Problems of the World and Its Group Consciousness-

Channeled  (06/08/1997)

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Archivist Notes: As we get into the channeling session for the month of October, we don't have very many notes to go over apart from what will be posted on our main summary below. What we do have is that this is one of the unusual sessions where they let Tia use most of the first half to go over the stock market and world events. Those who are new to our site, we'd like to explain that Tia is the head of one of the data collection units that monitor earth to help the base predict future events. We get the asset of her research during her times channeling. Another note we should add is that Tia and I often got into discussions that covered both sides of the political aisle. While she has a more conservative view on governments, mine is more liberal and lead to lively back and forth that take place during her time talking in this session. Something else that is noteworthy is the coincidental timeliness of the subjects where the stock market is experiencing similar changes as she describes and confidential documents being found where they shouldn't have been. Next we have Omal who uses what little time is left on the side to go over some of the areas Tia covered so that they can be tied together. That is how side two starts with Omal showing how all of them are related in ways that point to a direction our society is heading. Our next honored speaker is Ashtar himself who has come on to help at the request from Mark about a defense mechanism that can be triggered to protect against negative thoughts from outside of our group. What he describes is a bit mysterious but we move on after that to the development of the group consciousness of the planet. His message is to continue to develop our knowledge and mental skills. Karra takes over as speaker from there to help me grasp better what Ashtar was discussing. All the heavy information I got takes it to a point where she wished to lighten the mood. So she skipped giving her planned dissertation and what we get into instead is a fascinating discussion on the role a medic in the Sirian Defense Force.  She was a member once and goes over what medics have to do when confronted by patients needing help amidst an invasion by a superior number of opponents. We finally wrap this up with Kiri who comes on to work with me on some changes to the web page she'd like to see. We learn through our discussion about the months on Sirius that determines a person's birth month. Hers was on the month of the cold moons which we worked out to be somewhere near December. We even get to find out Tia's birth month.

On our latest channeling session through Mark Crocker, we have Ashtar himself honoring us with a visit. Tia begins things with a dissertation and discussion that covers a lot of ground and most of the first side of the tape. We had planned to go over the webpage and making improvements on it though it is Kiri who adds her input about it at the end. Tia on the other hand, has been monitoring the stock market of 1997 along with anything newsworthy to share her thoughts on with our group. This was at a time where were reminded from her announcement that the stock market had hit 8000 points compared to the 7000 it had been back in November. While she was amazed at the quick rise during those months, it has gained 20,000 points beyond that in the intervening years. She moves on to politics and how scandals are affecting both parties. This was a time of Vince Foster, Monica Lewinsky, the Lincoln Bedroom, and Whitewater so there was a lot for her to cover. On the international front, she covers a big gold selloff by the Australians, the rioting in Northern Ireland putting pressure on a new prime minister, and how all of this is connected. With about four minutes left, Omal takes over from where Tia left off and covers many of the subjects from his point of view. He quickly summarizes a number of the points she brought up and looks at the connection but clean them all from his overall bigger picture. With the tape ending, it was on the side two to hear his conclusions.

The tape starts up and Omal explains the relation of the subjects he identified showing they all have negative control in factors regarding the evolution of the mind. One thing the base look for above all else was how the group consciousness of our planet was doing. The negative factor he identified was governments desire to support those who may be hurt by that support. The topic would come up again later on when Karra would channel in her discussion about medics in the Sirian Defense Force. Omal makes way for his boss, Ashtar who was on the base with Korton for some council meetings. Mark had requested his advice on a problem he identified as negative thoughts being directed at our group. Ashtar had some advice that would be hard to describe enough to be practical as his instructions are a bit cryptic. The bulk of his dissertation is on how to sever a connection to a group consciousness. He describes a defense mechanism that can be act abated by calling on a person's higher self. He does say at the end how to help in raising up the group consciousness of the planet. That brings on Karra who helps in getting a better understanding of what Ashtar was discussing. The conversation leads to her relating a story she heard about a young medic who had heroically saved six wounded soldiers while under fire. He survived all of that yet was almost killed by a shuttle craft coming in for a landing. Of course this all takes place on the third dimension where the Sirian Defense Force upholds the oaths that Sirius has made to its sister worlds. We end with a question of whether to help others over yourself to a fault. She explains how best to decide what helping someone means. Kiri is our final speaker and has some thoughts on making some updates in the Hades Base News webpage. The up dating question is birthdays and we learn why Sirians do not celebrate them, especially when you have a lifespan of nearly a thousand years. We learn though that she was born in the month of the cold moon which we deduced meant it was probably around December. We learn that Tia was born on her home planet of  Durondedunn in the month of the horny deer.
In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra

TIA- Ring Mistress MARK CROCKER (Channel)


1.)(0:00)- Tia spends most of the side going over fluctuations in the stock market, scandals being investigated in the government and issues taking place across the planet that are part of her research.
2.)(30:42)- Omal only has a few minutes and uses them to again highlight the global events taking place around the world. He puts then all in context that he will bring all together when he finishes on side two.


