(Tia gives a side one
Russ: we're live. Constructive webpage
Russ: from Tia.
Russ: okay, I thought you had something already
ready to go. You were just waiting for me to
Tia: you left it kind of hanging like you're going
to say something. It's sort of like......
Russ: well I put a title in front of it.
Tia: oh, is that what you're going to call it?
Russ: yeah, constructive webpage additions from Tia.
Tia: can't you think of any better name?
Russ: Tia's constructive webpage additions.
Tia: don't worry about it. Okay. Well, remember
about a month ago I made the comment about the stock
market going through the 8000 mark.
Russ: uh-huh, you said it looked like it would go
through the 8000 mark.
Tia: well I'm going to say definitely.
Russ: definitely, all right.
Tia: uh-huh, definitely going to go through the 8000
mark. Today it set another new record.
Russ: another new record?
Tia: 30th of the year. This year, the stock market
has grown 24%, which actually only about 23 1/2 but
let's round it up for the sake of argument. 24%, now
what does that tell us? Well it's grown almost a
quarter in size.
Russ: so does this look forward to then another hike
in the interest rates?
Tia: no. No, no because the economy is slowing down.
And with the economy slowing down, inflation is also
Russ: good, that's a positive.
Tia: that is a positive. However, the economy and
the stock market are linked in a way. If the economy
slows down, right? And interest rates aren't hiked,
right? That means that the stock market is going to
grow but, if the economy is slowing down, what does
that mean? Well that means that people aren't
producing or being as active as they were which
means that there's not as much going on as before.
Russ: well now you confused me. Because as I
Russ: with a stock market going up, that means
there's more money to be invested because there's
more money being made. The more money to be invested
means a growth in the economy.
Russ: slow as it is, there will still be a growth.
Tia: yes, true but, as the economy slows, this
affects the stock market.
Russ: so you're saying we're looking at a drop in
the stock market then coming up?
Tia: well I've always said that, haven't I?
Russ: well yeah, but you never pointed out what
Tia: no, and I'm not going to point out what point
at the moment because it's all projections that are
based on certain events happening. One of my
comments was about the stock market, not the stock
market, the economy slowing down and that it hasn't
grown as robustly as people claim or would like.
What is normal is that the economy grows at about 7%
a year, normally. It hasn't hasn't done this in over
eight years. Why hasn't it done this in over eight
years? Well, there was a mini recession, that was
one of factors. So, why is the stock market growing
when it's not a growing economy at its normal rate?
I think they talk about 4.5% being great and
incredible when in actual fact 7% is the normal, or
so far this century is the normal. But, looking at
these factors, that the economy is not growing as
rapidly as would be liked. Well, the stock market,
because of the lack of increases in interest rates,
goes crazy. People can invest, spend their money
within the stock market, increase the productivity
of the stock market, bumping up the price of shares.
Now the amount of shares that are around has grown
but it hasn't grown at the same level as a stock
market has grown. The only thing that's making the
start market grow is the price of shares. For
example, let's say last year you put in $100, right?
That hundred dollars is now worth a hundred and
twenty three and half dollars, okay? Which is 23
1/2% increase for the one share, okay? To say that
there is more out there is wrong. To say that the
price of the shares have increased is correct but
not the quantity. It may have gone up only three or
4%, the amount of shares out there, so why the big
difference? Well the difference is caused by the
lack of increasing interest rates which makes the
stock more interesting to investors. But what
happens if the economy slows down and there is less
money out there to invest in the stock market? Well
people start to pull their money out and what
happens? When people pull the money out, it goes
down. When it goes down problems occur. More people
panic and they pull out. Sometimes people will say,
"okay they're profit-taking there" but it depends on
the actions and how big. For a stock market to jump
hundred plus points in a single day is pretty
unusual. And the fact that this has been going on
for six months and eight days is kind of a little
bit unusual that it would grow so rapidly and
violently. It only seems a little while ago I
believe back in November that it broke the 6000
mark, do you remember?
Russ: 7000 mark.
