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Archivist Note: The name for this session came from an answer Ashtar made in passing when asked a question about Sananda's time on earth. At the time the tape was being made, the reply didn't register as what it does 13 years and thousands of hours spent reviewing the knowledge shared back then. Reflection on a plan being acted on 2000 years ago makes me wonder how far backwards and forwards in this plan encompasses. Taking in to account who said it and who it involves, one has to think pretty far.

     While it starts off with Ashtar's admonition of the seriousness needed in future sessions, it speaks to that plan in action. Seeing 13 years into the future could not have been much of a stretch for either Ashtar, Sananda and the Council of Light. Though it came off as stern at the time, I can only applaud his timely appearance and foresight.

TIA Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
ASHTAR RUSS (Archivist)



1.)(0:00)- Kiri on the morality of coercion.

2.)(5:31) Kiri and Karra's explain corrupt coercer healers and Kiri demonstrates coercion by mellowing John out completely while mind linked with Karra. They also answer questions on manifesting thoughts and the art of being a warrior.

3.)(24:57)- Tia opens up the conversation to a range of topics and different speakers.

Part 1 Listen to this episode (RIGHT CLICK AND OPEN IN A NEW TAB OR WINDOW)
Duration: 41:51 min. - File type: mp3

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Duration: 42:42 min. - File type: mp3



(Ashtar starts things off)

Ashtar: greetings and felicitations.

Russ: greetings Ashtar.-

Ashtar: let us get down to business.

John: yes sir.

Ashtar: first of all, it has come to my attention that some of my teachers and pupils have been slacking on their work, this must stop. It is necessary to proceed ahead with necessary training that was laid forth some time ago. We will proceed down that avenue which will be laid out but first of all we will deal with meta-concert. Secondly we will work on healing due to the fact that there is a high number of healers present. Thirdly, we will keep business for business. Fun and entertainment will take place after the main events have taken place. Thank you, questions.

Russ: yes Ashtar, starting off with, I'd like to find out real quickly......just getting my notes in order, there we go......though it has significant content, would releasing the approved version of the Sirian Chronicles open doorways for others?

Ashtar: yes.

Russ: so you think you do advise that they are released but under a.....

Ashtar: no I did not advise that they be released, I said to your answer yes.

Russ: oh, okay.

Ashtar: it is acceptable.

Russ: excellent.

Ashtar: the decision is yours and Kiri's.

Russ: of course, alright. Now this is concerning Sananda and in his time here on earth as Jesus and it caused so much death and suffering, did he know prior to it happening that the karmic things that would happen on earth cause karmic release?

Ashtar: it is part of the necessary plan that is overall being prepared and acted upon.

Russ: okay, and got one here for a show that's on, currently a major entertainment network here on earth called "Invaders", which is being shown four days, two hours each day concerning the takeover of earth by hostile aliens.

Ashtar: yes?

Russ: how is that going to affect perceptions of Ashtar Command?

Ashtar: I do not see that it would affect the perceptions of Ashtar Command at all.

Russ: how about aliens in general?

Ashtar: are there not bad people on your planet that try hostile takeovers?

Russ: yes?

Ashtar: then it is the same.

Russ: that's true, yes. Okay, all right now they getting down to business here, when concerning our new schedules here for working on meta-concert and healing, we're going to be working then on hands-on healing I take it?

Ashtar: that will be set up by the healer who will be teaching.

Russ: okay. And then Mark and myself have been discussing meta-concert and a schedule for working on that.

Ashtar: that will also be handled by one of my teachers.

Russ: okay, excellent. In that case we'll get busy on it.

Ashtar: good, thank you.

Russ: that's all I have, thank you Ashtar.

John: do I have a hand in the healing? Sir, excuse me...I just kind of jumped in here Ashtar. Oh he's gone? Oh......

(Tia comes on)

Tia: not a very happy camper.

Russ: well we've been taken to the log shed once today.

Tia: not very happy at all. It seems that we've all been negligent and having too much fun.

(After a session called "Girls Night Out" and a couple others).

Tia: and to answer your question Johnny, yes you will play a part.

John: in what capacity?

Tia: in healing and meta-concert.

John: thank you.

Russ: as in you'll get the training that we will all get.

John: okay, good, thank you. I needed to acknowledge that.

Tia: okay I've had my, as you might say, my butt chewed.

John: okay, what can I do to assist everyone with our learning?

Tia: by listening and giving good questions as you do. Being patient with us, especially myself, I don't have a full grasp of English and some of your customs and taboos are a little bit foreign to me. So I get a little bit rambunctious from time to time and I do apologize if I seemed a little bit..................

John: well as far as you and I are concerned, all #$%^& and giggles are going to be put aside. Ashtar has given us a command....

Tia: yes.

John: and I believe we have some very serious business to take care of. So if you can conduct your business with me in a quite serious....

Tia: of course, of course.

John: and professional manner, it'll make our job a lot easier. The faster I absorb this information, the sooner I can assimilate it in my dimension.

Tia: okay, what we will do also for you is we will work on astral travel to see if we can get you to astral travel and to come up here for extra tuition. I will do my best but I'm just a learner of astral travel as opposed to some other people that I could mention. Although I do have by my standards phenomenal PK, I spend most of my time working on various projects which are a little bit iffy on discussion but I will try to make you a better astral traveler than I am..

John: you understand that anything that is said to me in these sessions is in complete confidence and unless the permission is given to discuss this information, I will not discuss it so my loyalty is unquestioned.

Tia: so it is all to be discussed during, after and whatever fashion you wish. As I said, we have been derelict in our duties so we have to be a little bit more serious although we are allowed at the finish when we run out of topics to work on to have time for pleasant chitchat.

John: how can we possibly run out of topics to work on? That is beyond my comprehension. Can you clarify this for me?

Tia: it is a little bit of free time that we're allowed at the end of each channeling session.

John: okay well I'd appreciate it if you keep the #$%^& and giggles down to a minimum with me.

Tia: okay.

John: okay? Because I'm learning and I'm trying to understand and I'm trying to absorb as much information as possible as soon as I can.

Tia: okay, I'll keep it down to the minimum. Okay I'm going to hand over to the next person.

(Omal takes over from Tia)

Omal: greetings, it seems that we have all been dressed down.

Russ: Omal, if I can be slightly candid here.........

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: as I understand it, we weren't under any kind of restrictive time schedule or we weren't being forced to basically come down and work our asses off.

Omal: we were and we weren't.

Russ: well nobody told us about it.

Omal: we as your teachers were the ones that were negligent in our, as Tia said, our duties but it is necessary for us to be more to the point and to save the frivolities at the end for the end. There will be for the time being no more channeling sessions from the pyramid.

(in the backyard garden of Kiri, Tia and Mark's apartment)

Russ: well I can understand that.

Omal: there will be no more mischievous playfulness from the ladies for the time being.

