SIDE ONE
(Karra comes on in her formal duties
to introduce the first of the honored dignitaries)
Skip: okay, we're on the air babe.
Karra: hey, greetings and salutations
and welcome. Tonight, we're going to go straight to
the speakers to start off with and as soon as they
are done we will get back to a normal format. In the
meantime, what we will do is we will put on the
first speaker in a few moments after we've done the
introductions of Russ, say hello please.
Russ: hello.
Karra: Skip.
Skip: good evening young lady.
Karra: and young man, you are vaguely
familiar, you are....
Shane: Shane.
Karra: Shane, okay.
Russ: why don't you pull your chair up
a little bit more Shane so we can get it on the
tape.
Karra: okay. As I said we have some
very special guests here tonight so we will without
further ado I will step aside and we will put on our
first guest speaker.
(Ashtar
gets things started)
Ashtar: greetings and felicitations.
It is an honor and a pleasure to be here this
evening in a communication that we will now commence
with. It has been brought to my attention that
contact has been established with a Zeta group which
is part of our design planned for expediting
the current conferences which will be starting in a
brief period of time. The definition of brief is a
statement which is in our perception different from
your definition of brief. Whether it is one year or
a hundred years is besides the point whilst that is
a brief moment in time. The purpose of these
discussions will become more clear even though there
is a little bit of negativity and hostility being
projected by the Zeta Reticuloids and their
reptilian allies. It is with difficulty that these
hurdles must be overcome to facilitate a speedy and
understandable communication which will be able to
aid in the growth of the spiritual consciousness of
your planet. We are not going to take a moral high
road or a moral low road, we
are going to react in a way that will facilitate the
growth for all people for the best possible outcome
for all parties involved. The spiritual growth that
is necessary for your planet is something that all
parties involved must help. We are here to ask a
number of questions. First of all the first question
is, where do you perceive your spiritual
consciousness going?
Russ: at present, I personally see our
spiritual consciousness growing toward a higher
dimension to make an evolutionary leap.
Ashtar: is that as a individual your
personal beliefs or as a whole as in a racial
belief?
Russ: that is my personal feelings for
us as a race.
Ashtar: okay but what is the race
feeling? We have three representatives here, what is
your feelings?
Skip: from what I can gather and what
I've seen happen in the last 10 to 15 years which is
a moment in your time I understand, but it appears
to me that more and more and more of our world is
becoming to the point of where they're talking about
seeing the light which is spiritual growth as far as
I can see.
Ashtar: okay second question, young
man, do you have anything as you are the youngest
member here that you wish to comment on concerning
your perception of spiritual growth?
Shane: uh-uh.
Ashtar: nothing at this time?
Shane: no, nothing.
Ashtar: okay. Okay second question is
concerning what is the perception of the various
racial entities and the groups involved in these
discussions? Again, I would like an answer
from each of you please.
Russ: okay, the Zeta Reticuli have got
a almost what you might call media blitz going
whereby they are presented as the one and only alien
species that is out there working for either the
benefit or the non-benefit of humans depending on
which particular thing you see. On a racial level,
other species just aren't really represented in any
kind of media or any kind of presentation so it's
really kind of one-sided right now on a racial basis
down here of how people perceive other
races.
Skip: now wait a minute, can I ask a
question so I can understand this a little bit
better? Are you talking about the racial entities on
our planet or how we perceive other races within the
universe?
Ashtar: the other races within the
universe.
Skip: ahhh okay. I really don't know,
I really can't give you an answer on that. It's a
little bit beyond my comprehension at the present
time.
Ashtar: young man?
Shane: I don't have anything to say.
Ashtar: okay. With it in mind that
there seems to be a perception in some quarters that
there is a media quote unquote blitz going on with
one particular species, then this may present a
problem in being able to get more individuals active
within the negotiation process. How would you feel
about a entity that is more humanoid in appearance?
Russ: I think it would reflect well on
the talks themselves as people would respond better
to that as opposed to something that is more unhuman-like
due to the fact that really the only other unhuman-like
alien you ever really see perceived are kind of
really etheric.
Skip: yeah theoretically through our
media or whatever they've perceived other races or
other beings as completely alien to our sight,
communications, whatever. To have a humanoid more
representative or appearance in humanoid form would
probably further the talks a lot faster than having
a nonhuman form okay?
Ashtar: okay. Young man?
Shane: nope.
Ashtar: no comment at this time, okay.
With that in mind, somebody that would be more of a
humanoid quote earthling appearance would be much
more suitable than somebody of a more ethereal
appearance so therefore for your ease of mind and
that of your species, it would be easier to have an
individual that sounded and looked more as you do,
is that correct?
Russ: correct.
Shane: uh-huh.
Skip: yes, I believe you're
correct there yeah.
Ashtar: okay, thank you,
I have nothing to add at this time.
Skip: okay.
(Karra returns to hand off to the next dignitary)
Skip: yeah, that would make it a lot
quicker, people would be more comfortable with that
kind of appearance.
Russ: right.
Shane: somebody's here.
Karra: you're very, very intuitive
aren't you?
Shane: what does that mean?
Karra: that means you are very
instinctual or observant. Intuitive being intuition.
Shane: I just like to see the
little....then I know that someone's here.
Karra: okay, all fun aside, okay we
will continue with our next speaker and we will go
through the next speaker as expediently as possible
and then we will have our final speaker shortly
thereafter. I probably won't interrupt in between,
okay?
Skip: all right darling.
(Monka comes on to ask
questions on the technical aspects of the
conference)
Monka: greetings and felicitations and
again, welcome on behalf of my esteemed colleague
that spoke prior and Madame ambassador. It is my
duty as a communicator and a historian to be able to
talk to you tonight on the technological advances
that I have been commenting on in previous
discussions that we have had with your small group.
You'll have to excuse my energy flow, it seems to be
interrupting the host body's natural energy flow.
Where we will go with this brief comments and then I
too will ask some questions is concerning the
technological interaction with the medium that you
wish to use. It seems to me having observed and
analyzed various data that now it is getting close
to the desired point that we wish where once the
discussions start to take place, it can be done in a
much more easier format then either dictating or by
using your digitals to type in messages on a
keyboard instrument. It is now getting to the point
where due to your currency flow that the cost of
little apparatuses for viewing are becoming from a
prohibited price to a inexpensive price and so
therefore you will be able to use these mediums to
be able to have recorded announcements through the
host's vocal capacities and to be able to interact
at certain times, at prearranged times so that all
parties can from time to time meet as it were
face-to-face even though it will be through the
medium of your current entertainment system of the Internet.
The purpose would be more useful and more
user-friendly so therefore it would be putting a
human face on the discussions. However the problem I
perceive is that some of the entities may not wish
to do so and those that do may be working through
mediums that would be into using fiscal currencies
so unfortunately that would slow down the process.
But, with the technology that I see very soon to be
more used and the non-prohibitive price of the
equipment relating to this will definitely speed up
the process and give access to those individuals
that have the desire to be able to communicate in
this medium. Now the first question that I will be
asking is how do you feel about the interaction and
the current growth in the technology that you are
using with the ability to view over great distances
using your entertainment medium and news services
over your digital cabling system?
Russ: well the digital cabling is
allowing faster internet access in
various parts that it's at. Unfortunately there are
still many parts that don't have such technology as
yet and still rely on dial-out modems
which would slow down the connection speed as far as
making this workable. As far as the other goes is
the capabilities now with the cameras is it's still
camera ready as far as conference call but a lot of
it is still having to type in the answers and the
questions on a keyboard to have them pop up next to
the image that's being displayed.