Tia: okay, 7000. But reaching the 7000 mark took it
a very long time, at least four years. The fact that
now, all of a sudden, it is close to the 8000 mark
in six months and eight days since the turn of the
year, is a little bit alarming to me the fact that
people are investing so rapidly. I see in my
predictions this trend will continue. That people
will pump money into the stock market, buying more
shares, increasing the value of shares. But, actions
occurring at this time externally are what is
inflating the stock market. A, the lack of a
heightened interest rate to slow the economy, it's
doing it naturally. Inaction by the government,
action by the government that is causing the economy
to slow. At the moment is a golden time. Okay, that
covers the stock market in today's events. Let's
move on to something that is slightly related or
that I brought up at the end. Okay, the inaction of
the government. The government is currently
concerned with internal, domestic problems. I.e.,
the White House. Okay, we have going on at the
moment at the White House the investigation of Vince
Foster's death. The, I think it's.....her name's
Paula Jones? The Paula Jones thing going on. That is
in court, that is happening right now. It's not in
the preliminary stages, it's happening right now,
it's going on. The Whitewater investigations, still
going on. Campaign finance reforms and
investigations into irregularities of individuals
within both the Republican party and the Democratic
party but focused mainly on the Republican Party,
why? We'll get to that in the second. Lastly and not
least, very serious, very, very serious matter that
is only just starting to come to light. I can't
remember the gentleman's name except for it ends
with a Wong. In his safe, was found ten confidential
governmental documents that had no right being
there. And they weren't originals, they were copies,
photocopies. He had no authorization to have these
documents. Do you know where his office is?
Russ: in the White House?
Tia: correct. Okay, so we have these five events
going on. Okay, now let's look at the one that just
started today, campaign finance. Okay, let us look
at campaign finance. There's a Republican that
admitted and handed back the money that was given to
him. Okay, he handed the money back, he admitted it.
Subsequently I believe that he has stepped down and
said, "I did wrong, I have paid the money back".
He's done the honorable thing, he admitted it. He
gave the money back and it was only maybe $200,000.
Now let us look at something a little bit more
serious. First of all let me preface it by when
George Bush sent out letters of briefings to
contributors which is a perfectly legitimate move on
White House stationery, it caused a big uproar. Now,
this has been compared to what is happening right
now. The selling of Lincoln bedroom, the renting out
for $100,000, to $200,000 a night to people that in
contribute to the White House or Democratic national
Congress. Here's a problem. It is illegal to accept,
and this is in your government's policies and
procedures book, it is illegal to accept contribute
to nations in the White House for any person of
political, of a political organization at all. It
doesn't matter if you are let's say a member of the
Green party and you are given $20 in the White
House, that is illegal. To give a donation to stay
in the White House for $100,000 to $200,000 a night
is illegal due to the fact that you're giving the
person who more than likely is a member of a
political organization the money. You can give it to
somebody that works there that is not affiliated
with any party. But as soon as that person gives the
money within the White House to another person it is
illegal is against the law, end of story. But, and
this is what they're saying, is that the money was
not given inside the White House. But still they are
renting out a government building to people,
anybody. If you had $200,000 dollars, Russ, and you
went to the Democratic national Congress and said,
"I would like to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom,
here's $200,000, I would also like to meet Bill
Clinton, they would do it. They wouldn't ask you
where you got your money from her how you got it.
They may look into your background to see if you
have more. Okay, some of these characters or people
that have stayed at the White House have been
foreign businessmen. This is where it starts to get
tricky. Another person was a member of an Arkansas
restaurant business. Wang June I believe was his
name. He contributed $150,000. Subsequently he has
been found that he was given the money by oriental
businessmen from Singapore and Hong Kong. Those
businessmen had links to another person that's
living in the United States named Charlie Tree.
Charlie Tree has subsequently disappeared and the
only person that can get a hold of him is Tom
Brokaw. Whenever he contacts him, he claims that he
is living just outside Shanghai. Charlie Tree is
also another person that paid an exorbitant amount
of money to stay at the Lincoln bedroom. Charlie
Tree also has friends in the......I wouldn't let him
in at the moment if I was you, there's two fighting.
Charlie Tree is refusing to return to the United
States of America. A gentleman by the name of Wang
whatever is refusing to talk to the finance
committee about any of his fundraising efforts but
is willing to talk about his espionage charge. He is
currently unable to be contacted. There have been
some long distance telephone calls to try get hold
of him. Today at the start of the investigation,
John Glenn made a statement about investigating a
Republican and saying that he had pictures and he
presented slideshow and this is old news. He also
said that Mr. Wang would talk to the committee but
wanted immunity from prosecution on anything to do
with the house, not the house, the finance reform
scheme of the Democrats. He would answer questions
only on the espionage charge. Mr. Wang also happens
know Charlie Tree. So it's all it's all revolving
around one person who is unable to be got hold of
except by Tom Brokaw which is very, very strange.