Russ: of course.

Omal: okay, this will be the schedule. Each week we will start off with a brief practice and explanation on meta-concert, this will be starting next week. We will do a period of up to eight weeks of work on meta-concert, healing, astral travel and coercion. We will rotate between the astral travel and the coercion. We will discuss the necessary information that you wish to have answered on historical matters. Let us start with the historical matters or your questions that you have. John, do you have questions?

John: yes sir I do, thank you. I'm quite concerned about the military presence that the underground....

Omal: uh-huh.

the survivalist groups in both South America, Central America and North America and especially with the situation in Québec.

Omal: uh-hmm, yes.

John: okay, now let me double up the question for you please, it'll make it easier for me. I sense some apprehension in Ashtar's voice and in your voice.

Omal: uh-huh.

John: i
s the situation in North America, in the Western Hemisphere, is the situation escalating at a fast rate where we need to take heed or are we just being laggard in our training? Please clarify?

Omal: is a little bit of both. At the moment it is escalating, not rapidly but there are more people joining these paramilitary organizations. The situation in Québec is very relevant. A pride in an individual area of a particular ethnic background is becoming very strong. Take for example...

John: what about the native American influence if I could interrupt you sir?

Omal: certainly, I was just getting to that. There is a very strong indigenous population that is very keen on repossessing territories that they were given forever and they were not......

John: and they were taken away.

Omal: correct.

John: and these people are going to reclaim the lands that was given to them. Am I correct?

Omal: they are going to link themselves with paramilitary organizations that give them the opportunity to do so.

John: how should I as an individual........I feel very close to these organizations and these peoples and the whole ideal that they're going for. Is the path correct? Can you give me any direction or insight?

Omal: it is a necessary path to walk down for the expansion of knowledge. It is also a necessary destiny that will occur because of the environment which is being generated by big government. An overlooking of everything to perceive every minute detail, every possible threat internal and external. Your government is very keen on saying that international terrorism is no longer a big problem in your country but this is far from the truth. In actual fact, international terrorism most certainly is on the decline but national terrorism within your country is on the increase. Such as drive-by shootings, gangs, these organizations or paramilitary groups are the opposite of these gangs. You could say that they are the yin to the yang, the night to the day or vice-a-versa. That it is very necessary for these paramilitary organizations to be connected with native paramilitary organizations that have a working knowledge of past knowledge that is still used by the people of your land. So therefore they are the antidote to the problem but on their own they would be the problem. It is necessary for both structures to exist of the gangs in your cities and outside the cities you have these paramilitary organizations which are trying to enforce the law as they see it written by your forefathers. Yes?

John: with me linking myself with relating and understanding the Latino population and the influx from South......influx and also threat from South and Central America and the paramilitary groups that are...the survivalist groups in this country right now and with Québec and them being wanting to be an independent, French-speaking nation, is it all interrelated?

Omal: yes.

John: and am I following the right path wanting to link myself and my family and my friends with these groups to protect ourselves?

Omal: I think that your friends are already doing it of their own recognizance in their own fashion.

John: yes I understand. Thank you, thank you for your time.....

Omal: you're welcome......

John: I appreciate the information.

Omal: okay Russ?

Russ: okay, to touch on Johnny's subject real quick, the combination of paramilitary and the Indians is kind of unique in the fact that the Indians have their own governments.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: so therefore they can allow their own training grounds for these paramilitary groups to operate.

Omal: they already do.

Russ: okay, that is a new thing I did not know. All right, now let's get on to some more esoteric matters please.

Omal: okay.

Russ: in the way that we've been working with teaching since we started this, I have come to the impression that in thoughts of atoms and molecules and solid bodies, that we're actually more like holograms with a sense of humor but how close to the truth am I about that?

Omal: you could say that you are holograms with a purpose that have your own free will and a sense of humor.

Russ: and sense of humor yes. And so basically when someone splits off into a parallel universe, it's actually just a new hologram splitting more or less?

Omal: with awareness, yes.

Russ: with awareness correct, okay. All right now this is concerning the channeling transcripts that we're looking at releasing possibly with Kiri's cooperation here. Now before we've discussed a little bit about the secret government and one of their organizational wings operating out of Sedona. Now with releasing some of these channeling transcripts then let them acknowledge the fact that we're existing as a channeling group or do they already know and it's really no problem?

Omal: they already know of your existence, they do not know how far involved you are on monitoring them.

Russ: all right, now would it be wise then to give the correct address when we....?

Omal: no.

Russ: okay. Now then, one of the things about the secret government that I'm working on right now is just getting a little bit more information. Sort of like, know your enemy kind of thing. So I'm wondering about, it seems as though I'm reading now that members have been breaking away from them. For example Laszlo (Bob Lazar) from the Area 51 group who's been passing information on about that and I'm wondering are they like having problems then from an internal source?

Omal: it is more of getting rid of those that are not desirable.

Russ: okay I see.

Omal: there are several different ways of getting rid of them. Some are having the possibility of planting them in society to act as disinformation, others to give information which can be refuted and serve a purpose that these people are looked at as the lunatic fringe.

Russ: hmm, so give the truth but give it in such a way nobody believes it.

Omal: correct.

Russ: I see. Okay now some of the stuff that's in the Sedona Journal (of Emergence) that I'm reading about is that there are large-scale detention centers like at the Sedona Airport being built up with chain link and barbed wire. Now theoretically then the secret government is pushing for racial bias to keep people separate, colors against each other and those that favor segregation and those who don't to split up the government and people.

Omal: that would serve a function for them yes.

Russ: that would be for their purpose then?

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay. Now I was also reading how in a certain incident, they used a weapon of a large coil directed behind a black crystal or a large coil with a black crystal behind it to resonate some negative vibrations in Sedona, does that sound about right?

Omal: that sounds as it is feasible.

John: can I please interject real briefly here? Is this technique referred to as radiometry or something similar to that? I'm not sure if I'm saying it correctly.

Omal: I'm not quite sure what terms you would use on your planet.

John: okay because I have heard of a similar technique and Russ and I have not discussed it and I learned about it just before I left Sedona and I am very curious about this and about the negative aspects of them using a dark crystal against the people.

Omal: you have to remember that there are certain areas within Sedona that has certain vibrational properties which could be used to amplify negative waves generated by whatever method necessary.

John: would this be the opposite or the more correctly, the counterpoint of positive vortices or vortex?

Omal: yes.

John: is either term acceptable by you?

Omal: vortex or vortices is certainly acceptable.

John: okay, I'm sorry Russ, I didn't mean to interrupt.

Russ: no, no, no, any information is relevant at this point.

John: yeah okay. I'll turn you back over to Russ, it was just something that hit me hard, I had to clarify, thank you.

Omal: you're welcome.