Monka: hmmm....I am under the
impression that this is about to change.
Russ: hmm, I haven't heard much on
that yet though the technology is there, it's just
like I said, that's still not quite as inexpensive
yet....oh wait...
Skip: videophone.
Russ: videophone of course.
Skip: yes it is, it is. It's feasible
right now.
Russ: right, you know more about that
than I do actually Skip.
Skip: yes I do. Videophone.....excuse
me, I didn't mean to interrupt.
Monka: no, that was desired.
Skip: videophone is a video camera on
top of our screens which we view and talking over a
phone through the net, you can see the person you're
talking to and they can see you. And it is over
telephone lines like Russ said, there's a lot of
areas that don't have the cable yet but the cable
companies are very, very hot on this because it is a
lot faster than the telephone lines.
Monka: okay.
Skip: these are both our means of
communications but the equipment has come down in
price to a point where most people can afford it.
Monka: okay now concerning the cable,
am I correct in assuming that that is a metal cable
encased in a plastic and ceramic casing?
Russ: fiber-optic.
Monka: fiber-optic.
Skip: it's fiber-optics and it's a lot
quicker than the telephone which is plastic and
metal okay?
Monka: okay. And also is it
correct.......am I correct in assuming that
satellite capability would be even faster?
Russ: right.
Skip: yeah but I don't know if that is
in complete operation yet or not.
Russ: almost, Microsoft
has got another year left before it gets
distributed.
Skip: yeah ALO has been doing that
aren't they?
Russ: right, there is enough
satellites.
Monka: as Ashtar said, that time to us
is a different perception then of your time.
Skip: yeah. Well it's in the near
future let's put it that way.
Russ: blink of an eye for your time
perception right.
Skip: yeah it will be....it will be in
operation by the time these discussions start I
believe.
Monka: good, so it would be easy to
say that once the discussions start we would be able
to go from one set of communication systems to a
much more sophisticated and less cost prohibitive
than the original investment made by individuals in
more primitive communication systems?
Russ: correct, definitely.
Skip: correct, yeah, yeah.
Monka: okay and to this end it would
be easier once this system installs to work as a
group being the earth human group as opposed to
other groups to work together to improve each others
communication systems and mediums?
Skip: yeah we're doing that constantly
trying to upgrade our own communications within our
sphere of communication now. Everybody's trying to
do this is upgrade so that we can get better.
Monka: okay.
Skip: that's the only way I can put it
is better.
Monka: okay, so following a vein
similar to Ashtar's, it would be easier to have a
representative from the world of Sirius that was
fluent in your English communication, would that be
beneficial?
Russ: uh-huh, absolutely.
Skip: yes indeed, yes indeed.
Monka: so to select an individual,
they would be necessary to be very communicative and
learning ability would have to be high so that they
could learn your interesting local dialects?
Skip: yeah our colloquialisms and
idiosyncrasies and stuff like that, yeah you're
correct.
Monka: so it would be useful for an
individual that may have possibly had time, served
on your planet?
Russ: uh-huh. Though also...
Monka: or why that would not be
suitable.
Russ: well, though also there is a
certain amount of decorum that would be necessary
for this.
Skip: well not only that, but you're
going to run into a little bit of a challenge here
of different parts of even our nation have
different.......we call them brogues, dialects.
Monka: I am familiar.
Skip: they're not that far from the
English, American language. I can't say English
because that's a different, that's a different way
of speaking than Americans do okay?
Monka: I am aware that English has
many different varieties within it under one auspice
of a name even though it would be correct to say
that there is American, there is Canadian, there is
New Zealand, there is South African, Australian and
of course, English.
Skip: yeah you understand then, I was
just trying to put that in there because that's
going to have to be learned by whoever talks to us
to the different areas of the country, they're going
to have to know these things.
Monka: so an individual that has a
more generic American accent would be more suitable
than an individual that has no accent all?
Russ: well your accent for example
using Mark's body right now and the way it's coming
out.....
Monka: I am aware that it does have a
English, English hint to it.
Russ: right, but still it's perfect
for what you're looking for I think.
Skip: yeah I think so too. I think
Russ is correct in his assumption.
Monka: hmmm, I would be unable to
participate.
Russ: right but whoever you did would
have to......if they had your same English
capabilities and way of speaking would
be perfectly workable.
Monka: Hostine would also be
unavailable due to the fact that he has more of what
you would call a southern surf language?
Russ: ahhh, Monk.
(a
speaker we had spoken to from Sirius before)
Skip: oh Monk. Yeah but that's okay,
several of the people that we have spoken to from
Sirius or Ashtar Command have got command of the
language that's very acceptable.
Monka: we feel that it would be best
to have an individual that has had little or no
contact with your planet so therefore it would be an
unbiased and unopinionated point of view that would
be able to be used. The feeling that we are getting
is that if we had a individual that had experience
with your planet, they would be tainted by the
perceptions of the planet.
Russ: quite true.
Monka: so therefore an individual that
is totally unknowing of the setup would be an ideal
candidate. Am I correct in assuming that?
Skip: yeah there you go.
Russ: absolutely.
Skip: you're completely right there.
Monka: okay final question is
concerning the necessary security to start off with
these discussions and the security of the
communication systems. Am I correct in assuming that
using a system that would be difficult to interfere
with would be feasible?
Russ: well it's not so much the system
as the software involved but yes it
is feasible. You could set it up so that it's
password-protected.
Monka: what about the term encrypting?
Russ: as long as everyone has all the
right encryption gear on all ends it could be done
yeah.
Monka: that is something that can be
worked upon?
Russ: uh-huh, absolutely.
Shane: I have an idea, you know how
they've got all those eye retina scanners?
Russ: well that's a little......that's
going to a financial extreme there.
Skip: that's way ahead of us.
Shane: uh-uh.
Skip: yes it is, it's way ahead of us
with our computers.
Shane: oh, with the computers yeah.
Russ: it's getting there, we're close.
Skip: we're close but no cigar yet
okay?
Russ: anyway yeah, the encryption
would work as far as keeping anybody from coming
into it. It could still be hacked, but it would be a
lot tougher.
Monka: okay, what about an encryption
system with the terminology fire breaks?
Russ: oh firewalls yeah? Yes,
basically you'd have to run it with your servers
that are going through, each of the
various speakers would have to go through a firewall
that's right, that would keep the encryption secure,
so a secure server right.
Skip: yeah, yeah, firewall would do
that.
Monka: okay thank you.
Skip: you're sharper on that than I
am.
Russ: yeah.
Monka: okay thank you very much..
Russ: my pleasure, enjoy. Yeah a
firewall would work well.
Skip: yeah you're sharper on that than
I am. I don't know that much about firewalls. See,
you're way ahead of me Russ when it comes...
Shane: hmmm...
Skip: you are, you're way ahead of me.
(President Tanaka changes places
with Monka)
Tanaka: greetings.
Russ: greetings.
Skip: greetings.
Tanaka: greetings. I am honored to be
the last speaker. It is my honor and privilege to be
the the elected representative of Sirius that has
been elected to attend tonight in my duties as
president. I formally thank all of you for
participating in these discussions. I also thank you
for being present this evening and asking and
answering questions that are very useful in helping
us to formulate a answer and a discussion that will
aid us with our various council members to select an
individual that would be ideal for the position that
we are offering. The individual is not an
ambassador. The individual is a representative to
the discussions from Sirius but not an ambassadorial
position as to have two ambassadors on Hades Base
from Sirius would be a serious conflict and an
insult to the current ambassador and make the
position of the current ambassador very tenuous and
difficult. This individual will report directly to
the ambassador who in turn will report directly to
myself and my successor or the successor that will
follow the current ambassador once the position is
vacant if that is so desired by the current
ambassador. It is my duty as president to welcome
all individuals that are going to be participating
and you are participating in the basic startup
process so on behalf of Sirius, I
thank you deeply. It is an honor and a pleasure to
be able to communicate with a wide cross-section of
age within your planet from the youngest to one of
the most senior being present. It is also my duty to
make myself available through the ambassador for any
questions that any of you have to ask or any
suggestions that you feel may be useful for the
discussion. Again it is my honor and a privilege to
be here and thank you very much.