Very strange. Okay, now, let us look at how much
money was raised. Do you know how much money was
raised by the Democrats?
Russ: twelve million?
Tia: no. 15 million. A lot of money, a lot of money.
Very scary isn't it so far? Okay, this is where it
starts to get real interesting. Let us look a little
closer at this web. Why do they want to stay in the
Lincoln bedroom? Where's the money coming from?
Russ: for favored nation status.
Tia: uh-huh. Now what does China get out of most
favored nation status?
Russ: they get favorable trading conditions.
Tia: uh-huh. They get free access to American
markets, American markets have free access to them.
How much actual business goes to China?
Russ: well, as I remember right, the actual amount
of business that goes to China is approximately 2%
of their whole gross national income.
Tia: very, very little, isn't it? Very little but
coming here it's higher, a lot higher. Now, by
getting this, most favored trade status by
sponsoring individuals going to the White House,
what is in essence is Bill Clinton doing?
Russ: well what he is trying to do build up a stable
market relationship and open the markets to the
Russ: which in light of the fact that they are
financially actually well-off, it's not a bad idea,
if it works.
Russ: this is just a personal opinion....
Russ: but I feel that the Chinese takeover of Hong
Kong is going to have a lot of influence on that as
far as capitalism being one of the major
Tia: you didn't hear what happened to the gold
Tia: okay, the Australians dumped a whole load of
gold on the market and dropped the price
dramatically. Now, there are major three major
trading areas in the world that deal with gold. One
is London, one is New York and the other one is
Russ: I don't know, Beijing?
Tia: Hong Kong.
Tia: the gold market overall, because Australia
dumped a lot of gold on the market, dropped the
price. You see, the thing is with taking Hong Kong,
is it fits very nicely into a nice picture the
Chinese are trying to manipulate. They can isolate
it. The fact that they brought in 20,000 troops into
Hong Kong means that they can control it. It can go
on as it was before, isolated from the mainland
because of the troops. Nothing has changed for Hong
Russ: I understand about the gold, why would that
have influence on Hong Kong?
Tia: because Hong Kong is one of the world's leading
traders for gold.
Tia: the price of gold goes down, right?
Tia: it goes down in Hong Kong, New York and London.
Russ: will that hurt the Chinese?
Tia: it hurts everybody, it hurts everybody. You
see, your government can think it's getting into the
Chinese markets through Hong Kong.
Tia: but the fact that Hong Kong is just a trade
center distributing to other places in the world.
For sample, let us say, okay your guys go, "okay
we're going 'to send you a million pairs of Nikes,
right? We're going to send it through Hong Kong, the
Chinese government". "Great, okay, bring it in".
Let's say each pair of Nikes cost the Chinese $20,
Tia: they bring into their country, right? They turn
around, bring it into Hong Kong they turn around and
they can sell it to Great Britain, Australia,
Canada, back to US to all sorts of business the
world over for let's say $40. It's never even
entered into mainland China and the money is
pointing to the Chinese coffers. American thinks
that it's importing into China but it's not, very
clever, very, very smart. So you see what's
happening? Okay, lastly but not least, Northern
Ireland. What a trial of a new prime minister. Last
year when John Major was in power, or in power, he
did not allow the marches, well not all of them, he
allowed some of them and they were controlled very,
very tightly and were only allowed to march so far.
This year, a new prime minister and he goes, "okay,
we'll let them march. We will have the police clear
the way so that they can march in the traditional
places and observe their traditional observations
and return back". Oh, bad, bad call, isn't it? What
happens? Last year there were little riots, very
little riots, nothing major. One person was killed.
Very little in loss of damage. But this year they
let them march, there was mass rioting, mass
burning, trains are burned, IRA gets involved. One
man dies, a Protestant with a pipe bomb, his own
pipe bomb. Over a hundred individuals injured in
rioting where last year one man was killed and only
maybe ten people were injured. Most of those are
silly things. Doesn't look so good for a new prime
minister, does it?
Russ: well, he just learning the ropes.
Tia: and he's not doing a very good job of it, is
Russ: he's working on it.
Tia: poorly, poorly. Okay, any questions?
Russ: yeah, what's Australasia? A combination of the
Tia: yeah, pretty much so.
Russ: I've never heard that term before.