Russ: okay one thing I know you can't confirm but I would like to...if you have any more information possibly get it, and that also in this same magazine it says that how in the '40's, a ship from Andromeda landed with.......well it said Zeta people, I assume Zeta Reticli, it wasn't explained........invited the government of the United States to join the planetary government at a certain point in time. And at that demonstration they demonstrated an ability to stop all manner of weapons from firing. For example, I think they just anything they wanted to use they just were able to stop it from actually going off, the chemical explosions.

Omal: this is quite possible that there are ways and means of disabling chemical weapons. Whether or not this occurred I do not know at this time.

Russ: okay, apparently they said they'd be coming back in 1985 and in 1985 there was numerous nuclear and plasma devices ready and instead of allowing earth to be destroyed or parts to be destroyed, they basically said they would come back at another time around this time in history and right now apparently they are holding back according to this and helping spiritually at weak defensive points the government's not looking at. How is that related to us and as an example please?

Omal: this sounds like something that your entertainment establishment would possibly dream up. There is certainly the possibility of interference from outside forces but whether or not they would select a particular time and watch and wait and see what happens is hard to say at this time.

Russ: hmm...okay. All right the last section I've got on this is, seeing I had this very strange dream about biological weapons and you've mentioned planets which were destroyed with nuclear devices, destroyed themselves basically due to people. Now how about biological destruction?

Omal: oh yes certainly.

Russ: you have come across that?

Omal: yes we have.

Russ: okay, now were they livable again after that?

Omal: after a long period of time most certainly. You have to remember that all viruses and species on your planet or any planet has a mutation factor and most viruses are addressed to a particular victim. For example if you have a virus that eats the flesh, why does it not eat the flesh of other animals? Why is it just one species? That is because it has a function to work with on that species. So therefore, certainly a virus that would destroy your planet could occur but it would be directed at one particular species or a group of species and there's always life could come from elsewhere.

Russ: and there's always the mutation factor.

Omal: yes the mutation factor is eventually it becomes non-lethal.

Russ: okay, I see.

Omal: whether that is in a 1,000 years, a 100,000 or a million years, that is hard to say depending on the mutation rate of the virus.

Russ: hmm-hmmm. Now with these viruses or bacteriological viruses, it seems that they sometimes have to work on a genetic code....

Omal: yes.

Russ: and they're built around that and it strikes a chord in me and I'm a little bit concerned that possibly I've had some dealings with that myself.

Omal: no, no. It is a natural concern of a geneticist that may be slightly on the off-centered side would have to keep his sanity that he might create something that would be very detrimental to the species but I do not see that you would be so twisted as a geneticist to do so in your past lives.

(Ed. note: I had been a geneticist in a previous Atlantean incarnation)

Russ: I can't see it either but yeah it is something we have to address. All right, well that's all I have for question wise.

John: oh can I inject with a question?

Omal: certainly, certainly.

John: as far as being a survivalist and wanting to survive and wanting to be able to progress into the sixth dimension from the third, is there anything we can do to protect ourselves against the nuclear threat which at this point I don't believe will come from bombs, it will come from Three Mile Island type incidents and earthquakes and other third world countries other than ourselves detonating or experimenting like France putting off these nuclear bombs outside of Tahiti brought much, much stress to me. I mean, it just is beyond my comprehension how France can detonate bombs off the coast of Tahiti at a magnitude that I mean the destruction on the wildlife and the environment, I mean it's beyond my comprehension. What do I do, what do we do to protect ourselves?

Omal: there is not much that you can do to protect yourselves and I think that the nation of France would be quite upset that you classified them in with third world countries but on a whole, most countries cannot afford nuclear reactors. Those that do, have a well-trained staff and occasionally accidents do happen and this........

John: no, this is no accident, these people purposely donated a very large bomb under the ocean.

Omal: I am aware of what the French did and the reasons why they did do it and that it was a military device that they used but I am referring to nuclear reactors for generating power. They are cleaner and safer than most of your supplies of fossil fuels that you use. Where they construct them is definitely of concern. There are nuclear reactors that are currently on minor faults that could become major faults but I do not see the reactors being a problem at this time. As for nuclear weapons, there are far more better weapons that countries can develop that have a much more specific effect then a nuclear weapon that would cause such horrific repercussions. If you take for example the country of North Korea, they do have a nuclear weapon capability and it is strange how this has seemed to have dropped out of the headlines recently, the missing uranium rods that have now been processed and turned into hostile nuclear devices but there is a much more cheaper and economical way then using such weapons.

John: excuse my ignorance sir but I happen to come from Niagara Falls which we have phenomenal hydro-power force okay? Where hydro-power can be used, is it feasible wind and hydro-power as opposed to nuclear energy?

Omal: hydro-power most certainly but it is not feasible for countries or areas such as Africa. They do not have a high precipitation fall so Africa would be very useful to have nuclear reactors and if they are constructed with the technology of all the countries that have nuclear reactors, they most certainly can be just as effective as hydro-electric plants as opposed to wind power, wind does not flow all the time, the sun does not shine all the time. These fuels are certainly very useful as they are inexhaustible but they are not frequent enough to generate the necessary energy needs of your planet. After all, your planet is growing at an alarming rate in its population.

John: yes but don't you agree that the solar power which is very much nuclear unless I'm mistaken, am I correct?

Omal: correct.

John: okay, that the solar power and wind power can supplement and help little factions and communities that are going to be established all over this country?

Omal: certainly communities that are cut off from other forms of energy most certainly but if you have a solar powered device around, go outside and try to activate it. You have a wind powered thing, I believe it is not very windy outside at the moment. So it is necessary to have other sources that are not as harmful to the atmosphere like your fossil fuel plants are. They are very harmful and with nuclear reactors there is certainly that risk of an accident, but then there is certainly the risks of meteors striking your planet. It is a choice that you have to make of what benefits not only the planet but the people.

John: well with the handful of people that I'm dealing with, for us to have a nuclear reactor would be absurd.

Omal: oh certainly, certainly, certainly.

John: but to incorporate hydro-power, wind power and solar power and to supplement our subsistence with fossil fuels seems to be practical to me.

Omal: fossil fuels as I've said are very dirty and untidy in your atmosphere.

John: oh would you recommend a grain fuel? I mean fuel is fuel. We need fuel to exist and live comfortably.

Omal: grain certainly is a very useful tool, it certainly burns much cleaner then your fossil fuels do.

John: would you say we would be better off approaching our fuel needs or energy needs for subsistence in the third dimension with grain fuel as opposed to fossil fuels?

Omal: certainly, certainly but you would still need to augment with other forms of energy as well.

John: well if I'm not mistaken sir, there is many people who use wind and solar power and sell their surplus of energy after they've run all their operations, all their gardening, all their hydroponics, take care of all the animals and subsistence for the household, they can still sell a surplus to the electric company. Now I mean, it's a reality, I mean it happens.

Omal: oh certainly, certainly.