1.)(0:00)- Omal explains how all of the world events are related to one another but in a positive way. What he sees is something that is keeping people from being more independent.
2.)(4:05)- Ashtar offers a dissertation on defending the group consciousness of our little group that gathers for the channeling sessions but also about defending the group consciousness of the planet.
3.)(11:31)- Karra brings a less serious side to the channeling session and helps clarify what Ashtar said. We also have a discussion on medics on a battlefield and the hard choices that have to be made.
4.)(28:14)- Kiri gets us to the end of the tape with a discussion on changes to the webpage as far as her age. From that we find that she was born on the moon of the cold nights which roughly means our winter.

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(Tia gives a side one dissertation)

Russ: we're live. Constructive webpage additions.......

Tia: okay.

Russ: from Tia.

Tia: yes?

Russ: okay, I thought you had something already ready to go. You were just waiting for me to just....

Tia: you left it kind of hanging like you're going to say something. It's sort of like......

Russ: well I put a title in front of it.

Tia: oh, is that what you're going to call it?

Russ: yeah, constructive webpage additions from Tia.

Tia: can't you think of any better name?

Russ: Tia's constructive webpage additions.

Tia: don't worry about it. Okay. Well, remember about a month ago I made the comment about the stock market going through the 8000 mark.

Russ: uh-huh, you said it looked like it would go through the 8000 mark.

Tia: well I'm going to say definitely.

Russ: definitely, all right.

Tia: uh-huh, definitely going to go through the 8000 mark. Today it set another new record.

Russ: another new record?

Tia: 30th of the year. This year, the stock market has grown 24%, which actually only about 23 1/2 but let's round it up for the sake of argument. 24%, now what does that tell us? Well it's grown almost a quarter in size.

Russ: so does this look forward to then another hike in the interest rates?

Tia: no. No, no because the economy is slowing down. And with the economy slowing down, inflation is also slowing down.

Russ: good, that's a positive.

Tia: that is a positive. However, the economy and the stock market are linked in a way. If the economy slows down, right? And interest rates aren't hiked, right? That means that the stock market is going to grow but, if the economy is slowing down, what does that mean? Well that means that people aren't producing or being as active as they were which means that there's not as much going on as before.

Russ: well now you confused me. Because as I remember......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: with a stock market going up, that means there's more money to be invested because there's more money being made. The more money to be invested means a growth in the economy.

Tia: not......

Russ: slow as it is, there will still be a growth.

Tia: yes, true but, as the economy slows, this affects the stock market.

Russ: so you're saying we're looking at a drop in the stock market then coming up?

Tia: well I've always said that, haven't I?

Russ: well yeah, but you never pointed out what point.

Tia: no, and I'm not going to point out what point at the moment because it's all projections that are based on certain events happening. One of my comments was about the stock market, not the stock market, the economy slowing down and that it hasn't grown as robustly as people claim or would like. What is normal is that the economy grows at about 7% a year, normally. It hasn't hasn't done this in over eight years. Why hasn't it done this in over eight years? Well, there was a mini recession, that was one of factors. So, why is the stock market growing when it's not a growing economy at its normal rate? I think they talk about 4.5% being great and incredible when in actual fact 7% is the normal, or so far this century is the normal. But, looking at these factors, that the economy is not growing as rapidly as would be liked. Well, the stock market, because of the lack of increases in interest rates, goes crazy. People can invest, spend their money within the stock market, increase the productivity of the stock market, bumping up the price of shares. Now the amount of shares that are around has grown but it hasn't grown at the same level as a stock market has grown. The only thing that's making the start market grow is the price of shares. For example, let's say last year you put in $100, right? That hundred dollars is now worth a hundred and twenty three and half dollars, okay? Which is 23 1/2% increase for the one share, okay? To say that there is more out there is wrong. To say that the price of the shares have increased is correct but not the quantity. It may have gone up only three or 4%, the amount of shares out there, so why the big difference? Well the difference is caused by the lack of increasing interest rates which makes the stock more interesting to investors. But what happens if the economy slows down and there is less money out there to invest in the stock market? Well people start to pull their money out and what happens? When people pull the money out, it goes down. When it goes down problems occur. More people panic and they pull out. Sometimes people will say, "okay they're profit-taking there" but it depends on the actions and how big. For a stock market to jump hundred plus points in a single day is pretty unusual. And the fact that this has been going on for six months and eight days is kind of a little bit unusual that it would grow so rapidly and violently. It only seems a little while ago I believe back in November that it broke the 6000 mark, do you remember?

Russ: 7000 mark.