Tia: it's basically the Pacific rim. Australia,
Malaysia, New Zealand, Japan, coast of China,
Borneo, Sumatra, all that area. The Philippines.
Russ: all right, so how does all the problems right
now that are affecting Japan....
Russ: the Chinese market, and Australia dumping the
price of gold, effect our slow growth in the stock
Tia: in a big way. Remember what one of the factors
I said would be. External influences. Think, what's
Russ: okay, next question is, how close are these
occurrences in relation to what happened back in the
major crash back in '28?
Tia: '29. The thing is that with today's
communications, everything happens on a global scale
and much faster. So therefore when it happens it's
going to be much larger, much quicker, much faster
because of communications being instantaneous. You
can send a message halfway around the world, right?
Let's say you send an email to a buddy in Australia,
right? How long is it going to take your email to go
from your computer to his computer?
Russ: hardly any time at all.
Tia: correct. How long is it going to take for the
news of one stock market going crazy to reach other
Russ: same time it happens.
Tia: uh-huh. So?
Russ: so the mechanisms that are in place to stop
that from happening will kick in a lot faster.
Tia: it might and it might not. See, the mechanisms
to stop that from happening are also what's going to
cause it to happen. They're keeping the prices high.
Russ: okay. Artificially high?
Tia: yes and no, yes and no. Some of the things that
are happening are artificial, others aren't. There's
too many to actually go into. I mean I have already
taken up about 20 minutes and we have quite a few
speakers to go tonight.
Russ: okay, let's get to them than.
Russ: thank you Tia.
(Omal finishes up the side)
Omal: greetings Russ, quickly let's get down to
Omal: okay, let us look at the current state of the
mind of your race. Okay we have going on at present
at this very moment as it happens although it is
quieting down, rioting in Northern Ireland. This is
not a new problem. The newspapers in your country
are reporting it as Imperial colonialists enforcing
their will on a small island nation. This is wrong,
this is inaccurate. The majority in Northern Ireland
is Protestant. The minority are Catholics. Okay, let
us look at other incidences going on. Hong Kong,
troops within Hong Kong, 20,000 to be precise
patrolling a little island nation, why? Tia was
quite correct in her analogy. It is to isolate the
country. Let it continue as it was but with Chinese
control. How long will it take before China, a
dictatorship basically, takes total control? Well
for them to do so it would be a very bad move But to
open up and invite capitalism in, again would be a
bad move. So, why not leave it as it is? Isolate it,
control it, and you had the perfect set up. You also
have extra financial and fiscal income. Okay, let's
look at another matter going on. Sierra Leone,
another little hot spot. The consciousness of this
area is a little confusing. It seems to be an ethnic
conflict. Let us move on again to the former
Yugoslavia and Bosnia. The United Nations today said
it would not tolerate people interfering within the
elections in Bosnia. Basically it was hinting at
Radovan Karadžić but in their actions and comments
they themselves are interfering. Let us move on
again. Let us move to I believe there was some
rioting in Indonesia. What is going on there? Well,
(Omal gets us back on topic)
Omal: so, how are these things all related? Well,
they are related in the fact that they are all
negative controlling factors in a negative way in
the evolution of the mind. China, interfering in
Hong Kong and controlling Hong Kong, that is
basically controlling not just a small area but a
lot of a specific area. All the other incidences
that involve rioting again point to a strong
growth of discontent. Now, let us look at look at
recent elections throughout the world. Let us
start off with '96 and the election of a
Democratic president to your country, basically a
socialist. Let us look at France's recent
election, socialist. Let us look at Mexico, little
bit of an upset there, socialists win. What does
this tell us? It tells us that there are selected
individuals throughout your world that have got
control of governments. They are saying to the
people, and the people are listening, "let us take
care of you. Let us help you, let us take all your
worries away and we will make things better. You
do not have to worry". What is this doing, Russ?
Russ: what is the basically letting people be
taken care of like in communism.
Omal: correct. Okay, one question.
Russ: for me?
Omal: for you.
Russ: I ask you?
Omal: yes, thank you.
Russ: if you're saying that socialism is on the
rise, why is it everywhere you look it seems that
more that capitalism is actually taking over the
Omal: before I answer this question, I asked you,
I said one question and you said, "for me?" That
is a question. My reply was yes. Now, do you wish
me answer this knowing full well what the price
Russ: oh no, absolutely not.