Russ: it's if it continues though, it's one of the programs to be cut by the Republicans.

John: oh okay but I am speaking the truth, it's not like I am just making this stuff up am making it up. I mean we do it, we've got the potential to do it. You know for me to set up a nuclear reactor you know in my backyard isn't very feasible.

Omal: no but I'm talking on a large planetary scale, where areas such as your continent of Africa do not have much in the way of fuel, wind to continue production of power. There are places.....

John: all's I can pray is that Africa gets the power it needs and uses the resources intelligently because my biggest concern is the byproduct of nuclear power is goes hand-in-hand with nuclear weapons.

Omal: certainly.

John: the two work directly together and I mean myself, I would rather repair my windmill then deal with this nuclear holocaust.

Omal: but there is another use for the nuclear waste, the radioactive waste. There are incidences of UFOs causing radiation sickness, they use it as their propulsion system. Your species could quite easily with a bit of practice and experimentation use the excessive weaponry as a power source to power vessels because......

John: yes sir I understand this and it makes perfect sense to me but our people on this planet are not doing that.

Omal: we will continue this discussion at another time.

John: I'm very curious about picking this up with you next week.

Omal: thank you. Live long, prosper.

John: peace and love brother.

Russ: farewell Omal.

(Tia comes back on)

Tia: okay. Well questions?

Russ: yeah Tia, how's the budget coming along?

(the U.S. Senate was in budget debates at the time)

Tia: it's still at an impasse, they're working on it, they're working on it.

Russ: well if this doesn't lead to some of the problems we're seeing in the future, I don't know what will.

Tia: well it is very important that the budget is balanced. I'm assuming that it won't be, put it that way.

Russ: right, that would be a logical assumption.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: they're going to have to reach a compromise.

Tia: yes and it won't be balanced.

Russ: not in seven years.

Tia: no and in turn, that causes major problems.

Russ: a non-balanced budget right?

Tia: uh-huh, a big over-balance and "WHEEEE" and out it goes.....

John: Tia, have you heard all the conversations we've had this evening?

Tia: uh-hmmm, I'm the ring mistress so I'm sitting and monitoring everything.

John: oh that's good, that's good. I wasn't sure that's why asked. I'm not being a smart ass, if I don't know, I'm going to ask a question even though it might seem silly to you.

Tia: well everybody is sitting very patiently waiting their turn to channel.

Russ: well let's put the next person on then love.

Tia: okay.

(Kiri is the speaker now)

Russ: hi Kiri. 

Kiri: yo.

Russ: ciao baby.

Kiri: where's my cup of tea?

John: oh, you want me to put some tea water on?

Kiri: oh yes please, could you?

John: oh, I think I got a cup of tea for you, would you like a little milk it?

Kiri: oh yes please.

John: and sugar?

Kiri: uh-hmm.

(John steps out of the room)

Kiri: I think Omal's quite correct in his discussion though.

Russ: I do too.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean there's a logical form of where it has to go and there's no getting around it.

Kiri: oh certainly.

Russ: things are going to take their own sweet pace as with the budget, as with everything else and the key is, smile and just be happy.

Kiri: uh-hmmm, certainly, certainly.

Russ: work on as an individual though.

Kiri: uh-huh. I got a special reprimand.

Russ: how could you get a special reprimand?

Kiri: because I been the instigator of half of these entertaining sessions. (John brings in a squeak toy) Oh, for Tia! Yes, when Tia gets back in. 

John: well I was told we could have a little entertainment at the end.

Kiri: yes.

John: but I guess we got to behave ourselves more?

Kiri: yes, ciao.

John: so we've been delinquent in our duties? Is that correct?

Kiri: I don't think it was so much directed at you Johnny as more along the lines of us and the resident juvenile delinquent over there.

Russ: I love you too Kiri.

John: but you do understand my concern and I'm not joking when I ask you about this, I'm curious.

Russ: we're going to be working on a serious practice schedule, it won't allow much conversation room anymore.

Kiri: uh-huh, there won't be much in the way of chitchat. Ashtar was quite correct that we teachers up here were very......not very good in what we were supposed to be doing. We were too free and easy and Tia didn't get so much of a reprimand as Omal and Korton did and myself, Karra didn't get much of one, I got a special attention paid to me for the fact that I instigated half of the misbehaving.

Russ: well it wasn't our fault we had to keep them at the pyramid.

(in Kiri, Tia and Mark's garden behind the apartment)

Kiri: no, true, true, but the fact that I would attend in my panties instead of wearing a toga or being playful, I got read the riot act big.

Russ: well you're lucky there wasn't a monitoring down here or really could've degenerated quickly.

Kiri: uh-huh yes, I would of been in deep trouble.

Russ: (laughs) okay, so let's go onto our rotating schedule of coercion and astral travel here sweetheart.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: alright.

Kiri: we need the felines for the coercion practice.

Russ: all right, Oddball's........




(Kiri continues speaking)

Kiri: .......control somebody by their mind.

john: okay, thank you.

Kiri: I can control people by my thought, such as......

John: can you control me?

Kiri: if I put my mind to it, yes.

Russ: don't ask for a demonstration.

John: well no I won't ask for a demonstration.

Kiri: good, good.

Russ: it's been demonstrated to my satisfaction.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: it's too much work on Mark's body try to stress it out again.

John: but that is the definition of coercion?

Kiri: yes, it's being able to manipulate somebody to your will.

John: okay and in this learning, I'm going to be taught how to practice this or.....?

Kiri: to protect yourself from it. We will see if you have the aptitude to be coercer or if not, we will teach you how to defend yourself against it. However there are individuals around that have incredible coercive ability just with their voice alone. I'm working on that. I'm not very good at it but I'm working on it.

John: yeah I'm very interested in being able to not do it but not to, I'd rather have it not to be accepted, you know what I mean?

Kiri: yeah...

John: not to be done to me.

Kiri: yeah, Mark is quite a strong coercer by earth standards. Have you ever noticed that sometimes he'll walk into a room and you'll have your back to him and suddenly you'll turn around and look at him?

John: yes.

Kiri: or the feeling that he's in the room and you didn't even hear him come in, that's because of Mark's coercive aura. If he wants your attention, instead of saying, going...(clears her throat), he would just get you to turn around and not be startled or anything.

John: so it's a sense of sensing his presence before I physically see him?

Kiri: yes but he's already in the room and you get the feeling that Mark's in the room and you have to turn around and talk to him.

John: yeah I gotta jump on coercion. Yeah, yeah I mean I know when Mark pulls in the driveway.

Kiri: yeah, I mean it's his presence that he does have, he's not as good as I am and he's got a long way to be as good as I am, but certainly he does have talent.

John: okay Russ has got some important questions.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: how in the use of coercion do you manage to negate the fact that you feel like you're using someone?

Kiri: it's normally to speed up things, to expedite matters or to protect them.