Tia: okay, 7000. But reaching the 7000 mark took it a very long time, at least four years. The fact that now, all of a sudden, it is close to the 8000 mark in six months and eight days since the turn of the year, is a little bit alarming to me the fact that people are investing so rapidly. I see in my predictions this trend will continue. That people will pump money into the stock market, buying more shares, increasing the value of shares. But, actions occurring at this time externally are what is inflating the stock market. A, the lack of a heightened interest rate to slow the economy, it's doing it naturally. Inaction by the government, action by the government that is causing the economy to slow. At the moment is a golden time. Okay, that covers the stock market in today's events. Let's move on to something that is slightly related or that I brought up at the end. Okay, the inaction of the government. The government is currently concerned with internal, domestic problems. I.e., the White House. Okay, we have going on at the moment at the White House the investigation of Vince Foster's death. The, I think it's.....her name's Paula Jones? The Paula Jones thing going on. That is in court, that is happening right now. It's not in the preliminary stages, it's happening right now, it's going on. The Whitewater investigations, still going on. Campaign finance reforms and investigations into irregularities of individuals within both the Republican party and the Democratic party but focused mainly on the Republican Party, why? We'll get to that in the second. Lastly and not least, very serious, very, very serious matter that is only just starting to come to light. I can't remember the gentleman's name except for it ends with a Wong. In his safe, was found ten confidential governmental documents that had no right being there. And they weren't originals, they were copies, photocopies. He had no authorization to have these documents. Do you know where his office is?

Russ: in the White House?

Tia: correct. Okay, so we have these five events going on. Okay, now let's look at the one that just started today, campaign finance. Okay, let us look at campaign finance. There's a Republican that admitted and handed back the money that was given to him. Okay, he handed the money back, he admitted it. Subsequently I believe that he has stepped down and said, "I did wrong, I have paid the money back". He's done the honorable thing, he admitted it. He gave the money back and it was only maybe $200,000. Now let us look at something a little bit more serious. First of all let me preface it by when George Bush sent out letters of briefings to contributors which is a perfectly legitimate move on White House stationery, it caused a big uproar. Now, this has been compared to what is happening right now. The selling of Lincoln bedroom, the renting out for $100,000, to $200,000 a night to people that in contribute to the White House or Democratic national Congress. Here's a problem. It is illegal to accept, and this is in your government's policies and procedures book, it is illegal to accept contribute to nations in the White House for any person of political, of a political organization at all. It doesn't matter if you are let's say a member of the Green party and you are given $20 in the White House, that is illegal. To give a donation to stay in the White House for $100,000 to $200,000 a night is illegal due to the fact that you're giving the person who more than likely is a member of a political organization the money. You can give it to somebody that works there that is not affiliated with any party. But as soon as that person gives the money within the White House to another person it is illegal is against the law, end of story. But, and this is what they're saying, is that the money was not given inside the White House. But still they are renting out a government building to people, anybody. If you had $200,000 dollars, Russ, and you went to the Democratic national Congress and said, "I would like to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom, here's $200,000, I would also like to meet Bill Clinton, they would do it. They wouldn't ask you where you got your money from her how you got it. They may look into your background to see if you have more. Okay, some of these characters or people that have stayed at the White House have been foreign businessmen. This is where it starts to get tricky. Another person was a member of an Arkansas restaurant business. Wang June I believe was his name. He contributed $150,000. Subsequently he has been found that he was given the money by oriental businessmen from Singapore and Hong Kong. Those businessmen had links to another person that's living in the United States named Charlie Tree. Charlie Tree has subsequently disappeared and the only person that can get a hold of him is Tom Brokaw. Whenever he contacts him, he claims that he is living just outside Shanghai. Charlie Tree is also another person that paid an exorbitant amount of money to stay at the Lincoln bedroom. Charlie Tree also has friends in the......I wouldn't let him in at the moment if I was you, there's two fighting. Charlie Tree is refusing to return to the United States of America. A gentleman by the name of Wang whatever is refusing to talk to the finance committee about any of his fundraising efforts but is willing to talk about his espionage charge. He is currently unable to be contacted. There have been some long distance telephone calls to try get hold of him. Today at the start of the investigation, John Glenn made a statement about investigating a Republican and saying that he had pictures and he presented slideshow and this is old news. He also said that Mr. Wang would talk to the committee but wanted immunity from prosecution on anything to do with the house, not the house, the finance reform scheme of the Democrats. He would answer questions only on the espionage charge. Mr. Wang also happens know Charlie Tree. So it's all it's all revolving around one person who is unable to be got hold of except by Tom Brokaw which is very, very strange. Very strange. Okay, now, let us look at how much money was raised. Do you know how much money was raised by the Democrats?

Russ: twelve million?

Tia: no. 15 million. A lot of money, a lot of money. Very scary isn't it so far? Okay, this is where it starts to get real interesting. Let us look a little closer at this web. Why do they want to stay in the Lincoln bedroom? Where's the money coming from?

Russ: for favored nation status.

Tia: uh-huh. Now what does China get out of most favored nation status?

Russ: they get favorable trading conditions.

Tia: uh-huh. They get free access to American markets, American markets have free access to them. How much actual business goes to China?

Russ: well, as I remember right, the actual amount of business that goes to China is approximately 2% of their whole gross national income.

Tia: very, very little, isn't it? Very little but coming here it's higher, a lot higher. Now, by getting this, most favored trade status by sponsoring individuals going to the White House, what is in essence is Bill Clinton doing?