(Tia gets us to a very important guest speaker)
Tia: he got you good, didn't he? He got you well.
I think he deserves a glass of wine for that. He's
saying no thank you. Okay, be careful, next
(Ashtar has a dissertation of
his own for us)
Ashtar: greetings and felicitations Mr. Hatfield.
Let us get down to business quickly and precisely
as myself, Omal and Korton have Council meetings.
Okay, let us address matters at hand. Recently,
and this is very important, it has been brought to
my attention that somebody external to the group
has need of help. The individual that brought this
to my attention is the host. He came to me and
asked for assistance. This is my reply on how to
activate the defense mechanisms. This must be
relayed to the person concerned. The defense
mechanisms are activated when necessary to protect
the individual. The way that it is done is to find
the light and dark spot where those both meet,
where light and dark meet. Within that is a
description for an individual the activation of
the defense mechanisms. How to defend oneself
against thoughts from outside of a group
consciousness. How to control and separate from
this the primary function of these defense
mechanisms is to sever communications from the
group consciousness. This is achieved by a ritual
praying to oneself, one's higher self, looking for
the answer on how to proceed, whether it is right
or wrong, making that decision. Once this has been
achieved, the individual proceeds along these
lines. Ritual, doing a binding, which is not
binding as in the sense of Wicca or other
spirituals, it is binding the mind to protect.
Binding the group consciousness by using
insertions of, for your ease of understanding, a
virus. Inserting a virus or erroneous thoughts
within the group consciousness. This is done by
selecting certain key words that only the
individual that is activating this knows. By
selecting these words and shutting out the leader
of a group consciousness, shuts down and breaks
the connection. The understanding that, by
breaking the connection, the individual that has
had the connection taken away from them will try
to retaliate using whatever practice the
individual wishes or thinks necessary. The
individual breaking away must stick to their
course. This is very important. It is important
that the individual stays the path and the course.
There are other ways of dealing with these
matters. They normally involve and are quite
dangerous for the person outside. But an outside
source that has dealings with these situations can
break the connection. It is not necessary to tell
the person involved of the dangers that the
external path he takes upon themselves. Normally
these individuals that do that are very
experienced and are fully aware of the situation
and the danger and are prepared to take these
risks. Okay, let us move on to objectives and
goals and development of your consciousness and
your group consciousness of your planet. The
primary function of development of these skills is
A, to bring yourselves to a higher level of
learning and understanding. B, to proceed on a
spiritual path that is beneficial not to the
individual but to the group. C, to combine both
these factors together and use them effectively as
a tool for the next logical evolutionary step. D,
reacting in a way that is necessary to maintain
the necessary pathways for this evolutionary step.
Do you have any questions?
Russ: yes. In that exact same frame, everything
else comes secondary to all those particular
Russ: thank you.
(Tia makes a quick changeover)
(Omal clears what can be posted)
Omal: okay Russ, let me quickly explain what was
going on. The first part is yes, it can go on the
web. It is a very nice how to break away from the
Russ: see I am a little lost on everything he just
said except the last part.
Omal: okay, last parts can go on the web as well.
Omal: the first part can also go on the web.
Russ: they are related.
Omal: they are related, yes but it is of a
personal nature for the parties involved.
Russ: I'm sure.
Omal: I will explain who the parties are. Okay the
parties are one who is a dis-incarnate spirit and
Omal: it might be necessary to discuss it with
Mark to understand fully what is going on. Okay,
Rus: thank you.
(Karra goes over what has been
Russ: I hope you are in as much in the dark as I
am here sweetheart.
Karra: totally in the dark.
Russ: oh good. I was thinking either one of us
didn't have a clue on what in the hell was going
Karra: I don't know and Kiri is not telling me and
Tia's not telling me and I'm definitely not asking
Ashtar. Omal knows a little.
Russ: actually the second part was highly
Karra: very short and precise but very important.
Russ: yeah, I mean that's typically his way of
doing it. I couldn't think of any more good
questions that would hinge on that.
Karra: okay, let's get down to business for a
second. Okay, I was going to give a dissertation
on healing. For example, mixing certain poultices.
We'll skip that for next week.
Karra: as the atmosphere within your room has got
a little bit darker and your mood is little bit
negative after listening to three dissertations
back to back, very fast, very informative, very
deep. Now, if I lighten the mood, the options are
wider and more open than you can perceive.