Russ: thank you.
Skip: thank you.
(Karra returns to hand over the
ring mistress duties back to Kiri)
Russ: that is Kiri and Karra's father.
Skip: oh okay.
Russ: President Tanaka or dad.
Skip: super, super. My pleasure.
Russ: dad, as we call him.
Karra: please, at the moment that
would not be appropriate.
Russ: no it would not.
Skip: no I understand that but it is
an honor.
Russ: I do have a question though is
I'm not exactly clear on what are the duties of this
person from Sirius that they're going to be doing with
the conference?
Karra: I don't think they're too clear
at this time either.
Russ:
oh.
Karra:
it is nice to
have it confirmed that it will not be a......
Russ: ambassadorial.
Karra: thank you, an ambassadorial
position and as this is a formal moment Russ, thank
you, it is a very difficult position and to have an
individual in my jurisdiction as a possible
assistant, ambassador or an undersecretary for
whatever purpose is going to definitely be a
position that is going to be difficult and demanding
for the individual. As I am the ambassador, I will
answer any questions that are open and have been
brought forth at this time. Are there any questions?
Skip: I have one just for my own
curiosity, is Sirius going to
choose a representative from the earth to go into
this conference, talks, discussions, however you
want to put it?
Karra: more than likely, that will be
the case. There will be a representative from earth
that will be brought in. Again, somebody that is
having the best interests of your species at heart.
Not an individual that has worked with any group
whatsoever in the past
Skip: uh-huh okay. Thank you, I
appreciate that.
Karra: no problem. Any more questions?
Skip: no thank you.
Shane: no.
Russ: basically I have one is on
the just what we know of the communication abilities
for this conference, I assume that there's going to
be various forms of communication used and not just
restricting it to just one.
Karra: that is correct.
Russ: okay.
Skip: oh okay, all right.
Karra: okay. Thank
you very much, on behalf of the
Council of Sirius and the Council of 12, it has been
an honor and a pleasure.
Skip: thank you very much.
Russ: thank you.
(Kiri resumes
her normal ring mistress duties)
Russ: so it
would be more like chat rooms and a
videoconference phone and regular email
transferring back and forth.
Skip: hey baby.
Kiri: hey, hey,
hey.
Skip: you all
right?
Kiri: yeah.
Skip: okay.
Kiri: I'm cool,
I'm hip.
Skip: you been
listening in to what's been going on?
Kiri: oh very
much so.
Skip: oh I
figured you was, I figured you was.
Kiri: yeah we're
sitting here watching very intently all the
comings and goings. Everybody has been stiff and
formal, myself included.
Skip: yeah I
noticed. Now you can relax.
Kiri: uh-huh, I
can relax. Big sis is walking everybody to the
door doing the formal ambassadorial positions,
Madam ambassador. Okay, you got any questions?
Russ: how many
are we limited to?
Kiri: well
there's going to be Omal will be present in a few
I think. I'm not in on what is going on
fortunately, I wouldn't want the headaches that my
sister has been going through.
Russ:
stomachaches would be a better word for it.
Kiri: yes she's
been discussing that with Mark as well actually.
Russ: she's been
going through a stomachaches all day on this one.
Skip: oh boy.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: uh yeah
question darling.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: these
talks.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: can't be
limited to one individual to represent each
planet, that won't work.
Kiri: well why
not?
Skip: well,
looking at our own planet.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: there isn't
in my estimation any one person that has that much
ability or trust or faith in this planet to
represent it.
Kiri: so what
you're saying is that an individual from your
planet would be able to be corrupted and put in
their own personal views as opposed to what would
be beneficial for the all?
Skip: yes, yes, I
really believe that because I have never in my
lifetime which is a short period of time in your
estimation.
Kiri: hey, you're
older than I am almost. Nope, I'm older.
Skip: seen or
heard of any one person that can handle that kind
of responsibility, faith and loyalty okay?
Kiri: okay so if
I am correct, it would be better to have a group
of individuals representing your species?
Skip: I believe
so and the reason why I'm going along with the
group theory is because each one of them will keep
the rest of them honest.
Kiri: ahh, I see
an idea.
Skip: do you
understand where I'm coming from?
Russ: actually I
have a different viewpoint on that.
Skip: okay, go
ahead.
Russ: well due to
the fact that the representatives from each race,
and since we are hosting, are actually going to be
channels from this planet. In other words, we're
gathering people together to channel from each
different race so all at the same time can work
through the channels in these conversations and
these conferences. So therefore you are actually
getting a number of humans together in the
purposes of conducting these conferences, it's
just that when they're channeling, it will be the
entities representing each of those races that
will be there but each race is actually
represented by a human.
(Ashtar makes a
surprise
return.)
Ashtar: am I correct in assuming that
it would be more suitable to have a group of
independent individuals, possibly one person from
your planet to one person from each other planet or
species? For example, one earth person for one
person representing the Zetas. Another earth person
from earth to negotiate with the Sirians.
And one individual for the individual that would be
channeling from the Pleiadians. So it would
be one earth person per other channel?
Russ: right.....well no not
per channel but each earth person would be gone
while they were channeling.
Ashtar: no, what I'm saying is that an
earth person if there are eight races involved then
there are eight earth representatives. Would that be
more beneficial?
Russ: it would seem to be, that would
give a better cross-section.
Ashtar: so as in your legal system you
have a jury, then a jury of individuals to the
equivalent number of species involved in the
discussions would be better?
Russ: hmm.
Skip: hmmm, that would be one I'd have
to start thinking about really hard. The only
drawback that I've got and thought
that comes to the back of my mind and I'm going to
voice it is, any of these people that are speaking
through the channels can more or less impose or
intercede their own thoughts which can be corrupt
through the channel.
Ashtar: that is correct, that is why I
am thinking that it would be better to have an equal
number of earth representatives that would be able
to spot and maybe force the situation to change.
Skip: yeah because I think a group of
individuals even though they're dedicated, would
keep each other honest. Does that make sense?
Ashtar: that makes logical sense.
Skip: because you take one person, if
he thinks about being corrupt, he can do it and he
doesn't have to answer to anybody. If there's
several of them, then he don't think about being
corrupt because there is other people present while
things are going on.
Ashtar: you bring up a very
interesting point that we will look at and it is a
point that is definitely necessary to be addressed.
Skip: okay.
Russ: uh-huh.
Skip: I'm sorry, I just had to voice
this because it's too easy for one person to become
corrupt.
Ashtar: it is very good that you bring
it up. It is something that we have overlooked in
our trying to create an equal footing but it is
something that is very correct for you to bring to
the forefront at this time. It is something that it
is better to have it brought to the forefront at
this time then once the discussions have started.
Because it would be difficult....
Skip: to change.
Ashtar: to....exactly.
Skip: to change yeah.
Ashtar: we would be back to square one
if we had to change representatives from your planet
whereas if you have five or eight individuals, one
can definitely fall by the wayside or even two and
you can still continue whilst replacements are
looked for and are given the information to fill in.