Russ: well what he is trying to do build up a stable market relationship and open the markets to the Chinese.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: which in light of the fact that they are financially actually well-off, it's not a bad idea, if it works.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: this is just a personal opinion....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: but I feel that the Chinese takeover of Hong Kong is going to have a lot of influence on that as far as capitalism being one of the major contributors.

Tia: you didn't hear what happened to the gold market today.

Russ: no.

Tia: okay, the Australians dumped a whole load of gold on the market and dropped the price dramatically. Now, there are major three major trading areas in the world that deal with gold. One is London, one is New York and the other one is where?

Russ: I don't know, Beijing?

Tia: Hong Kong.

Russ: oh.

Tia: the gold market overall, because Australia dumped a lot of gold on the market, dropped the price. You see, the thing is with taking Hong Kong, is it fits very nicely into a nice picture the Chinese are trying to manipulate. They can isolate it. The fact that they brought in 20,000 troops into Hong Kong means that they can control it. It can go on as it was before, isolated from the mainland because of the troops. Nothing has changed for Hong Kong.

Russ: I understand about the gold, why would that have influence on Hong Kong?

Tia: because Hong Kong is one of the world's leading traders for gold.

Russ: right.

Tia: the price of gold goes down, right?

Russ: right.

Tia: it goes down in Hong Kong, New York and London.

Russ: will that hurt the Chinese?

Tia: it hurts everybody, it hurts everybody. You see, your government can think it's getting into the Chinese markets through Hong Kong.

Russ: right.

Tia: but the fact that Hong Kong is just a trade center distributing to other places in the world. For sample, let us say, okay your guys go, "okay we're going 'to send you a million pairs of Nikes, right? We're going to send it through Hong Kong, the Chinese government". "Great, okay, bring it in". Let's say each pair of Nikes cost the Chinese $20, right?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: they bring into their country, right? They turn around, bring it into Hong Kong they turn around and they can sell it to Great Britain, Australia, Canada, back to US to all sorts of business the world over for let's say $40. It's never even entered into mainland China and the money is pointing to the Chinese coffers. American thinks that it's importing into China but it's not, very clever, very, very smart. So you see what's happening? Okay, lastly but not least, Northern Ireland. What a trial of a new prime minister. Last year when John Major was in power, or in power, he did not allow the marches, well not all of them, he allowed some of them and they were controlled very, very tightly and were only allowed to march so far. This year, a new prime minister and he goes, "okay, we'll let them march. We will have the police clear the way so that they can march in the traditional places and observe their traditional observations and return back". Oh, bad, bad call, isn't it? What happens? Last year there were little riots, very little riots, nothing major. One person was killed. Very little in loss of damage. But this year they let them march, there was mass rioting, mass burning, trains are burned, IRA gets involved. One man dies, a Protestant with a pipe bomb, his own pipe bomb. Over a hundred individuals injured in rioting where last year one man was killed and only maybe ten people were injured. Most of those are silly things. Doesn't look so good for a new prime minister, does it?

Russ: well, he just learning the ropes.

Tia: and he's not doing a very good job of it, is he?

Russ: he's working on it.

Tia: poorly, poorly. Okay, any questions?

Russ: yeah, what's Australasia? A combination of the two?

Tia: yeah, pretty much so.

Russ: I've never heard that term before.

Tia: Australasia?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: it's basically the Pacific rim. Australia, Malaysia, New Zealand, Japan, coast of China, Borneo, Sumatra, all that area. The Philippines.

Russ: all right, so how does all the problems right now that are affecting Japan....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: the Chinese market, and Australia dumping the price of gold, effect our slow growth in the stock market?

Tia: in a big way. Remember what one of the factors I said would be. External influences. Think, what's happening?

Russ: okay, next question is, how close are these occurrences in relation to what happened back in the major crash back in '28?

Tia: '29. The thing is that with today's communications, everything happens on a global scale and much faster. So therefore when it happens it's going to be much larger, much quicker, much faster because of communications being instantaneous. You can send a message halfway around the world, right? Let's say you send an email to a buddy in Australia, right? How long is it going to take your email to go from your computer to his computer?

Russ: hardly any time at all.

Tia: correct. How long is it going to take for the news of one stock market going crazy to reach other stock market?

Russ: same time it happens.

Tia: uh-huh. So?

Russ: so the mechanisms that are in place to stop that from happening will kick in a lot faster.

Tia: it might and it might not. See, the mechanisms to stop that from happening are also what's going to cause it to happen. They're keeping the prices high. Okay?

Russ: okay. Artificially high?

Tia: yes and no, yes and no. Some of the things that are happening are artificial, others aren't. There's too many to actually go into. I mean I have already taken up about 20 minutes and we have quite a few speakers to go tonight.

Russ: okay, let's get to them than.

Tia: okay.

Russ: thank you Tia.

(Omal finishes up the side)

Omal: greetings Russ, quickly let's get down to business.

Russ: alrighty.