Russ: okay, good and then from that new
perspective, we'll work on a couple different
Russ: mainly the last part involved Ashtar and
what he was talking about which is the gathering
of the group. The exclusion of yourself to the
needs of the group. Now, in the first place, what
is the kind of group he's talking about? Is this a
teaching, learning group between all individuals?
Karra: first of all, can you move that, it's
affecting his energies.
Russ: sure, sorry.
Karra: okay, what he's talking about is the
overall group of your planet, the group
Karra: they would need to work within that for the
betterment of the conscious mind.
Russ: that's little more clear.
Russ: and when I asked if there was anything
secondary to that, so that would mean that
anything that we do for self is secondary.
Karra: yes to a certain extent.
Karra: the exceptions are where it involves
destroying one's aim for the group for a frivolous
Russ: yeah, it's good you bring that up.
Karra: let's look at it this way. The best way to
describe it is this way. Some people say it's for
the welfare of a ship to make the ultimate
sacrifice and to shut down a radiation leak they
go in there themselves, to expose themselves to
massive radiation and stop the leak. They
basically save the lives of their shipmates, that
is acceptable. Now, let us say a medic, the odds
are way against them and they are heavily
outnumbered. Now, the medic can do one of two
things, care for the wounded and helping people
live that are wounded or the medic can pick up a
firearm and kill the people attacking. Now the
situation is such that if the medic does not pick
up the weapon, the medic is going to die. But the
medic can save lives before the medic dies. But by
picking up a firearm and killing the people
attacking or wounding the people attacking or
incapacitating them, the people that the medic is
tending will die. Now is it right for the medic to
take or cause harm to the people attacking thank
letting the medic's patients die? But, if the
medic does not do this action, the medic will die
and patients might live, might. Now which is
Russ: for the medic to keep treating the people.
Due to the fact you have on one side killing or
incapacitating your enemy and letting your
patients die, the only person you have left is you
pretty much and your wounded people who could be
treated or may be shot.
Karra: no, you didn't hear it totally. I said that
by not doing this action, treating the patients,
the medic will die.
Russ: yeah, so he is giving up his life so that
the people he is treating will have a shot at
Russ: the only person dying is he more or less.
Karra: the answer is actually letting the patient
die then keeping them alive because how can the
medic treat other people if the medic is dead?
Supposing the individuals of the medic who are
wounded can be saved by the medic after or after
the invasion? Or, let's say it's somebody very
important as we did in the battle, how can the
medic save that wounded person if the medic is
Russ: well in all respects, anybody who is wounded
is very important......
Russ: so everybody is important.
Karra: correct. But is it useful for the medic to
throw away their life so that other people might
live? Not will, might.
Russ: well would it depend on the past lives of
the medic on whether or not......?
Karra: this doesn't enter into past lives. No,
that is the first lesson the medic has to learn,
his past lives are irrelevant. Is it necessary for
that at medic to stay alive to treat and heal
other people or is it necessary for the medic to
throw away one more life?
Russ: well, because he is treating and healing
people before he ends his life.
Karra: but he can't carry on doing that once he's
Russ: honestly, is this what you guys do up there
in sixth dimension in your high school or
You come up with these questions?
Karra: pretty much so. But the third dimensional
way in this situation is correct.
Russ: that is weird, that is really weird.
Karra: the common mistake of healers that have
achieved the sixth dimension, that had been put in
this situation is to go I've got to treat my
patients at all costs. The patient may have
already decided to die. To keep the patient alive
really might be in actual fact be doing a
disservice. The patient may be there to teach you
to stay alive. But you see the importance of it.
Russ: well yeah, I do see the importance but at
the same time I can't help but thinking that for
the medic to sit there and cause mayhem and
destruction in the middle of saving somebody's
life is criminal.
Karra: how can the medic go on to help other
people if the medic is dead?
Russ: because how how can the medic know he isn't
going to be killed while defending himself?
There's no guarantee that somebody's not going to
take a shot at him while he's up taking shots at
other people. He dies, his patient dies, everyone
dies except for the people attacking.
Russ: he has no guarantee about that whereas if he
keeps working on the patient, they might come in
and they might say, "oh, he's treating the
patient, he's a doctor, he could be useful. He
could treat us in case we get hurt, let's take
them with us".
Karra: you don't know very much about the medics
up here, do you?
I don't know anything about battlefield tactics
but medics can be a very valuable commodity.
Karra: uh-huh. Who's the best shot that you know?