Whereas if one individual was the only
representative and that individual for whatever
reason became unable to participate, then there
would be no representative from your planet so
therefore it would be very useful. What a further
idea might be is for each representative that there
is a replacement representative that is informed of
what is going on but not of the points of view of
the individuals that are involved. So therefore they
would be kept informed at all times of what is going
on.
Russ: uh-huh.
Skip: so if anything happened they
could step into their place.
Ashtar: that is correct.
Skip: yeah, yeah, that
would be great.
Ashtar: okay, do you have any more
concerns that are, should be brought up at this
time?
Russ: no, can't say......
Skip: I don't think so,
that
was the one that was really bothering me.
Ashtar: okay as President Tanaka said,
if you have any concerns, any ideas, if you could
forward that information to himself through the
ambassador, that would be very useful and
obviously it would be brought to our attention
immediately these concerns are given.
Russ: okay.
Skip: okay.
Ashtar: if you know of anybody else
that has concerns or brings up concerns, again
forward it on to President Tanaka
and then it will be forwarded on to us to be looked
upon.
Russ: excellent.
Skip: okay thank you.
Ashtar: thank you.
Skip: thank you.
(Kiri takes over her
responsibilities once more.)
Skip: yeah, that's the only concern I
had was being....
Russ: that's a good one after I had
been talking like I say, well Mark has been to the
representatives of the Zeta and the Reptoids and
there has been some....
Kiri: I'm back.
Russ: kind of negativity coming from
those quarters towards that point.
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: so it's better to have something
as far as backup concerned.
Skip: well you stop and figure out,
one individual representing the earth. He's
faithful, he's honest, he's correct.......oh I'm
sorry.....
Kiri: he? What's wrong with she?
Skip: no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just
using that as a....
Russ: generic term.
Skip: right.
Kiri: ohhh.
Skip: now be nice. But still,
understand this person realizes that, "hey, I can
rule the whole world by doing this. I can influence
the whole world by being in these talks."
Russ: that's true.
Skip: to my advantage and
who do I have to answer to? Nobody if I'm the only
representative.
Kiri: uh-huh and I'm glad
you brought up those points and I'm glad that Ashtar
was listening.
Russ: yeah I thought she.......Karra was
walking them to the door, I turned around
going, "oh wait a minute."
(everyone laughs)
Russ: I hear something.
Skip: I'm sorry, I just.....it was
bothering me so I figured I better bring it up.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: as Kiri's going, "excuse me."
Kiri: it wasn't quite like that. It
was, I'm talking and all of a sudden there's Ashtar
standing right in front of me and it's sort of like,
"I think I better hand over here."
Skip: well, thank you anyhow.
Kiri: no problem, no problem
okay.......as I'm back to my ring mistress duties,
I'm going to go and change and we will put
on.....we'll put on somebody that's loitering.
Skip: what?
Russ: loitering, just
hanging around.
Shane: loitering, there you go.
Russ: waiting to talk.
(Lyka takes a break from her
honor guard duties)
Skip: yes?
Russ: you get
arrested for loitering around here.
Lyka: okay.
Russ: Lyka?
Lyka: uh-huh.
Russ: hi Lyka.
Skip: oh hi sweetheart, how are you
doing?
Russ: busy night dear.
Lyka: yeah.
Skip: real busy.
Lyka: and okay as I'm not actually
loitering, I was actually being very formal and
official as the commanding officer present.
Skip: oh yeah.
Russ: oh yeah, the honor guard.
Skip: you would be, right the honor
guard.
Lyka: even though.....
Russ: isn't that armor kind of
uncomfortable on you right now?
Lyka: not as commanding officer, I
don't have to wear it, I wear a dress uniform that
has been altered.
Skip: oh okay, all right okay. That
will fit your.....
Lyka: my belly?
Skip: yeah.
Lyka: in my current condition.
(she
is pregnant)
Skip: okay.
Lyka: okay, well?
Skip: well?
Russ: well? Whatcha got to say?
Lyka: I got to say that very
informative, very interesting.
Russ: uh-huh.
Lyka: I've been reading about some of
your political negotiations.
Russ: ahhh, which ones?
Lyka: ones that lead up to hostilities
or ones designed to prevent hostilities.
Russ: oh, like the Wry
River discussion and......
Lyka: uh-huh, and.....
Russ: the Kosovo
conflict talks?
Lyka: uh-huh. The discussions and signing
of the Magna Carta at Runnymede on the River
Thames I think it was. The discussions leading up to
the release of Hong Kong or the secession, not the
secession, the giving of Hong Kong to a foreign
crown and then the discussions leading up to the
return of the possessions from a crown. The
discussions concerning another little province
called Macau that are going on.
Russ: 12th of December.
Skip: uh-huh.
Lyka: also various other discussions
over long periods of time.
Russ: does this mean you passed your
ballistics test then?
Lyka: I'm still working on ballistics.
Russ: oh.
Skip: I got a question.
Lyka: uh-huh.
Skip: what is the matter with educated
people that are discussing other people's faith in
these talks per se? Why can't they
just be honest with each other and settle the cotton
picking thing?
Lyka: oh okay, I was little confused
for a second there. I don't know, I'm looking at it
with as much dumbfoundment as you are. I cannot
understand that the maneuvering of individuals for
example, the Kosovo situation. The maneuvering and
the discussions and the political ramifications of
"what's best for me, what's my angle, how can I get
what I want, how can I get what suits my group
better than anybody else's group?" To me it's
totally dumbfounding. I was reading a thing, a
dissertation or a copy of scripts from probably
about 1300 to the early 1400's which ended up with
two colonial powers dividing the then known and
unknown planet into spheres of influences and
possession. I'm talking about the Portugal,
Spain.....
Russ: uh-huh.
Lyka: do you know how long they went
on?
Skip: I have no idea but it's so
stupid.
Lyka: uh-huh.
Skip: the people...
Russ: well not really, you talk about
the about the money that was involved.
Skip: money isn't the important thing
as far as I can see, it's
the people that's the important thing.
Lyka: uh-huh. Skip is quite correct
and the thing that I see having read a whole wide
variety of situations where negotiations and
discussions are held is that it's all done for
personal gain, personal glory, it's
not for the common good. What
is best for all parties involved and those few
individuals that have to me seems to have been
stepped upon, trod upon or looked upon as negative
or bad instead of what is good for their little
group or themselves.
Russ: well there I sort of disagree a
little bit.
Lyka: uh-huh.
Russ: due to the fact that from my
experience and my studies in it has shown that
whenever somebody takes control of a country let's
say or becomes in a position of power, along with
that comes a position of responsibility also to that
country that they are in charge of and it's just
like for myself owning a house, if I buy my house,
now all of a sudden I have my property taxes, I've
got my water bill, my electric bill, garbage bill,
things like that that just keep coming on, they're
not going to stop and I have to keep paying them and
the money has to come from somewhere and so maybe
with these countries is similar to owning a house.
It's not so much for personal gain as to keep the
bills paid and in the whole that does help out the
whole.
Lyka: yes but the way that I see it,
let us take the most recent ones I've been reading
upon is that it's more along the lines to use your
analogy, preferring one bedroom over the rest of the
house and having just that one bedroom as the area
that is maintained and cleaned and looked after to
the utmost ability and all the rest just being left,
never being cleaned, never being looked after, never
being worked upon.
Skip: a prime example is the
Philippines.
Russ: hmmm.
Skip: the president of the Philippines
had millions stashed away while his people starved.
Russ: true.
Skip: okay? That's a prime example of
taking care of your country.
Lyka: bye.
Skip: okay darlin', I'm sorry,
I didn't mean to get you involved in something like
that. Later.