Omal: okay, let us look at the current state of the mind of your race. Okay we have going on at present at this very moment as it happens although it is quieting down, rioting in Northern Ireland. This is not a new problem. The newspapers in your country are reporting it as Imperial colonialists enforcing their will on a small island nation. This is wrong, this is inaccurate. The majority in Northern Ireland is Protestant. The minority are Catholics. Okay, let us look at other incidences going on. Hong Kong, troops within Hong Kong, 20,000 to be precise patrolling a little island nation, why? Tia was quite correct in her analogy. It is to isolate the country. Let it continue as it was but with Chinese control. How long will it take before China, a dictatorship basically, takes total control? Well for them to do so it would be a very bad move But to open up and invite capitalism in, again would be a bad move. So, why not leave it as it is? Isolate it, control it, and you had the perfect set up. You also have extra financial and fiscal income. Okay, let's look at another matter going on. Sierra Leone, another little hot spot. The consciousness of this area is a little confusing. It seems to be an ethnic conflict. Let us move on again to the former Yugoslavia and Bosnia. The United Nations today said it would not tolerate people interfering within the elections in Bosnia. Basically it was hinting at Radovan Karadžić but in their actions and comments they themselves are interfering. Let us move on again. Let us move to I believe there was some rioting in Indonesia. What is going on there? Well, it seems........





(Omal gets us back on topic)

Omal: so, how are these things all related? Well, they are related in the fact that they are all negative controlling factors in a negative way in the evolution of the mind. China, interfering in Hong Kong and controlling Hong Kong, that is basically controlling not just a small area but a lot of a specific area. All the other incidences that involve rioting again point to a strong growth of discontent. Now, let us look at look at recent elections throughout the world. Let us start off with '96 and the election of a Democratic president to your country, basically a socialist. Let us look at France's recent election, socialist. Let us look at Mexico, little bit of an upset there, socialists win. What does this tell us? It tells us that there are selected individuals throughout your world that have got control of governments. They are saying to the people, and the people are listening, "let us take care of you. Let us help you, let us take all your worries away and we will make things better. You do not have to worry". What is this doing, Russ?

Russ: what is the basically letting people be taken care of like in communism.

Omal: correct. Okay, one question.

Russ: for me?

Omal: for you.

Russ: I ask you?

Omal: yes, thank you.

Russ: if you're saying that socialism is on the rise, why is it everywhere you look it seems that more that capitalism is actually taking over the world?

Omal: before I answer this question, I asked you, I said one question and you said, "for me?" That is a question. My reply was yes. Now, do you wish me answer this knowing full well what the price is?

Russ: oh no, absolutely not.

Omal: okay.

(Tia gets us to a very important guest speaker)

Tia: he got you good, didn't he? He got you well. I think he deserves a glass of wine for that. He's saying no thank you. Okay, be careful, next speaker.

(Ashtar has a dissertation of his own for us)

Ashtar: greetings and felicitations Mr. Hatfield. Let us get down to business quickly and precisely as myself, Omal and Korton have Council meetings. Okay, let us address matters at hand. Recently, and this is very important, it has been brought to my attention that somebody external to the group has need of help. The individual that brought this to my attention is the host. He came to me and asked for assistance. This is my reply on how to activate the defense mechanisms. This must be relayed to the person concerned. The defense mechanisms are activated when necessary to protect the individual. The way that it is done is to find the light and dark spot where those both meet, where light and dark meet. Within that is a description for an individual the activation of the defense mechanisms. How to defend oneself against thoughts from outside of a group consciousness. How to control and separate from this the primary function of these defense mechanisms is to sever communications from the group consciousness. This is achieved by a ritual praying to oneself, one's higher self, looking for the answer on how to proceed, whether it is right or wrong, making that decision. Once this has been achieved, the individual proceeds along these lines. Ritual, doing a binding, which is not binding as in the sense of Wicca or other spirituals, it is binding the mind to protect. Binding the group consciousness by using insertions of, for your ease of understanding, a virus. Inserting a virus or erroneous thoughts within the group consciousness. This is done by selecting certain key words that only the individual that is activating this knows. By selecting these words and shutting out the leader of a group consciousness, shuts down and breaks the connection. The understanding that, by breaking the connection, the individual that has had the connection taken away from them will try to retaliate using whatever practice the individual wishes or thinks necessary. The individual breaking away must stick to their course. This is very important. It is important that the individual stays the path and the course. There are other ways of dealing with these matters. They normally involve and are quite dangerous for the person outside. But an outside source that has dealings with these situations can break the connection. It is not necessary to tell the person involved of the dangers that the external path he takes upon themselves. Normally these individuals that do that are very experienced and are fully aware of the situation and the danger and are prepared to take these risks. Okay, let us move on to objectives and goals and development of your consciousness and your group consciousness of your planet. The primary function of development of these skills is A, to bring yourselves to a higher level of learning and understanding. B, to proceed on a spiritual path that is beneficial not to the individual but to the group. C, to combine both these factors together and use them effectively as a tool for the next logical evolutionary step. D, reacting in a way that is necessary to maintain the necessary pathways for this evolutionary step. Do you have any questions?