Russ: well it still goes back to the spirit of the question again.

Kiri: how do you feel.....

Russ: it's a moral issue.

Kiri: it's something that you have to get used to. Is it moral to see somebody doing something that's going to harm them and not do anything about it or is it morally wrong to stop them from doing that?

Russ: that's the question, are you speeding up their growth or are you stunting their growth?

Kiri: depends on the situation. It's something that you have to deal with yourself.

Russ: you deal with it every day sweetheart, how do you deal with it?

Kiri: our deal with it is that it's a necessary tool to speed up communication, it's a necessary tool to protect people from themselves, I do not use it when I'm in the lovemaking mode although I can use it if I'm already making love to heighten somebody's senses which is mutually pleasurable and acceptable.

Russ: how about when you zapped Leonedies?

Kiri: that is teaching him. It is also helping him to understand that there are certain things that he's not allowed to do.

John: can I jump in real quick here?

Kiri: uh-hmm.

John: how can Russ and I, being communicators and healers.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: how can we use I pronouncing it correctly?

Kiri: yeah, uh-hmm.

John: how can we use that where we don't abuse it but use it to our spiritual growth and to people that we interact with? I mean how can we use this........and I mean this knowledge is very profound and very important to me, how can we use it on our third dimensional basis dealing with egos and everything just our lives? How can we use this tool and use it correctly without abusing it?

(Karra takes over)

Karra: okay, I've been put on the help Kiri explain it. Coercion can be used in healing to help somebody open up their mind to the prospect of being healed in a different way. When you combine healing and coercion together you get a combination that is very powerful and potent. A coercive healer, they're very rare that are very fully function and operational in both, is an extremely useful tool to help people heal themselves. They can put somebody in a framework in their mind by using their coercion and their healing ability combined can point a person on the road to healing. However, there is the temptation with a coercive healer to act as God. There was a very good example here just recently of a coercive healer, Russ, what was that person's name? Or let me ask Johnny, what was that person's name? A corrupt coercer healer.

John: I mean Russ comes to mind right away but.....

Karra: it's the first time you have been called a corrupt coercive healer dear.

Russ: thank you sweetheart.

John: but probably that Mark guy.

Karra: no, Russ?

Russ: Kevorkian?

Karra: no, in this house.

Russ: oh, in this house.

John: well I said Russ and I said Mark, would it be John?

Karra: no.

John: okay.

Kiri: you're not a corrupt healer, Mark has very little healing ability and Russ, well he can be corrupted.

Russ: she's talking about Linda.

(Ed. note: this was a past acquaintance of both John and I from Sedona who had stayed with us in Tahoe for a short time)

Karra: uh-hmm.

John: (chuckles) oh, okay, okay, is her presence still with us?

Karra: no.

Russ: hello. (the phone rings and the conversation edited out)

(Kiri takes over)

Kiri: uh-hmm…ahh teamwork, big sis and myself.

John: okay now why did you bring up Linda and what is the significance, what is my learning out of this? I'm a little bit confused, I'm trying to get as much information and define as much of this material as I can.

Kiri: I think Karra was trying to use the lesson of Linda, that Linda has become corrupt with her coercer healer routine that she's the best, that she knows exactly what she's doing and it doesn't matter what it takes to heal somebody, she will do it as long as it feels good to her.

John: and that is the worst attitude from my learning standpoint, that is what I want to avoid, is that correct?

Kiri: exactly.

John: would like some more tea love?

Kiri: no, I was going to explain. Now the thing is, let's say I'm a healer right and I've got my coercive ability. Now I come over and I make you feel better right? And I have to hurt you little bit to make you feel better but in actual fact the only person I making feel good is me because I'm the best and it's good for my ego to be better than everybody else to be the best healer but the only person I'm serving is myself. See what I'm saying?

John: I believe so.

Kiri: and Linda is very much like that wasn't she? She got upset when Mark refused to submit to her coercive healing. She got very upset didn't she?

Russ: uh-hmm....well not so much the coercive healing though, I mean she's pretty light in the coercive department.

Kiri: yeah but she knows how to use it. Even a little bit a coercion used correctly with healing can almost double its power.

John: and if used correctly, can you do more than double the power?

Kiri: certainly, certainly, you can open yourself up very much. For example, could you come a little bit closer and put your hand out? We're going to combine here quickly for a second....just put your hand out...alright you have a cut on your hand right? Which hand is the cut on?

John: I don't know, I got cuts and burns and stuff everywhere, I always do.

Kiri: okay, right there there's a cut right there.

John: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay, now you feel it warming up there? It's starting to tickle too isn't it?

John: uhh yeah, I feel the sensation.

Kiri: uh-huh, now that is a combination of healing from Karra and you felt how mellow that you got and how open that you were?

John: yeah.

Kiri: yeah, that was my coercion there. You see we have to combine. We use Mark's energy to be manipulated by Karra's healing to create the necessary energy to come out of his finger to work on that little spot there and we use my coercive energy from Mark's eye, if I could get the other one to stay open, to focus on you to bring you into a mellow open, receptive mode you see?

John: but I am in a mellow, receptive, open mode.

Kiri: yes but you suddenly became much more relaxed and open.

John: that's true I did, there's no doubt about it.

Kiri: yeah and sorry, I didn't mean to have to do a demonstration as well.

John: thank you.

Kiri: you're welcome.

John: I appreciate that.

(Kiri claps three times and rubs her hands to discharge the energy)

Kiri: okay next question as we're both still mind-linked, Karra's being very quiet at the moment.

Russ: all right, since you're in combination here I'll direct this to both you guys and get joint action on this. Karra already knows the question but I'll fire it off anyway.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: all right, is thinking with imagination the killing of hurting of someone without actually doing it releasing these karmic needs and it helps get them out of our systems?

Kiri: yes as long as you don't act out on them and focus the energy on the person because focusing the energy on the person can be just as harmful as actually doing it. Because what would happen if they suddenly had a car crash like a day later?

Russ: right.

Kiri: so you have to be very careful on what you think, especially if you're a talented individual.

John: oh God.

Kiri: naughty boy.

John: man I just flashed on something.

Kiri: naughty boy.

John: Linda, remember when she rolled her car off the cliff?

Russ: yeah.

John: after she left your place in Sedona and our interaction? I mean she......

Russ: I had nothing to do with that.

John: oh yeah but I did and I felt good about it too. I mean when you told me about it, I mean I just got this rush okay?

Russ: well Kiri, maybe we could direct a little conversation toward this particular area?

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: oh God, I mean it's real.

Russ: help us understand it a little bit more.

Kiri: yeah sure.

John: I don't know if I had anything to do with it or not but God it felt good.

Kiri: uh-huh, the mind gives off energy correct?

