linda: okay.

Kiri: it's mechanical at that point, there's no penetration, it's purely for want of a better word handwork. There's no penetration into any part of the body and it's designed in such a way that it's to finish off the emotion for them and to let them go their way. However, I find that if the person is appealing to me that they are kind of person that I want to indulge and have a sexual union all the way, then I will give myself to them and normally nine times out of ten up here it's a mutual given, we both give to each other. It's very important to feel comfortable, it's very important if you know what I mean.

Linda: yeah.

Kiri: I mean it doesn't matter, as was stated earlier, whether it's two people of the same sex or male-female, I enjoy either. It is a spiritual gift. It's the ultimate gift. Giving of oneself to another person, can you think of anything more precious? Total submission to the other person.

Linda: yeah, I agree.

Kiri: uh-huh. So it has to be something very special for me to go all the way, to go the whole intimate, not only the physical, but the mental and the spiritual.

Linda: and you really judge by age up there?

Kiri: no. I've had partners that have been three, four, 500 years older than myself.

Linda: oh my goodness.

Kiri: I've had partners that are 30, 40 years younger than myself. So age is irrelevant due to the fact that we have a technician that is sitting opposite me and her nickname is Teene.

Linda: uh-huh.

Kiri: and she looks about 17.

Linda: oh my goodness, that's pretty young.

Kiri: well, she's not. About three, four years ago she had a body rejuvenation. All her external cells and materials were totally rejuvenated. Her heart, lungs, liver were also rejuvenated. Her uterus, womb, fallopian tubes, everything was totally rejuved apart from her brain. She is over 300 years old.

Linda: oh my goodness.

Kiri: so how can you tell if somebody's just 17 or 300? So that takes away the age factor. Also the fact that we're more spiritually inclined. To us, the intimate act of making love is almost or is a spiritual act. It's a form of worship, you're worshiping the body of another person. Whether it's with hands, mouth, tongue, any part of the anatomy, it is an act of worship. And there's nothing wrong with making love. I mean how can it be wrong? I mean something that gives pleasure. I can't understand that some of your religions would say that it's wrong.

Linda: I think they try to control people in that fact. In fact, a lot of people were raised to not even love or take care of our own self just because we are raised, be forced to be either taking care of someone else.......
Kiri: uh-huh.

Linda: or we are forced to be taken care of.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Linda: and that is pretty much how they set up the financial......

Kiri: yeah, the financial setups and everything.

Linda: yes exactly. And so they figure well if you don't care about yourself, it's like don't bother caring about yourself because you're not going to have yourself for long anyway. Someone else is going to probably going to end up taking care of you.

Kiri: yeah.

Linda: so it's like don't get too attached.

Kiri: yeah, that's the marriage thing, right? Yeah. Marriage, we call it bonding up here and we do bond for life.

Linda: uh-huh.

Kiri: but that doesn't stop individuals from going off and having extracurricular activity, affairs as you would call them.

Linda: oh.

Kiri: but they're not classified as affairs. The fact that we have access to our past lives the we know how we interacted in previous lives with various people or all the people that we have interacted with.......

Linda: uh-huh.

Kiri: and whether it's for fun, to pass the time, as a gift, or just to bring pleasure, it doesn't matter, there is no jealousy created by that. However, I think if I was to, no, I don't even think that would come into the equation. I've had quite a few sexual partners in my life. I will not hide that fact, it's enjoyable. Since I've been hanging around those guys, that's Russ and Mark, I started putting notches in my belt.

Linda: uh-huh.

Kiri: I'm joking. I don't have a belt that I put notches in. But it's giving oneself as opposed to just making another person happy, having sex. I mean what's wrong with it? I mean jealousy doesn't enter into the equation the fact that I can go off and if I wanted to I could sleep with Taal.

Linda: hmm.

Kiri: that's not wrong, I'm giving myself to him willingly, I'm consenting. I know my bond mate would probably just shrug his shoulders and go , "hey, Kiri, you're your own girl." It's for fun, it's for enjoyment. How you bring pleasure is the important thing. I mean what did Omal say? He said that I was good-looking, right?

Linda: uh-huh.

Kiri: yeah, so I am.

Russ: he use the term knockout.

Kiri: hey, I'm not a knockout.

Russ: I'm quoting.

Kiri: uh-huh. But......

Russ: well a lot of religion's restrictions on sex has to do with the transmission of sexual diseases.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: it was basically killing off a lot of the royal family of early England and Europe.

Kiri: their inbreeding was killing off more effectively than sexually-transmitted diseases.

Russ: true. So I mean they had to pass some kind of religious laws concerning it.......

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: to stop that from happening.

Kiri: but I can understand on your planet you do have those risks and there are ways of minimizing those risks.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: I'm not advocating, what would you call it? Promise.....

Russ: promiscuity.

Kiri: yeah, I'm not advocating that. If I lived on your planet, I would be very, very selective in my partners, very selective. The fact that the third dimensional male attitude as a rule, the few third dimensional males that I've met in channeling sessions and discussed things with our very...... what's Tia's favorite word, chauvinistic?

Russ: yeah, you're talking about Johnny.

Kiri: yeah, I mean that would turn me off to third dimensional males right up if I had met Johnny before I met......

(Russ to Linda)

Russ: Johnny was the gentleman who lived here prior to....

Linda: oh.

Russ: tried to pick up on Tia whose how many million miles away.

Kiri: and she slapped him around very hard, I thought she was was going to rip him a new one.

Russ: he was all drunk.

Linda: sorry that happened. That happens to me a lot too.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Linda: you wouldn't believe some of the men that have to come onto me.

Kiri: well I'll tell you a trick that may work.

You: and I suggested turning around and saying, "well, I would be interested but I'll have to talk to my girlfriend first.


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