Russ: yes. In that exact same frame, everything else comes secondary to all those particular parts?

Ashtar: yes.

Russ: thank you.

(Tia makes a quick changeover)

Tia: okay.

(Omal clears what can be posted)

Omal: okay Russ, let me quickly explain what was going on. The first part is yes, it can go on the web. It is a very nice how to break away from the group consciousness.

Russ: see I am a little lost on everything he just said except the last part.

Omal: okay, last parts can go on the web as well.

Russ: yeah.

Omal: the first part can also go on the web.

Russ: they are related.

Omal: they are related, yes but it is of a personal nature for the parties involved.

Russ: I'm sure.

Omal: I will explain who the parties are. Okay the parties are one who is a dis-incarnate spirit and Mark.

Russ: okay.

Omal: it might be necessary to discuss it with Mark to understand fully what is going on. Okay, thank you.

Rus: thank you.

(Karra goes over what has been said already)

Karra: hello.

Russ: hey.

Karra: okay......

Russ: I hope you are in as much in the dark as I am here sweetheart.

Karra: totally in the dark.

Russ: oh good. I was thinking either one of us didn't have a clue on what in the hell was going on.

Karra: I don't know and Kiri is not telling me and Tia's not telling me and I'm definitely not asking Ashtar. Omal knows a little.

Russ: actually the second part was highly informative.

Karra: very short and precise but very important.

Russ: yeah, I mean that's typically his way of doing it. I couldn't think of any more good questions that would hinge on that.

Karra: okay, let's get down to business for a second. Okay, I was going to give a dissertation on healing. For example, mixing certain poultices. We'll skip that for next week.

Russ: okay.

Karra: as the atmosphere within your room has got a little bit darker and your mood is little bit negative after listening to three dissertations back to back, very fast, very informative, very deep. Now, if I lighten the mood, the options are wider and more open than you can perceive.

Russ: okay, good and then from that new perspective, we'll work on a couple different things here.

Karra: okay.

Russ: mainly the last part involved Ashtar and what he was talking about which is the gathering of the group. The exclusion of yourself to the needs of the group. Now, in the first place, what is the kind of group he's talking about? Is this a teaching, learning group between all individuals?

Karra: first of all, can you move that, it's affecting his energies.

Russ: sure, sorry.

Karra: okay, what he's talking about is the overall group of your planet, the group consciousness.

Russ: oh.

Karra: they would need to work within that for the betterment of the conscious mind.

Russ: that's little more clear.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and when I asked if there was anything secondary to that, so that would mean that anything that we do for self is secondary.

Karra: yes to a certain extent.

Russ: okay.

Karra: the exceptions are where it involves destroying one's aim for the group for a frivolous cause.

Russ: yeah, it's good you bring that up.

Karra: let's look at it this way. The best way to describe it is this way. Some people say it's for the welfare of a ship to make the ultimate sacrifice and to shut down a radiation leak they go in there themselves, to expose themselves to massive radiation and stop the leak. They basically save the lives of their shipmates, that is acceptable. Now, let us say a medic, the odds are way against them and they are heavily outnumbered. Now, the medic can do one of two things, care for the wounded and helping people live that are wounded or the medic can pick up a firearm and kill the people attacking. Now the situation is such that if the medic does not pick up the weapon, the medic is going to die. But the medic can save lives before the medic dies. But by picking up a firearm and killing the people attacking or wounding the people attacking or incapacitating them, the people that the medic is tending will die. Now is it right for the medic to take or cause harm to the people attacking thank letting the medic's patients die? But, if the medic does not do this action, the medic will die and patients might live, might. Now which is wrong?

Russ: for the medic to keep treating the people. Due to the fact you have on one side killing or incapacitating your enemy and letting your patients die, the only person you have left is you pretty much and your wounded people who could be treated or may be shot.

Karra: no, you didn't hear it totally. I said that by not doing this action, treating the patients, the medic will die.

Russ: yeah, so he is giving up his life so that the people he is treating will have a shot at living.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: the only person dying is he more or less.

Karra: the answer is actually letting the patient die then keeping them alive because how can the medic treat other people if the medic is dead? Supposing the individuals of the medic who are wounded can be saved by the medic after or after the invasion? Or, let's say it's somebody very important as we did in the battle, how can the medic save that wounded person if the medic is dead?

Russ: well in all respects, anybody who is wounded is very important......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: so everybody is important.

Karra: correct. But is it useful for the medic to throw away their life so that other people might live? Not will, might.

Russ: well would it depend on the past lives of the medic on whether or not......?

Karra: this doesn't enter into past lives. No, that is the first lesson the medic has to learn, his past lives are irrelevant. Is it necessary for that at medic to stay alive to treat and heal other people or is it necessary for the medic to throw away one more life?

Russ: well, because he is treating and healing people before he ends his life.

Karra: but he can't carry on doing that once he's dead.

Russ: honestly, is this what you guys do up there in sixth dimension in your high school or something?
You come up with these questions?

Karra: pretty much so. But the third dimensional way in this situation is correct.

Russ: that is weird, that is really weird.