Russ: correct

Kiri: and by sending out waves, you can affect somebody if you can tune into their frequency. Sometimes this is done subconsciously, it is a gift or an ability that everybody has to be able to pick up other people's thoughts but as a rule they're filtered out. Now it's a matter of breaking down those filters. Occasionally those filters are broken down and energy can be created in somebody's mind to put themselves in the situation where they will put themselves at harm.

Russ: then, Johnny here was described at one time in some our channeling sessions with Omal back in Sedona as a warrior.......

Kiri: uh-hmm, I think that is very self-evident with the conversation.

Russ: with his ability to break down these filters, could this mind power be beneficial to him in some way?

Kiri: certainly, certainly.

Russ: how so?

Kiri: by knowing that somebody's after you, you can change them with your coercive ability. By being able to pick up on the negative waveforms or negative thoughts coming from an individual, you can put yourself in a situation that is much more advantageous to you to help them.

Russ: that makes sense.

Kiri: uh-hmm.

John: I got a channel years ago and it was something that just flowed into me and I'm going to paraphrase but the bottom line basically what it was and this was directed towards my sister is that we were warriors, healers and teachers.

Kiri: uh-huh, that's a very good........

John: and it's all one......

Kiri: huh-huh.

John: being a warrior doesn't make you violent.

Kiri: no, in fact if you talk to Mark, Mark is very much a warrior. I mean he has the weaponry, he has the training, the background and actually I think he probably enjoys the prepping up and the actual combat but he doesn't like inflicting pain. Most warriors don't. In fact, most warriors absolutely hate to inflict pain and suffering but if must comes to must they do. The person to talk to about being a warrior is Mark. For example, what is Mark's biggest joy in life?

John: eating?

Russ: flying the A-10? (a computer game)

Kiri: simple things.

Russ: flying World War I aircraft against Taal?

Kiri: that's in fun but his most simple and most enjoyable things is the garden, his tea, cooking, building aircraft, messing around on the computer where it causes no harm. Talking, reading, learning, these aren't things of a warrior are they?

Russ: no.

Kiri: but yet he's very much a warrior.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: warriors that have experienced combat tend to be much more......actually, a good person to talk to would be Lyka.

Russ: true.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: am I mistaken but, I'm sorry I don't know if I interrupted here, I just took a pee. Is part of being a warrior, isn't the truth in that being nonviolent?

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: I mean a warrior doesn't going around chopping up people and shooting people.

Kiri: certainly, certainly.

John: a warrior is a teacher and a communicator and a healer.

Kiri: yeah.
John: and doesn't he have to be in tune with himself, with his environment, with his spirituality?

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: aren't they all keys in being a warrior?

Kiri: yes they are, they're very much so. I was just saying to Russ that probably the most abhorrent thing to a warrior is to see needless destruction, needless fighting or fighting of any kind but when push comes to shove, a warrior will put himself in between his loved ones and harm. He is the shield of people that are less aggressive, he is the one that protects the innocent. If you take the warriors of ancient Japan right? And their name was samurai. Do you know what samurai means?

John: protector I think but I might be mistaken, I'm not sure, my Japanese is not good but I think that might be a semi-accurate translation. I don't know.

Kiri: Russ?

Russ: no, I'm thinking of kamikaze which is divine wind.

Kiri: samurai actually means to serve.

John: okay, yeah I knew it was something like that.

Kiri: uh-huh, so they serve the people by protecting them from the violence and warriors are like that, that they do not go looking for combat. If they had the choice they would avoid it but they don't have the choice because they see it as their duty to protect people from harm and I'm really not versed to discuss this, I'm just from the discussions I've have with Lyka and Mark and various other people is something that I've learned.

Russ: Karra's well versed in it.

Kiri: uh-huh...but she wasn't a combat soldier, she was a medic.

(in the Sirian Defense Force earlier in her life)

Russ: she's seen the....

Kiri: she's seen the horror.

Russ: right.

Kiri: and she probably hates it just as much as Lyka does or Taal.

(Karra takes over again)

Karra: yes I do, I dislike it intently. Seeing harm inflicted on other people is something that is very painful. Okay, now as we have healing is going to be one of the important subjects that we will be covering.

Russ: it appears.

Karra: yes.

John: is the coercion and the healing, are they related or are they two separate topics? I mean I know they've got to be interrelated, in my mind they are unless I'm confused. Could you please clarify?

Karra: they are related and unfortunately they're not related, they are and they aren't. There are many different types of coercion. There is healing coercion, which is helping somebody to feel better to heal them. There is coercion where you manipulate somebody to do your will and then there is the coercion that you use to protect yourself.

John: okay, from me from a personal, selfish standpoint, I'm concerned with the first and the latter okay? I'm not concerned with manipulating people to any negative or...

Karra: oh no, we won't teach you that.

John: but I am very interested in healing and also in protecting and shielding myself. Is coercion a shielding technique?

Karra: certainly, yes.

John: is that correct? Is my terminology correct?

Karra: yes because Kiri, if she wants, could get you to go away. If you pulled a knife on her, she would just look at you and you'd get the urge to be elsewhere, to drop the knife and be elsewhere.

John: yeah well I hope Kiri realizes that I'd never pull a knife on her. (laughs) 

Karra: but she would just give you the feeling that you had to be elsewhere.

John: yeah.

Russ: since healing is going to be the main topic here, how do you want to proceed with this?

Karra: okay we will start off with healing with crystals next week.

Russ: all right.

John: can we utilize these crystals?

Karra: yes we will be utilizing the crystals. We will be demonstrating using crystals and chakra energy. We will go back to what we used to do with Carrie.

(a third dimensional guest healed of cancer during a meta-concert session organized on the base by Omal)

Russ: okay, hands-on?

Karra: uh-huh, very much so. We will use felines that need healing such as...

Russ: Oddball?

Karra: yes.

Russ: so we'll bring the felines down for.......

Karra: healings.

Russ: healings and then the week after for coercion.

Karra: of course, but healing and coercion the week after next will be done together, we will do the team effort routine.

Russ: oh, Teene's going to be here?

(one of the base members who rarely channels)

Karra: no, team effort.

Russ: all right.

John: yeah he's real funny, doesn't Russ have a unique sense of humor?

Karra: yes, it is very endearing.

Russ: thank you my love and so are you.

Karra: I should hope so.

Russ: (laughs) of course.

Karra: and I wish Kiri would keep her fingers under control.

John: hey you girls behave yourself.

Karra: no, no, no, she is not caressing me or anything, she is manipulating things down here and her fingers are twitching as she's concentrating. See, she is even lifting them up for me to explain the situation and.........

Russ: picking up tea glasses.

Karra: yes.

Russ: must be fun on the monitors to watch. 

Karra: yes it is.

(Kiri switches back at this point)

Kiri: all right okay, back to coercion. Where are you off to?

Russ: I'm going to get some tea but since you're getting back into coercion I'll come back. Okay, fire away.