(Kiri
returns to finish up side one)
Skip: that sounds like my truck.
Russ: can't be your truck.
Shane: uh-uh, yours is louder.
Kiri: she had to go.
Skip: yeah.
Kiri: and when I say she had to go,
she had to go.
Skip: mother nature calling.
Kiri: uh-huh, it would spoil her
uniform and she can go and change now
too. Okay.......
Skip: now we're getting involved in
some pretty heavy discussions tonight.
Kiri: uh-huh, I was about to say, you
should have carried on there because I think some of
the.....
SIDE
ONE ENDS
|
SIDE TWO
(Kiri gets side two started before passing on to the
next speaker)
Skip: okay, alright.
Kiri:
but what I'm suggesting is have just a pure section
that is in between tapes. Discussions that follow on
between each speaker because I've noticed that you
guys do in between speakers, have discussions that
go on.
Skip: yeah, we shouldn't do that.
Kiri: no, no, no I think it's great, I
think it's great because to put that in at the end
of each speaker, well that should be the best way to
go.
Skip: yeah, that might be.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: that might be. Course that has
to be up to Russ, he's the gentlemen that handles
all that.
Kiri: I will talk to Madam ambassador.
Russ: I'm the one with the
sore fingers.
Skip: along with the sore fingers.
Kiri: I will talk to Madam ambassador.
Russ: okay, she needs a good laugh.
Kiri: okay.
Shane: goodbye.
Kiri: hey, I'll be back.
Skip: okay.
Kiri: I'm the ring mistress.
Skip: yeah.
Kiri: of this thinning crowd.
(Omal takes his turn in
the
channeling field)
Omal: greetings and felicitations
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: greetings, greetings, greetings.
Skip: greetings Omal, how are you this
evening sir?
Omal: I am functioning well. Okay....
Skip: nice to see you again.
Omal: yes, it is nice to be present
and having got the formal things out of the way, we
seem to be having a throat problem here.
Would it be possible to get some kind of beverage
please?
Russ: oh, on the way, on the way.
Skip: yes.
Omal: and if you can find some kind of
cough suppressant? I think they have strained his
voice.
Skip: yeah that could be, they were
pushing pretty hard there. But it's okay, it's all
come out as good information.
Russ: I can get chocolate milk or I
can do water.
Omal: water would be sufficient.
Russ: when was last time you had a
good chocolate milk Omal?
Omal: almost as.....when was the last
time I had some good orange juice?
Russ: yeah.
Skip: yeah. Okay.....
Russ: okay, where is the cough
suppressants?
Omal: Kiri is suggesting that you look
in the drawers.
Russ: ahh, the drawers.
Omal: okay...
Skip: what have you brought for us
tonight?
Omal: there is not much that I can
discuss due to the fact of the nature of the
discussions that you gentlemen have just been
through.
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: thank you. There are a few
observations that I think are interesting that you
may not have picked up on was an example that Monka
showed very well that he was probing everybody
present.
Russ: he didn't let on.
Omal: he let on briefly.
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: and I believe Skip actually
caught on to what was going on.
(Skip laughs)
Omal: but it was done in a way that
aided in the discussion, pushing it in a correct
direction.
Russ: oh I see what he was doing.
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: he was probing and directing.
Omal: correct.
Russ: right.
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: coercion.
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: good guy.
Skip: done a pretty good job too.
Omal: uh-huh, but it was very
informative. We can all relax, the only person of
the visiting dignitaries that is still present is
Tanaka and he is sitting talking with his daughters
in a more relaxed family moment would be a better
way to describe it.
Skip: good.
Omal: but concerning what is going on,
I must confess that I was pleasantly surprised on
how easy-going the whole entire discussion was and
also how informative the answers were. That is a
complement to you guys for giving answers that were
to the point and informative.
Russ: anyway, I do have a technical
question about this whole entire conference thing.
Omal: certainly.
Russ: with the extra people
working.....
Skip: backups?
Russ: backups.
Skip: yeah.
Russ: doesn't that make the problem of
arranging this just a little bit longer and a little
more complicated?
Omal: correct.
Russ: I was starting to wonder about
the technicalities of it all.
Omal: that is something that will be
dealt with as we continue. At the moment the main
concern of our visiting dignitaries was to find an
individual that would be suitable from Sirius to
represent Sirius to the discussions. Somebody that
would have the best interests with the most fair and
even attitude available. Somebody that would be able
to work well within the environment,
to
be able to, what would be a better word? To be the
ideal candidate to represent the interests of Sirius
but also be fair, to be able to negotiate well by
knowing your mentalities.
Russ: so we might have him for a
channeling speaker quite a few times?
Omal: probably.
Russ: okay.
Omal: but there again, I also get the
impression that that would not be the case as that
would be influencing the individual.
Skip: yeah, that's what they brought
up before, they don't want
anybody that's had contact with us to be influenced
by our mental capacities and our prejudices and so
on and so forth.
Omal: that does bring up an
interesting dilemma on our part that we will
probably have to create a non-earth area on the base
for this individual.
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: so it would be difficult to keep
this individual unbiased otherwise.
Skip: that's going to be a tough one
for you guys.
Omal: oh it is something that we have
worked with before. Sequestering
individuals.....this is one that will be definitely
for longer-term that just a few days to a few
months.
Skip: bringing up the subject that
Russ brought up too, is that individual going to
have a backup just in case anything ever happens to
him or her per se?
Omal: more than likely yes.
Skip: uh-huh, but that would be a wise
move too.
Omal: ideally it would be useful to
have backups for each individual but again I am not
involved in that part.
Skip: yeah I understand that. But that
would be a very, very intelligent move, it really
would be.
Omal: I believe it is something that
we, or let me rephrase that, the Sirians are already
looking at.
Skip: got it, got it.
Omal: in the upcoming discussions, you
must remember that this is the early stages prior to
the discussions which will lead up to the
conference.
Skip: trying to put everything
together to try to satisfy everybody and make sure
that nothing happens, I understand where you're
coming from.
Omal: correct, the way it works to
elaborate is that there are three clear stages.
There is the stage where we get all the
representatives together. There is the stage where
they discuss how the conference will go, what the
objectives and the goals of the conference are and
finally the actual conference itself with a start, a
middle and hopefully an end.
Skip: and then some kind of an
agreement....
Omal: correct.
Skip: that would satisfy everybody in
the end.
Omal: from the impressions that I get
is that the Sirians wish to be able to make earth a
no abduction zone where all species watch and
cooperate, trade information, learn from each other,
learn about the species that we're trying to aid in
its spiritual growth, interact with that species in
a way that will only be an exchange of information
or giving of information without any contact which
would be detrimental, perceived detrimental reaction
from other individuals.
Skip: no transfer of prejudices and so
on and so forth.
Omal: that is correct.
Russ: does that go on the webpage?
Omal: probably, probably as that would
be something I will have to run through...
Russ: I think you're tipping your hand
sort of.
Omal: I don't think we are, this is
what we wish and so therefore it is something that
can be negotiated. It is something I will have to
clear with other individuals.
Russ: of course.
Skip: okay, I understand where you're
coming from.
Omal: okay.
Skip: okay. That's going to be a tough
one, that's going to be a tough one.
Omal: I am in a very awkward position.
Skip: yes it is, it's awkward for you
and it's awkward for anybody that's coming in
contact with us.
Omal: uh-huh.
Skip: and it's going to be a very,
very, very difficult decision to make, to pick the
people and talk to the people and get it
setup.......wow.
Omal: well fortunately we will just be
hopefully hosting two individuals from Sirius that
will be kept apart from the other non-Hades
residents which is unfortunate.