With the least.......
Karra: have you ever see me shoot against
something? Do you know what my standard is with my
Karra: I am way above some people.
Russ: I didn't know that, did I?
Karra: most healers are incredible marksmen,
incredible. I can decide with a laser rifle, am I
going to take an leg off, an arm or am I going to
kill? I can pick where I want to put that shot. I
can decide how much force I'm going to apply.
Whether I'm going to knock the person out, just
incapacitate them and keep them conscious or
terminate their life functions.
Karra: medics are by far the best trained
soldiers. They do not fight unless they absolutely
have to. The importance of survival is trained
hard into us. Lots of your medics have gone out
with good training and have not grasped the fact
the importance of staying alive. Lots of young
medics have come back in boxes because of not
understanding that it is necessary to stay alive
so that they can treat their comrades.
Russ: what would you say the margin of it would be
debated on that topic?
Karra: there are certain situations where it is
necessary to lay down your life.
Russ: I mean where you're outnumbered, outflanked
and you don't have a ghost of a chance even with
your good marksmanship. Your best bet
is........you have to follow your heart.......
Karra: no, no.
Russ: to stay alive.
Karra: at that point, the duty of the medic is to
get the wounded out as best as they can. Basically
what you do, and I heard a great story of a young
medic grabbing a soldier or a wounded soldier,
putting them on his back and swimming a river and
putting him on the other side of the river.
Swimming back and grabbing another wounded
soldier. Swimming the river and putting the
wounded soldier on the bank. Going back four more
times and rescuing six people in total. Putting
those wounded people in a safe area. He nearly got
killed accidentally by a shuttle craft's landing.
It's just one of those accidents that happen.
That's what a medic does in there. Then he
continued to give covering fire to protect the
wounded when he was going back to pick up fresh
wounded and whilst he was retreating until he swam
Russ: hmm, okay. All right, so we've eliminated
Russ: and we've established where our priorities
Russ: okay, so in reality then, somebody, a biker
from San Jose comes up to the lake and this is
part of my group.
Russ: because I'm dealing on thanmore of a world
level just an individual level.
Russ: so I don't know this guy but yet I need to
think of him first and myself second?
Russ: okay, that's where I'm coming from, where do
I go from there?
Karra: okay, when Ashtar talks, he talks in terms
of overall with the species on where your species
and our species should go, its ideal goals. This
actually ties in with the medic question, right?
Karra: now, you have an individual that you have
to think of first. But that individual may want to
hurt you, may want to steal your food, may want to
steal your woman, may want to do all sorts of
Karra: if you give him these things, how can you
continue on your path? You would have nothing.
Russ: you can't.
Karra: exactly. But, by not assisting in giving
him your whatever, you've taught him a lesson
which helps the group consciousness to a higher
level. You see you are a teacher and a pupil. By
helping him, you've not learned anything except
for how easy it is to get ripped off. He has not
learned anything but teaching and reasoning and
pointing him on the right path, you've given him
his seed and planting it will put him on a better
path. You have now taught him on how to raise the
consciousness of the group.
Russ: okay. So in looking at that and making my
decisions on how to work with this, I look at
where best I can help my fellow member of my
Russ: in ways that will not take away from my
ability to help others of my species.
Russ: no sweat, got it.
Russ: see you later, bye love.
(Tia makes the
last switch in speakers)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: don't have that much left on the tape, do we?
Russ: for Kiri? Got plenty of space.
Tia: okay, I better put on the last speaker.
Russ: just enough so we can chitchat?
(Kiri finishes up the
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: yo dude.
Russ: are there any other speakers besides you
that were supposed to come on?
Russ: no problems.
Kiri: she said I better put on the last speaker
Russ: yeah? Anyway.......
Russ: the species question I'm sure is quite easy
to those of you who have gone through these
lessons before. For us, I'm still trying to get a
grasp on this species stuff.
Kiri: I think it would say primitive Neanderthals.
Russ: no, see you that was before that. I would
say primitive Cro-Magnons.
Kiri: I should say you're more along the lines of
Russ: well that's a step up. How you doing
Kiri: I'm doing fine.
Russ: good to hear it, good to hear it. Getting to
your section but it's looking very painfully,
Kiri: didn't I give you a dissertation the other
Russ: you did and I haven't gotten to it to get
your part off the tape so I look for any
transcriptions I can get for Kiri's Corner so I
can throw them on the web, keep these slow little
conversations going. Remember now we have somebody
who's gonna help to transcribe this stuff....