Kiri: okay as it seems that I'll be working with big sis in two weeks on it, I will work on coercion for healing, something I'm not very talented at. So we will be needing the crystals I assume plus the felines and I think that's about it.

Russ: what about the plants?

Kiri: plants, have they been taken care of? That one up there looks very weak, yeah it does.

John: yeah, it's not getting enough sun, it's not in a good spot where it's at. 

Kiri: yeah, oh well.

John: but the umbrella plant's doing quite well. That's what I call that particular plant.

Kiri: okay well, we have how much time on the tape Russ, about 15 minutes?

Russ: at present we are looking at 12 minutes 35 seconds.

Kiri: ooohhhh.

John: well with that oooohhh, it's 12 minutes and 29 seconds now.

Kiri: ooohhhh, 12 minutes and 27 seconds.

(Tia comes back on)

Russ: hi Tia.

John: what's the matter Tia?

Tia: you wouldn't let me talk.

Russ: oh sorry sweetheart.

John: oh we didn't mean to do that, we want to talk to you now though. Don't get pouty on us, we need your help.

Tia: (chuckles) if you had upset me, I would of hissed at you. Okay, it seems like we've covered all the necessary matters and issues.

Johnny: I don't think so, you think we have?

Tia: well you have questions obviously.

John: well do you think we've covered all the necessary issues?

Tia: well all the ones that we have time for so that we don't dive into things and leave them hanging in the air when the recording ends.

John: I'm curious about the four topics we'll be covering from now on and I understand the channeling sessions will be more......

Tia: formal.

John: regimented and formal.

Tia: yes.

John: regimented, is that the correct term or no?

Tia: I don't know, English isn't my language, it's one of my languages.

John: okay formal, you do understand formal?

Tia: uh-huh. I'll have to wear a evening dress. (she's joking)

John: now I'm in a position where I'm going to be working two jobs very soon here and I might not be able to attend the channeling sessions due to my employment.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: is that going to interfere with...?

Tia: not in the slightest, not in the slightest.

John: and how would we work around that?

Tia: we have tapes.

John: yes, I know the concepts of tapes and I know how they work.

Tia: you have a pen and paper for writing questions do you not?

John: yes, I feel more comfortable with being spontaneous and letting them roll off my mind.

Tia: and Russ has a voice does he not?

John: uhh yeah he's got a strong voice.

Russ: more or less.

Tia: (sneezes) what was that?

John: that was a sneeze, Mark sneezed.

Tia: Mark's body sneezed huh? I think he's going to do it again in a few seconds. (sneezes again)

Russ: Tia, since we're going to be dealing with the astral travel section in these four sections, I believe this will make it in two weeks.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: when do you want to do the tips sweetheart?

(Tia's tips on the webpage)

Tia: as soon as possible.

Russ: I would say so.

Tia: yeah, in fact we could probably use part of the time to do that.

Russ: okay.

Tia: uh-hmm okay? Now we've answered all the questions I believe, you got any?

Russ: I'm out of questions.

Tia: you got any?

John: I think they've all been answered, I have much to contemplate. Thank you.

Tia: yes, they've all been answered for the time being. Okay we're going to open it up and widen the field so we can all sit down in the the channeling couches and start discussing.

Russ: good.

(Kiri jumps in)

Kiri: yo.

Russ: yo.

John: hello, yeah?

Tia: uh-huh, so we can have fun and chitchat and so on right now.

John: yeah not too much.

Tia: no we don't have much left on the tape.

John: no and I mean I've gotten some sense of urgency, is that directed at that entity or at me? (pointing at Russ)

Tia: I think it's directed to him. His voice has changed hasn't it?

John: even though we got to get serious and we do have a few moments here for relaxation, I mean what the heck should we do, what should we say, what the heck, should we get some longer tapes or......?

Tia: no, no, no I think they're fine.

(Karra takes over)

Karra: yes I quite agree.

Russ: how you girls doing?

Karra: oh we're doing fine.

Russ: got any butt left?

Karra: ummm, well I have but Kiri on the other hand........

Russ: she's missing a cheek?

Karra: I should say a cheek and a half. I don't know how she's going to go to the bathroom, she doesn't have anything to.....

Russ: well poor girl, well hey, it felt like dad coming down on us too.

Karra: uh-huh, you think you had it bad, poor Kiri was in his office that he had requisitioned for over two hours this afternoon.

Russ: oooohhhh man, how does he get reports about all the stuff?

Karra: I don't know.

Russ: I thought it was more or less a base kind of thing, he only gets excerpts.

Karra: I think the excerpts that he heard was enough.

Russ: the guy's good.

John: I understand Omal was reprimanded.

Karra: oh yes and as was Korton as well.

John: and why were Omal and Korton reprimanded? I don't understand.

Karra: because Korton is in communication and is supposed to be responsible for making sure all communications off the base are of the highest quality, that includes channeling.

Russ: yeah but he okayed that pyramid stuff didn't he?

Karra: umm yes and no, he didn't know what it degenerated into. Omal because he is the base commander and let the rambunctious of a band of nymphomaniacs get out of control.

Russ: oh but it produced some memorable tapes.

Karra: certainly and there will be memorable tapes again but for the time being it is necessary to be businesslike.

John: yes I understand completely.

Karra: uh-huh, I believe we have Christmas off.

Russ: oh good, so we can get a little bit rambunctious at Christmas.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: that's workable. Who's this talking? Teene?

Karra: no.

Russ: who?

Karra: I'm blushing.

Russ: oh you're blushing

Karra: yes.

John: yeah you are blushing and you're blushing through Mark's body also.

Karra: oh really?

John: yes is Mark okay?

(Tia takes over again)

Tia: oh Mark's fine, a little bit tired and his energy's down to I should say about 40% but no biggie.

John: and who the hell are you?

Russ: Tia.

John: (laughs) well I get so confused, do you know how many different people I've talked to from Hades Base? This is very new to me.

Tia: you'll get to understand us all. I'm the one that has the squeaky voice, the little girl voice.

John: Mark has a squeaky voice at best so I get you confused between you know, between you and him.

Tia: oh really?

John: now I'm starting to tell the difference between you and your sister.

Tia: no my sister doesn't live up here, she's on third dimension.

John: okay see, I'm totally confused.

Tia: but let us address a little matter that....

John: oh yeah talk to Russ about it.

Russ: I don't have any little matters.

Tia: Carrie.

(a 3rd dimension guest and someone very special to Tia, Kiri and Karra)

Russ: oh yes Carrie, that's right we have a celebration coming up.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I assume you guys are going to be closely monitoring that, I know you would be.

Tia: oh yes, uh-huh.

Russ: and especially if Mark and I go.

Tia: of course.

Russ: Carrie is getting married as you remember.

John: oh yeah, yeah I got that, uh-huh.

Tia: now I wonder what sprang that on her?

Russ: well she said it happened Saturday morning, you said you didn't succeed until Saturday night?