Skip: your end is........from your
point of view is going to be just I think is fine.
What I'm looking at is the representatives from
earth is going to be a bugger.
Omal: oh I think it will be a
difficult challenge but one that will bear fruition
later on as a whole.
Skip: it's going to be a real
difficult decision to make.
Omal: oh most certainly, most
certainly and fortunately it is not one that I have
to make.
Skip: well I'm glad I'm not
making it.
Russ: well upon that same note though,
where do we go from this point? We have contact, we
have preparations to make, do we continue on as if
what Skip and Ashtar were talking about? Will
it be in the future but what we were talking about
before is now in the go?
Omal: as far as I know that is correct,
it
is something that I will have to discuss with Ashtar
and the releasing of the information. Okay, any more
questions?
Skip: no, not at this time. Russ?
Russ: uh-uh, I'm good.
Skip: Shane?
Shane: uh-uh.
Skip: okay. Thank you.
Russ:
thank you.
Omal: you're welcome. Live long,
prosper and I'll be back.
(Kiri
does a quick transition)
Skip: hi sweetie.
Kiri: hey okay, let's put on our last
speaker who for some reason.....whoah, is still
awake. What's so funny?
Skip: what?
Russ: Treebeard.
Skip: Treebeard?
(Treebeard makes an
unusual late session appearance)
Treebeard:
greetings. Hello and I see a aura signature I am
unfamiliar being with.
Russ: Treebeard,
this is Shane, Shane this is Treebeard.
Treebeard: it is
being of a pleasure.
Russ: how goes
it? How are you doing Treebeard?
Treebeard: I am
functioning with ease this evening.
Russ: excellent.
Treebeard: it is
something even though I am crying for body of
dormancy, I will answer questions concerning
subject of normal discussions that we are being of
having. To explain, your language of English is
being not of mine. I speak what you would be
calling of Highland Sirian which is mountain area
from my planet. But to continue after explaining
why my skills of being to talk is different, I am
thinking in my language and putting of words into
yours.
Skip: you sound
great.
Treebeard: thank
you.
Russ: uh-huh.
Treebeard: okay,
we of continuing where we being of talking last
time?
Russ: uh-huh.
Treebeard: do you
have questions of concerning devas or of trees?
Russ: uh-huh. The
situation on my place of residence is doing quite
nicely. The deva or devas in this case
are...........I'm working with them as far as
sitting in the sacred spot on occasion and this
morning, upon sitting on my back porch I was just
sitting there kind of feeling the whole backyard
and I have windchimes, big kind of like metal
tubes with wood pieces that when the wind blows it
knocks against them and makes really beautiful
noise. And the question that I have is, listening
upon those, it really kind of sets a peaceful,
meditative state when you hear these wind chimes
go and I'm wondering if perhaps that's also how
trees and devas feel when they kind of hear the
sound is registered to them as being pleasant,
unpleasant, so on and so forth.
Treebeard: you
are thinking of terms in human. You must be
remembering what is perception for trees or of
devas.
Russ: completely
different I'm sure, yeah obviously.
Treebeard: where
have we been of talking about in past on
perception of to put it more palatable for your
mind of time?
Russ: right, the
perception of and the complete difference of
perception between us and trees and devas.
Treebeard: so
therefore only I of speculating but the sound
would be either of long time or of flash of
moment.
Russ: well we've
been there seven years and those sounds have been
there for seven years, it's still a short time,
but it's probably starting to register.
Treebeard: it is
being of possible but I am remembering of trees in
your habitation being but young trees of no more
than maybe of 60 to 70 of years so therefore we
are talking of little trees.
Russ: correct,
they don't have their consciousness yet.
Skip: uh-huh, not
according to what he said last time.
Russ: that's
right, I remember now. 300 years is just the
minimum.
Skip: uh-huh.
Treebeard: that
is being of correct.
Skip: uh-huh.
Treebeard: but
looking at such, it is also thinking that devas
being there for long haul as you would be of
saying.
Russ: hmmm.
Treebeard: okay,
to discuss more on awareness of devas and
interaction, do you be of having question Skip?
Skip: no, uh-uh.
Treebeard: that
is wise. Okay being of last as Omal would say
question, anyone?
Skip: no.
Russ: nothing
right now.
Treebeard: okay,
I am of thanking, see you all later and farewell
all of you.
Skip: thank you.
(Kiri sings us
into the next speaker)
Kiri: (comes in
singing) "Kalamazoo, (and so on...)"
Shane: you watch
too many cartoons.
Kiri: come on,
everybody....."Kalamazoo....(and so on..)"
(Laughter erupts)
Kiri: okay,
nobody's going to play....huh. Okay, we have as I
doing the ring mistress, an opportunity.....how
much time do we have on your.......
Skip: Russ will
have to look.
Russ: yeah, it
looks like half a tape.
Kiri: okay, we
can probably work this. Okay, family moment.
(Tanaka returns to add to our
body of knowledge)
Shane: good
evening.
Tanaka: greetings.
Skip: hi.
Tanaka: hi,
greetings everyone. Okay, I have put my formal
duties aside and how is my son-in-law?
Russ: I'm doing
quite well actually.
Tanaka: thank you.
I am for the moment just plain Tanaka. Okay, is
there any questions that you wish to ask bearing
that I've put my presidential duties aside?
Russ: how's Gonzo
doing (his bond mate)?
Tanaka: Gonzo is
doing good. She is spending time with her
stepdaughters at the moment (Kiri and Karra).
Russ: good.
Tanaka: she stayed
within the residency whilst we were out here being
official.
Russ: of course.
Tanaka: yes, she
unfortunately does not enjoy these official moments.
Russ: no doubt.
How are you enjoying your rejuvenation?
Tanaka: it is very
useful. I believe last time we talked Skip, I had
just come back from rejuvenation.
Russ: uh-huh, this
is his first rejuvenation isn't it Tanaka?
Tanaka: that is
correct.
Russ: it was like
he was 300 years old and then took it down to a
physical age of 18 if I remember right.
Tanaka: I beg your
pardon, it is more in my mid-20's.
Russ: mid-20's,
sorry.
Tanaka: it is
useful to have a young body again, I believe we did
discuss briefly Skip, you do not remember.
Skip: no I'm
sorry, it slips me.
Tanaka: it has
been some time.
Skip: what, couple
of our years ago?
Tanaka: I should
say more along the lines of three.
Russ: uh-huh.
Skip: okay
yeah.......
Russ: I remember.
Skip: for some
reason or another.......
Russ: time does
fly around this place.
Skip: it kind of
slips my memory okay?
Russ: so on
Sirius, are you able to access much in the way of
earth communications?
Tanaka: I cannot
discuss that.
Russ: oh
Skip: okay yeah,
that's understandable.
Tanaka: I am
Tanaka, I am not President Tanaka at the moment.
Skip: alright.
Tanaka: but my
interest is more in the technological....
Russ: ahhh,
excellent.
Tanaka: my private
interests.
Russ: right.
Skip: oh, then you
can tell me how to build a......
Tanaka: build a
what?
Skip: no I'm just
teasing. Nevermind.
Russ: ask Kiri.
Skip: it's a
standing joke okay?
Tanaka: ahh, it is
something to do with a propulsion system, I am not
that kind of technologically interested.
Skip: warp
engines.
Tanaka: I am more
construction materials, composites.......
Skip: I was just
teasing.
Russ: well
actually we have been talking to Treebeard about a
way to stop the killing of the trees as much as to
create a building material that has the same
properties as such without having to use wood as
much.
Tanaka: hmmm.
Skip: oh actually
this is starting to grab a hold, they're still using
wood but they're using it in a more conservative
manner.