Russ: therefore this stuff is going to be a lot
more current, lot more on the web, two or three
things from you at the same time out there now
instead of just one every other two years.
Kiri: first of all, you can change my age on the
Russ: your bios?
Kiri: when did you put that up?
Russ: it's always been up.
Kiri: uh-huh, how long ago did you start the page?
Russ: a couple years ago.
Kiri: about a year ago.
Russ: yeah, so what, you're 59 now?
Kiri: well actually I'm 60.
Russ: so what differences does it make? You're
younger now. If I have to go through and every
year and make changes for all you guys when he
gets to be your birthday, it sounds a little bit
more third dimensional than I would even bother
thinking you actually are.
Kiri: well actually, now the reason I'm doing
this, I'm saying bringing this issue up, is
because people will start to question. Okay let's
say we've got a reader like Sun Par, right? Or
Paulette, and I hope she's doing real well, right?
She knows when the page was made, right? When it
first went online or she's done transcriptions and
stuff. Now, if you put down on the page something
along the lines of the date that the bios were
done, that will let people know that there is
continuity being kept within the page.
Russ: Karra has a better idea.
Kiri: I knew she has a better idea.
Kiri: yes, I know at the idea is.
Russ: so let's do it.
Kiri: why not?
Russ: okay, fair enough.
Kiri: I don't like the idea of doing extra work.
Russ: what extra work?
Russ: all you doing is telling me your birthday.
Russ: just sometime in a general sense. Just say,
"it's sometime in the month of whatever", it was
Kiri's birthday. She's now.......
Kiri: that's not our way. I know it's a......
Russ: it's just a thought, just make it more
interactive with the page. I'm trying to bring in
cooperation and everything so everybody is kind of
like connected with you and me and the whole
Kiri: I was born on the moon of the cold nights
which I suppose would be somewhere like November,
December, January in your scale.
Russ: perfect, pick a month, any month.
Kiri: just pick one in December.
Russ: December, excellent, good call. December,
Kiri turned 61, until it changes to 61.
Kiri: okay. Now this is the reason why we don't
Russ: and I don't blame you one bit. Then how come
then we just celebrated the Baron's 234th.
Kiri: that's because he may live only to 300 years
old. But the reason the Baron's birthday was
celebrated is the fact of it's not an
accomplishment in himself, it's the fact that he
is the number two top scoring ace makes it an
achievement. Most pilots that are high up in that
end are either retired or crippled or dead. Most
pilots that are that age are okay pilots and
they've long since retired. I mean he can't have
Kiri: so basically he's at the end of his life.
Now he's got another 65 years roughly.
Russ: so I mean we have to wait to nearly like 835
before we can celebrate your birthday?
Kiri: yeah, basically. My grandmother does not
celebrate her birthdays.
Kiri: when she turns 800 it becomes an
achievement....ahh, which she turns 850 it becomes
Russ: it's not the fact that your 60 that
Kiri: no, birthdays don't mean anything.
Kiri: they don't mean anything, Russ, that's what
I'm trying to explain is that being 60 or 89 does
not matter or 90 does not matter. What does bother
me is lack of continuity.
Russ: people understand when they first read this
at 58, it's still like, they know you're still not
Russ: they know you've probably gained a couple
years and that interior time.
Kiri: yeah but a new reader is going to think that
I'm 58, or Tia is 28, or Karra is, I really don't
know how old my sister is. All's I know is she's
in her 80s.
Russ: I'll fix it, I'll work out something.
Kiri: all's I know was I was born in the month of
the cold moons and translating it to your earth
things is a little bit confusing.
Russ: I got it covered.
Kiri: Tia says that she was born in the month of
the horny deer. She says that's the closest
Russ: quadrupeds constitute a month. I was born in
the month of the rat.
Kiri: you are rat.
Russ: that's a complement.
Kiri: not the way I mean it. I mean it as the
plague bearing rodent. Actually Tia says actually
stuffed rat is quite nice.
Kiri: uh-huh. But you see the importance of that.
It's continuity dear. Continuity is important. If
you ever become an engineer you will understand
the importance of precision and following
progression. If you ever become a passable
computer engineer you will understand the
importance of that. One thing leads to another,
you have to keep things right and correct,
Kiri: by not changing and not updating something,
THE TAPE ENDS