(the girls were successful trying to help Carrie astral project to the base)

Tia: no we succeeded on Thursday night.

Russ: oh on Thursday night.

Tia: on Tuesday night we failed. Thursday night we succeeded and she was up here for close to a minute but she faded out and as for her not remembering, I'm sure she does remember because it certainly revitalized her sex drive with Mike didn't it?

Russ: yes but she might assume it was something else.

Tia: such as?

Russ: well a partial, fragment of a dream kind of thing?

(Karra takes over)

Karra: fragment of a dream huh?

John: fragment.

Russ: well a minute in the dream world is like an hour down here so hard to say. 

Karra: yeah.

Russ: anyway this is good news. So I reminded her this will be her second wedding then.

Karra: will be. Won't be as fun and as rambunctious.

Russ: no it won't be.

Karra: it will be a very formal and Sirian affair. You try blending two different religions for a ceremony, it was very hard.

Russ: yeah well, if everyone kept their clothes on.

Karra: well it would have been better if everybody was naked and then everybody would have been equal.

(A Sirian custom)

Russ: all right so....

Karra: sorry.

Russ: it's all right sweetheart. Any message I should give her the next time I talk to her?

(Kiri takes over)

Kiri: uh-huh...tell her that I hope she enjoyed the letter and better explain it to her that even though it was signed by Mark it was written by us.

Russ: oh the letter, that's right, you guys wrote her a letter for her.

Kiri: yes we manipulated and stealing through it and the comments and everything that he made whist writing it and after writing it.

John: can I ask you about my friend Sandy, do you know anything of her? She's battling hard in Sedona.....

Kir: uh-huh.

John: and she's been having a rough go of things. She's planning on visiting here and I was just curious, I mean she's very much in tune to a certain degree and very much faraway in a certain degree.

(Karra takes over)

Karra: yes I do remember listening to her in a channeling session and she needs a lot of help.

John: yeah, yeah. Is there anything I can do besides writing her? I'm planning on writing her and getting a letter out to her. Is there anything else I can do to possibly help this woman that you know of?

Karra: I'll have to think on that and ask me in the next channeling session but it is something that there are many possibilities that I could come up with but I'd have to think on what would be best for her.

John: do you have any objection to her coming and visiting Mark and Russ and I?

Karra: well you'd have to ask the master of the house.

John: uhh yeah, I've already discussed it with him but I'm curious about you feel?

Karra: as mistress of the house, I do not see it as a problem. My lackey over there will have everything taken care of at the time.

Russ: of course. Hey Tia, I've question for Tia.

Karra: okay I'll put Tia back on.

Russ: thank you.

(Tia takes over)

Tia: hmmm?

Russ: yo baby.

Tia: hey.

Russ: hey uhh, now I discussed with Omal the fact that we didn't have a set schedule when we started and why we were getting taken to the carpet.

Tia: yes you did if you remember?

Russ: we had a two year plus something.

Tia: and how long ago that set up?

Russ: a couple months ago?

Tia: no, it was set up closer to a year ago.

Russ: a year ago?

Tia: originally.

Russ: oh all right, but well the question comes down to is with this new edict from Omal......I mean Ashtar.....a something that brings our time frame a little bit more into our own home ballpark here that we have to focus more closely on it because now we are set on a....

Tia: eight-week schedule.

Russ: eight-week schedule right. Which breaks down into, yeah we'll do eight weeks but then we're getting another eight weeks after that kind of thing.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean we're into a.........we're set for what's coming up now.

Tia: yes.

Russ: okay, that's why it's all work and no play, well a little play.

Tia: a little play yes.

Russ: okay.

Tia: no comments about flipping people over and making them a lollipop.

Russ: yes unfortunately. Another thing is, for a proper meta-concert practice, we're going to need more people. We are seriously understaffed. We need more than four at least.

Tia: well there is Skip.

Russ: Skip is once in a while, it's nothing we can depend on for a regular practice for eight straight weeks.

John: excuse me ladies and gentlemen, can I inject?

Tia: certainly.

John: would it be practical for us to advertise quote unquote? Or I mean what approach do you take, I mean how do we find other people who are as interested and dedicated?

Tia: it is something that has to be done with caution because you do get the lunatic fringe out there. 

Russ: so what she is saying is yeah basically, you put an ad in the paper and we have to be very selective and so it's best to work it out through word-of-mouth or people that we can pretty much depend on. All right back to my original question, how do you want to work about expanding this group out a little bit? Plan inflation?

(inflation was on the rise at the time)

Tia: plan inflation, yes that might work.

Russ: okay, let's go that route.

Tia: uh-huh...

Russ: I'll try and get a serious meta-concert group going if we have to do eight weeks of meta-concert practice. Me and Johnny and you guys are enough to get a core group going but we need to expand this project out a little bit.

Tia: and we need to get Mark involved in the meta-concert more frequently. He does do work up here on it with the Cubs and that's certainly very different from dealing with adults of a different nature.

Russ: well I'd like to get a female energy into this somehow or another.

Tia: oh certainly, certainly. And then of course there is another person that would be quite a potential but she's totally occupied with raising her little infant.

Russ: oh, that's right.

Tia: hmmm, funny 12 minutes and 27 seconds.

Russ: yeah the tape broke or something. Oh well.

Tia: tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock.

John: well it was pretty heavy with Ashtar right in the beginning there. I mean God, like you and I are looking at each other going, "what the heck was going on here?" I mean that was intense, he was not happy.

Tia: you want to see him unhappy?

John: no I don't want to see him unhappy, I've seen him as unhappy as I want to see him okay? I don't want to see him unhappy, you know what I mean?

Tia: no, you don't.

John: no.

Russ: well he's just being serious because of the seriousness of what's we're looking for in the future John. He's just merely reflecting what we need to reflect to prepare ourselves for what we have to deal with later.

John: so what did you think about my questions about the Western hemisphere?

Russ: oh yeah.

John: were you relating to that at all?

Russ: oh sure, uh-huh the Indians and the paramilitary groups, quite informational.

John: yeah, yeah uh-huh.

Tia: uh-huh, I think so too.

Russ: you know, another thing I might start working a little bit on is tarot cards.

John: oh God, thank you Russ, can I interrupt here?

Tia: certainly.

John: okay, I've been debating, Russ has given me two past life regressions, these are many years ago..........

Tia: yes certainly.

John: they were very, very influential on my life. And we got to a point where we were dabbling too much with the tarot and it kind of got out of control but everything that I had, happened in four or five readings that happened over a couple weeks, happened over the next couple years.

Tia: yeah.

John: and I don't want to abuse the information but I'm curious, do you think it'd be beneficial for me to get another past life regression?

Tia: certainly, I don't see any harm in it. It may be necessary to wash out, I've been listening to Russ too much, wash out certain cobwebs....


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