Russ: hmm.
Skip: the new
coatings that they're starting to use in
construction now is called chipboard rather than
plywood.
Tanaka: wouldn't
it be easier to use a ceramic fabric material?
Russ: we're not
there yet.
Skip: our
technology isn't advanced that far yet.
Tanaka: it seems
to me that it would be something very easy to use a
ceramic based material that would certainly would
give a material that would be light, heat resistant,
cold tolerant and also....
Russ: flexible.
Tanaka:
of.....well flexible, easy to.....
Skip: fiberglass.
Russ: yeah,
ceramic fiberglass.
Tanaka: no, I am
familiar with the primitive material. This is more
of a natural mixture. It
is heated and compressed together to form sheets
which are easy to......and I have just had my
daughter turn around and go no.
Russ: uh-uh, hit
some technological gray areas there.
Skip: okay I see.
Okay what's happening is you're getting a
little bit ahead of our technology.
Tanaka: yes, I'm
not quite sure what is going on. She is
looking......
Skip: she is
telling you no.
Tanaka: she does
not have that authority.
Skip: no but she's
telling you that you're overstepping which
information you're giving us.
Tanaka: I do not
see how it would be of harm, it would be more
useful?
Russ: well it's
been explained before that we might invent something
that was given to us but at that point we would
be.....it would be because it came from you,
interfering with our technological growth.
Skip: yeah, right.
Tanaka: but how do
you know you weren't supposed to be the individuals
that actually.....
Russ: ahhh,
there's the question.
Skip: well that's
the challenge, that's the challenge.
Russ: they avoid
it by not giving out that information.
Tanaka: hmmm, I
see.
Russ: right.
Skip: I'm
going.....wait a minute.
(everyone laughs)
Russ: anyway,
how's life been?
Tanaka: ummm, I am
getting some strange looks from both my daughters
and looking at the monitor, you gentlemen seem to be
enjoying my.....
Skip: not really,
not really.
Tanaka: my
confusion.
Skip: no, not
really it's just that we do understand that some of
the technical things that you have access to we do
not. We're discussing this between us and
kinda......
Russ: we realized
that the more we discuss it, the more you're going
get in trouble, well not trouble, but.....
Skip: well we're
kind of poking fun too okay?
Tanaka: I am aware
of that.
Skip: okay, not
maliciously, just poking fun.
Tanaka: uh-huh but
for me, I'm having a difficulty that I give you the
information that would be useful as a whole for your
species.......
Skip: maybe too
much.
Tanaka: but it
would definitely not be harmful.....
Skip: no I
understand that.
Tanaka: giving you
that information, I am having difficulty
understanding why the total restriction on giving
the information......
Russ: well, look
at it this way, let's say for example we create
something like this.......
Tanaka: uh-huh.
Russ: and then our
military gets a hold of it, restricts its use to the
rest of the world, uses it strictly in its creation
of weapons of war and destruction.........
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: and never
gets used in a beneficial term except for killing
things or keeping things from being killed.
Tanaka: the
material, it is purely a construction material and
would serve no purpose whatsoever as a projectile,
it would be useless.
Russ: but as
protection against heat as body armor, it would be
invaluable.
Tanaka: that would
be the only use that I could perceive would be as a
heat protection. It definitely wouldn't be useful as
a protection against a energy weapon of any kind.
Russ: we don't
have energy weapons, we have projectile weapons.
Tanaka: even
projectile weapons, it would penetrate very easily.
Russ: oh it would?
Tanaka: so....
Russ: then in that
case I don't see the problem either but.....
Skip: and the only
thing that I can see is creating something from the
information that was given to us through you and not
coming up with it from our own process of
advancement and invention.
Tanaka: but would
it not be more useful to give you......I have not
told you how to create it.
Skip: no I
understand that. No, no, I understand that but it's
still, you've set the thought there.
Tanaka: but it
would be something that would be useful. I find it
difficult that something that has no hostile
capacity that would be beneficial once produced
inexpensive in your fiscal capacity......
Skip: well right
now it wouldn't be inexpensive, in fact it would be
just exactly the opposite. It would be more
expensive than building material.....
Russ: why?
Skip: than we have
access to at the present time.
Russ: oh, I see
what you mean.
Skip: okay?
Russ: so if you're
going into more construction material like a house,
you're cheaper going with trees which are already
grown.
Skip: yeah, we're
talking about sheets, big sheets. At least 4 x 8, 4
x 10, 5 x 10, 4 x 12's. You have to have a way of
manufacturing the sheets and the mills at the
present time do not have that capacity. To make
plywood, you peel a log, dry the wood and then you
crosshatch it with glue and put it in a steam press
and trim the edges. So there's no actual form to
make a 4 x 8 sheet of building material at the
present time other than Styrofoam.
Tanaka: yes but
once the facilities have been manufactured and they
are produced, the price would go from something that
would be expensive to something that would be very
cheap and inexpensive and very recyclable.
Russ: true, if it
was proven to be a far superior material than what
we're using now, then the price would drop because
other people would do the same thing.
Skip: true, true.
Tanaka: I see the
problem would be if you were to keep it to
yourselves and make a huge, considerable
profit......
Skip: uh-huh.
Tanaka: whereas,
instead of I believe the term would be franchising?
Russ: uh-huh.
Skip: uh-huh.
Tanaka: which
means that the price would be reduced even more and
it would be a more usable technology.
Russ: right, hold
on to the patent but release the.....
Skip: yeah, patent
it and franchise it out.
Russ: franchise
the patent out yeah.
Skip: yeah.
Russ: patent being
our way of protecting those inventions that are
created by people down here.
Tanaka: and
ideally it would......you would be rewarded by
fiscal gain correct?
Russ: correct.
Skip: uh-huh.
Tanaka: okay, I am
being signaled to by my.....
(everyone laughs)
Skip: yeah, I'm
sure you are, I'm sure you are. Thank you very much.
Russ: thank you
Tanaka.
Tanaka:
you're welcome.
Skip:
thank you.
(A
stressed Kiri comes on
to finish up the night)
Skip: what was I supposed to do?
Something I was supposed to do.
Russ: well you're supposed to do is
figuring out the cargo and the shipping and the
colony.
Skip: oh yes, yes, yes.
Russ: you don't remember that?
Skip: yes, yes.
Russ: I've been working on it.
Shane: how you doing?
Kiri: I'm doing fine. There
they go, running on about in their own little world.
How's it going?
Shane: it's going pretty good.
Kiri: oh that's good.
Skip: I got a trowel,
Shane? When we go down home, throw the trowel in the
truck.
Shane: the what?
Skip: the trowel.
Shane: on, the little hand
thing?
Russ: the hand....
Skip: okay, hi babe.
Kiri: hey, okay, we're almost towards
the end of the tape.
Skip: yeah, we are.
Kiri: okay......
Russ: that was informative.
Skip: yeah, really.
(everyone laughs)
Kiri: what am I going to do with my
dad?
Russ: nothing, he's doing
fine.
Skip: hey he's doing fine.
Russ: we love him.
Skip: yeah, we really do.
Russ: bring him back.
Skip: nevermind, just leave him alone,
he's doing just great.
Kiri: I turn my back to talk to my
sister and to my stepmother and what does he do? He
breaks every rule we've taught....
Russ: why should there be a rule about
it though? As he says, it's just helping our planet.
Kiri: it's not us, we just obey the
policies that are laid down for us to work with.
Russ: well now we have to sit there
and we have to figure how to do this thing.
Skip: just give me time, just give me
time.
Russ: Kiri, you want to help?
Kiri: no.