Karra: the common mistake of healers that have achieved the sixth dimension, that had been put in this situation is to go I've got to treat my patients at all costs. The patient may have already decided to die. To keep the patient alive really might be in actual fact be doing a disservice. The patient may be there to teach you to stay alive. But you see the importance of it.

Russ: well yeah, I do see the importance but at the same time I can't help but thinking that for the medic to sit there and cause mayhem and destruction in the middle of saving somebody's life is criminal.

Karra: how can the medic go on to help other people if the medic is dead?

Russ: because how how can the medic know he isn't going to be killed while defending himself? There's no guarantee that somebody's not going to take a shot at him while he's up taking shots at other people. He dies, his patient dies, everyone dies except for the people attacking.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: he has no guarantee about that whereas if he keeps working on the patient, they might come in and they might say, "oh, he's treating the patient, he's a doctor, he could be useful. He could treat us in case we get hurt, let's take them with us".

Karra: you don't know very much about the medics up here, do you?

I don't know anything about battlefield tactics but medics can be a very valuable commodity.

Karra: uh-huh. Who's the best shot that you know? With the least.......

Russ: Lyka.

Karra: have you ever see me shoot against something? Do you know what my standard is with my marksmanship?

Russ: no.

Karra: I am way above some people.

Russ: I didn't know that, did I?

Karra: most healers are incredible marksmen, incredible. I can decide with a laser rifle, am I going to take an leg off, an arm or am I going to kill? I can pick where I want to put that shot. I can decide how much force I'm going to apply. Whether I'm going to knock the person out, just incapacitate them and keep them conscious or terminate their life functions.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: medics are by far the best trained soldiers. They do not fight unless they absolutely have to. The importance of survival is trained hard into us. Lots of your medics have gone out with good training and have not grasped the fact the importance of staying alive. Lots of young medics have come back in boxes because of not understanding that it is necessary to stay alive so that they can treat their comrades.

Russ: what would you say the margin of it would be debated on that topic?

Karra: there are certain situations where it is necessary to lay down your life.

Russ: I mean where you're outnumbered, outflanked and you don't have a ghost of a chance even with your good marksmanship. Your best bet have to follow your heart.......

Karra: no, no.

Russ: to stay alive.

Karra: at that point, the duty of the medic is to get the wounded out as best as they can. Basically what you do, and I heard a great story of a young medic grabbing a soldier or a wounded soldier, putting them on his back and swimming a river and putting him on the other side of the river. Swimming back and grabbing another wounded soldier. Swimming the river and putting the wounded soldier on the bank. Going back four more times and rescuing six people in total. Putting those wounded people in a safe area. He nearly got killed accidentally by a shuttle craft's landing. It's just one of those accidents that happen. That's what a medic does in there. Then he continued to give covering fire to protect the wounded when he was going back to pick up fresh wounded and whilst he was retreating until he swam the river.

Russ: hmm, okay. All right, so we've eliminated the frivolous.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and we've established where our priorities lie.

Karra: correct.

Russ: okay, so in reality then, somebody, a biker from San Jose comes up to the lake and this is part of my group.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: because I'm dealing on thanmore of a world level  just an individual level.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: so I don't know this guy but yet I need to think of him first and myself second?

Karra: nnoooo.

Russ: okay, that's where I'm coming from, where do I go from there?

Karra: okay, when Ashtar talks, he talks in terms of overall with the species on where your species and our species should go, its ideal goals. This actually ties in with the medic question, right?

Russ: good.

Karra: now, you have an individual that you have to think of first. But that individual may want to hurt you, may want to steal your food, may want to steal your woman, may want to do all sorts of nasty things.

Russ: right.

Karra: if you give him these things, how can you continue on your path? You would have nothing.

Russ: you can't.

Karra: exactly. But, by not assisting in giving him your whatever, you've taught him a lesson which helps the group consciousness to a higher level. You see you are a teacher and a pupil. By helping him, you've not learned anything except for how easy it is to get ripped off. He has not learned anything but teaching and reasoning and pointing him on the right path, you've given him his seed and planting it will put him on a better path. You have now taught him on how to raise the consciousness of the group.

Russ: okay. So in looking at that and making my decisions on how to work with this, I look at where best I can help my fellow member of my species.......

Karra: correct.

Russ: in ways that will not take away from my ability to help others of my species.

Karra: correct.

Russ: no sweat, got it.

Karra: okay.

Russ: see you later, bye love.

(Tia makes the last switch in speakers)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: don't have that much left on the tape, do we?

Russ: for Kiri? Got plenty of space.

Tia: okay, I better put on the last speaker.

Russ: just enough so we can chitchat?

(Kiri finishes up the channeling session)

Russ: hi Kiri.

Kiri: yo dude.

Russ: are there any other speakers besides you that were supposed to come on?

Kiri: no.

Russ: no problems.

Kiri: she said I better put on the last speaker on.

Russ: yeah? Anyway.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: the species question I'm sure is quite easy to those of you who have gone through these lessons before. For us, I'm still trying to get a grasp on this species stuff.