Skip: no? What's the matter darling?
Russ: yeah, you'd be a great source of
information.
Kiri: you want me to get sent home?
Skip: no.
Russ: no, of course not dear.
Skip: no, no.
Kiri: it's all right for him.
Russ: he's getting sent home.
Skip: but just give me time.
Kiri: if he can do it why can't I?
Russ: because you don't want to be
sent home. He does, he's the President of Sirius,
they have to send him home.
(everyone laughs
again)
Skip: honey, have you ever heard the
expression rank has its privileges?
Russ: yeah. Even though Ashtar can't
do the same.....
Kiri: what has its privileges?
Skip: rank has its privileges. In
other words, the higher you are in an organization,
the better your privileges are.
Kiri: I know, I'm teasing about rank.
Skip: okay, all right darling. Anyhow,
leave your pop alone, he's doing just fine.
Kiri: making my life difficult as a
ring mistress. I've got to answer for....
Skip: no you do not.
Russ: yeah, just remember that Star
Trek episode.
Skip: no, no, no, no.
Rank has its privileges and you're the ring mistress
okay?
Kiri: okay, what Star Trek?
Russ: the one "Star Trek Four", the
one where they go back to earth in the 1980's......
Skip: oh yeah, yeah.
Russ: Scotty goes into to go trade for
the walls to make the thing for the whales.
Skip: yeah right, right.
Russ: he says, "well how do we know
that this guy didn't create it?"
Shane: that's right.
Russ: he gives them the.....
Skip: he gives them the dimensions of
what he wants and how thick the glass has
got to be.
Russ: yeah, what was it? It was a plexiglass
but was a....
Skip: it was a metal plexiglass.
Russ: right, right, right.
Kiri: that's easy.
Skip: yes it is for you but it isn't
for us.
Russ: yeah we don't have it down
here and they say, well gives him the
things and.........
Skip: gives him the formula...
Russ: "you can't give him that." "How
do you know he didn't
create it?"
Skip: yeah, he gives him the formula
for the metal plexiglass so he can put the what is
it, 5 ton whale in there to take to the future?
Russ: right.
Kiri: ahhh.
Skip: and he says,
"how do we know he didn't invent it?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: well he would, because it would
be in the records.
Skip: well it was after Scotty gave
him the.....
Russ: well yeah but it would be in
the...
Skip: no buts.
Russ: no, it doesn't work that way.
Skip: no buts.
Russ: because in the 23rd century,
they can look back....they know who created the
metal plexiglass.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: so if Scotty's giving it to this
guy, he would know if this guy is the guy that
invented the metal plexiglass.
Skip: no, it be in the history book.
Kiri: yeah, that's what I'm about to
say.
Russ: right, that's what I'm saying.
It would be in the history book
in the 23rd century which Scotty would know.
Skip: well Scotty did know.
Russ: well no he didn't. He says, "how
do we know that this guy didn't create it?"
Kiri: now if my memory serves me
right, in that series.
Skip: in other words, it's a catch 21.
Kiri: there was a world war after the
20th century?
Russ: correct.
Kiri: so it's possible that the
records were destroyed in this.....
Russ: now that's possible.
Skip: now there you go, now there you
go. Okay, see? Now she's starting to think instead
of getting all flustered.
Kiri: how do you expect me to be? My
father tells you how to make a cheap, inexpensive
construction material that can be easily
mass-produced, used in a way that would be easy to
recycle, easy to build with, the perfect material
and he gives it to you.
Russ: well he didn't tell us how to
make it.
Kiri: I can't discuss it, I don't talk
about it.
(everybody laughs)
Skip: okay baby, we'll quit.
Kiri: okay, so how goes
the project?
Russ: oh, I'm doing quite well on it
actually. I have my place picked out......
Skip: the one to colonate the earth?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: I've shined it on for a little
bit.
Kiri: okay.
Skip: no, no, no, no.
Kiri: okay.
Skip: I got involved with a lady.
Kiri: you've got six weeks left.
Skip: I know. I've gotten involved
with a lady and........
Kiri: oh I understand, I understand.
Actually, I'm thinking that it would help somebody
tremendously with reasoning, logic, planning,
strategy, somebody to help you Skip.
Skip: what did you say?
Shane: I thought she was talking about
me.
Skip: hey yeah.
Russ: she is talking about you.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Shane: see how it is?
Kiri: you can help Skip.
Russ: well you better
explain the whole rules to him then.
Kiri: okay, this is the rule and
you're going to be Skip's assistant if that suits
you.
Russ: hey wait a minute, I don't
get....oh I get Karra, nevermind.
Kiri: if that suitable for you young
man. Okay, this is what's going on. Skip is leading
a colonization force that will colonize your planet.
There is nobody on your planet so there is no
concern about hostilities with a war, it is a
totally empty planet but, it is in its
current 20th-century condition with the
exhausted minerals, with the trees that are gone,
with the pollution, with the current arctic
conditions, the unstable weather, the hole in the
ozone, all those current problems exist. The
objective is to find a location that would be the
best location for 10,000 individuals to land and
start a colony. Also what you've got to do is plan
the trip, which is a five year trip with the
manifest of all the supplies that you would have on
board your ship to make this colony work. You cannot
dismantle the ship because the ship is as it were
your lifeboat if anything goes wrong so what you
have to do is bring the supplies and materials with
you so that you colonize an area that has to meet
the criteria of the ideal place. Now the ideal place
involves ideal agriculture, ideal mineral
supplies, ideal weather, ideal temperature weather
wise. The right amount of rain, the right amount of
sun, the right amount of cold and everything that
you can think of relevant to that.
Have I covered everything?
Skip: yeah I think you covered just
about everything.
Shane: the weather all depends on
where you live because like in the jungle, it's
going be wet a lot.
Skip: no, no, no,
no. You have to
choose.....
Kiri: a location.
Skip: the location of where you're
going to set up this 10,000 person colony. Whether
it be in the jungle, in the mountains, in the South,
in the North, on the North Pole, the South Pole or
wherever you're going to do it.
Kiri: uh-huh, whether it's in the
Americas, whether it's in Australia, Europe, Asia,
Antarctica, wherever.
Skip: in the current condition of the
earth today. Now, one question, minus the cities?
Kiri: minus the cities.
Skip: okay, I think I asked that
before.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: I just wanted make sure. Minus
the cities. So another words, we got a complete
wilderness......
Kiri: correct.
Skip: on the whole earth.
Kiri: uh-huh. And if it's acceptable with
Shane, would you be up to helping your grandfather
with this project? It would be something that would
be good for learning. All sorts of things,
logistics, planning, strategy, all sorts of things.
You've got your whole entire planet to choose this
one location.
Skip: and we gotta feed 10,000 people
for five years plus bring enough
equipment and supplies to form a 10,000 person
colony.
Shane: okay.
Skip: you want to try it? It's a
project.
Kiri: okay, got any questions except
for the obvious ones about warp cores?
Skip: (laughs) hon I got to tease you
about it every once in a while.
Russ: I got one.
Skip: what's that? Go ahead Russ.
Russ: can these panels be
stacked and then cut after they've been put together
to make a.....
(everybody laughs)
Skip: oh darling, we're just teasing,
we're just teasing, you know we are.
Kiri: I know. I'm glad that he
has.....
Skip: you know something? These
sessions are getting more and more fun all the time.
Russ: yes they are.
Kiri: it's supposed to get as the
level of conversation and interaction increases with
the higher spiritual awareness and the projects, the
mental projects that we give and the projects that
Treebeard gives, they're more interactive. We've
gone from the laying out the groundwork of how the
thought processes....
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