Kiri: I think it would say primitive Neanderthals.

Russ: no, see you that was before that. I would say primitive Cro-Magnons.

Kiri: I should say you're more along the lines of Homo erectus.

Russ: well that's a step up. How you doing darling?

Kiri: I'm doing fine.

Russ: good to hear it, good to hear it. Getting to your section but it's looking very painfully, woefully empty.

Kiri: didn't I give you a dissertation the other day?

Russ: you did and I haven't gotten to it to get your part off the tape so I look for any transcriptions I can get for Kiri's Corner so I can throw them on the web, keep these slow little conversations going. Remember now we have somebody who's gonna help to transcribe this stuff....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: therefore this stuff is going to be a lot more current, lot more on the web, two or three things from you at the same time out there now instead of just one every other two years.

Kiri: first of all, you can change my age on the page.

Russ: your bios?

Kiri: yes.

Russ: 58.

Kiri: when did you put that up?

Russ: it's always been up.

Kiri: uh-huh, how long ago did you start the page?

Russ: a couple years ago.

Kiri: about a year ago.

Russ: yeah, so what, you're 59 now?

Kiri: well actually I'm 60.

Russ: so what differences does it make? You're younger now. If I have to go through and every year and make changes for all you guys when he gets to be your birthday, it sounds a little bit more third dimensional than I would even bother thinking you actually are.

Kiri: well actually, now the reason I'm doing this, I'm saying bringing this issue up, is because people will start to question. Okay let's say we've got a reader like Sun Par, right? Or Paulette, and I hope she's doing real well, right? She knows when the page was made, right? When it first went online or she's done transcriptions and stuff. Now, if you put down on the page something along the lines of the date that the bios were done, that will let people know that there is continuity being kept within the page.

Russ: Karra has a better idea.

Kiri: I knew she has a better idea.

Russ: okay......

Kiri: yes, I know at the idea is.

Russ: so let's do it.

Kiri: why not?

Russ: okay, fair enough.

Kiri: I don't like the idea of doing extra work.

Russ: what extra work?

Kiri: anyway....

Russ: all you doing is telling me your birthday.

Kiri: no.

Russ: just sometime in a general sense. Just say, "it's sometime in the month of whatever", it was Kiri's birthday. She's now.......

Kiri: that's not our way. I know it's a......

Russ: it's just a thought, just make it more interactive with the page. I'm trying to bring in cooperation and everything so everybody is kind of like connected with you and me and the whole thing.

Kiri: I was born on the moon of the cold nights which I suppose would be somewhere like November, December, January in your scale.

Russ: perfect, pick a month, any month.

Kiri: just pick one in December.

Russ: December, excellent, good call. December, Kiri turned 61, until it changes to 61.

Kiri: okay. Now this is the reason why we don't have birthdays.

Russ: and I don't blame you one bit. Then how come then we just celebrated the Baron's 234th.

Kiri: that's because he may live only to 300 years old. But the reason the Baron's birthday was celebrated is the fact of it's not an accomplishment in himself, it's the fact that he is the number two top scoring ace makes it an achievement. Most pilots that are high up in that end are either retired or crippled or dead. Most pilots that are that age are okay pilots and they've long since retired. I mean he can't have anymore rejuvenations.

Russ: yeah?

Kiri: so basically he's at the end of his life. Now he's got another 65 years roughly.

Russ: so I mean we have to wait to nearly like 835 before we can celebrate your birthday?

Kiri: yeah, basically. My grandmother does not celebrate her birthdays.

Russ: right?

Kiri: when she turns 800 it becomes an achievement....ahh, which she turns 850 it becomes an achievement.

Russ: it's not the fact that your 60 that obviously.........

Kiri: no, birthdays don't mean anything.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: they don't mean anything, Russ, that's what I'm trying to explain is that being 60 or 89 does not matter or 90 does not matter. What does bother me is lack of continuity.

Russ: really?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: people understand when they first read this at 58, it's still like, they know you're still not 58.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: they know you've probably gained a couple years and that interior time.

Kiri: yeah but a new reader is going to think that I'm 58, or Tia is 28, or Karra is, I really don't know how old my sister is. All's I know is she's in her 80s.

Russ: I'll fix it, I'll work out something.

Kiri: all's I know was I was born in the month of the cold moons and translating it to your earth things is a little bit confusing.

Russ: I got it covered.

Kiri: Tia says that she was born in the month of the horny deer. She says that's the closest translation.

Russ: quadrupeds constitute a month. I was born in the month of the rat.

Kiri: you are rat.

Russ: that's a complement.

Kiri: not the way I mean it. I mean it as the plague bearing rodent. Actually Tia says actually stuffed rat is quite nice.

Russ: yeah?

Kiri: uh-huh. But you see the importance of that. It's continuity dear. Continuity is important. If you ever become an engineer you will understand the importance of precision and following progression. If you ever become a passable computer engineer you will understand the importance of that. One thing leads to another, you have to keep things right and correct, correct?

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: by not changing and not updating something, what happens?


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