Archivist Notes: The theme of the
channeling session for January seems to be
appropriately a series of firsts. It is the first
time Skip and Laura get to meet Alana and Skip
learns this is his first time on planet Earth in an
incarnation. Tia is our ring mistress for the
evening and begins things by blowing our minds right
away. It's a simple enough question, what powers a
crystal, but the answer contains far more knowledge
and truth then we were expecting. We learn that a
crystal is a life form. Like any life form, it
absorbs one form of energy or food in this case, and
expels a different sort that is very beneficial. We
learn they are aware and different crystals eat
different kinds of energies such as cosmic crystals
eating cosmic energy and give off another kind of
energy. We also get a lesson in how to clean a
crystal and clear it of all data it's collected. We
end with her helping to pursue a theory on shrinking
down in astral form to enter the body in order to
heal it. We move on from Tia to Karra's daughter,
Alana. What we learn from her is that some people
may incarnate into dolphin form for a couple of
reasons. They may have a lesson that could only be
learned as a dolphin or, as she says, they may be
evolved with a higher IQ but do not treat animals
with respect. They may come back to a planet where
dolphins are hunted to repeat that lesson until it
is learned. We find out dolphins are as smart as
humans and even surpass us as being able to speak
telepathically to one another. Several factors keep
them from advancing beyond their current state such
as a lack of hands. As we get to the end of her time
speaking, she takes a moment to break into a little
dolphin language which she apologizes for
butchering. It actually sounds pretty close to
perfect from what little we hear. The last speaker
on side one is Kiri who immediately looks to answer
Skip's question about whether they had shared past
lives. The answer catches us by surprise as we learn
about Kiri's last life as well. She reveals it is
Skip's first life on this planet and before that he
was lending his engineering skills aboard a ship out
of Alpha Centauri. Kiri was an engineer on a Sirian
freighter. The question was apparently expected as
we learn there had been a conference about revealing
this information to Skip by Kiri, Omal, and Korton
earlier that week. Another revelation we discover is
some of the technology that is used on the base.
Tia's daughter, Minerva, had the psychic ability to
be able to change into cat form at will. They were
having trouble locating her so they had the computer
track her down. We find that they have consuls
connected to the central computer core that operates
holographically. It's definitely next level. Near
the end of the side we find out a little from the
point of view of an expert about accessing past
lives to get answers in a current one. We finish out
the first half with her explaining why our guest may
have an alien observing her daily life. We have to
wait until side two to get a more fuller answer.
With the tape being turned over, Kiri finishes up
her thoughts on behavioral science by using a cat as
an example. We learn cats like to be contented and
have a wild ancestry that is still a part of their
habits. She can't elaborate much further without
jeopardizing information she's not allowed to go
more into with us. She is able to help with a
problem I had run into as far as my flight training
with the pilots on the base. I was assisting her son
in a search and rescue craft at the time and
learning its controls in case of emergencies. It was
just a question of getting help adjusting to
controls of a different technology that wasn't even
close to an automobile. More video game than
steering wheel. With improvements planned, she made
way for Omal to take over speaking duties. He
immediately has a joke for us before providing some
very deep knowledge on space and time. The question
is on people who refuse to accept space and time and
instead find themselves in a incarnation loop. They
do not learn and do not progress. He gives us a
couple examples such as the Marquis de Sade and John
Wilkes Booth who would later reincarnate as Lee
Harvey Oswald to kill yet another president. It's at
that point we explore soul groups and how various
souls travel together. One group he highlights is
the one containing Eisenhower, Patton, Napoleon, and
Alexander the great. All, we find out, are currently
awaiting rebirth. That leads to a discussion on
seats of power. Those seats are civilizations that
came and went or are still around. From Atlantis to
America, the power would move around from
civilization to civilization until they destroyed
themselves or were destroyed by a superior force.
One example he gives is the Incas who had dealings
with extraterrestrials but then were later conquered
when legends misled them to believe the invaders
were the returning gods. He explains how families
are treated is a way to determine how a civilization
is doing prior to making room for the next speaker.
That next speaker is Karra who has advice on how to
help Skip in improving his healing ability and then
about helping Mark and I understand better the
design of the pyramid we were building that would
surround the futon Mark was laying on. One
innovation we were using was copper wiring linking
the bottom sections together to form a grid under
the pyramid that ran on top of an iron plate. We
learned this would amplify the energy to a lower
level of the pyramid so the futon was fully
enveloped in the energy field. The purpose was to
enhance the energy levels in both the physical and
subtle bodies of energy throughout the human body.
We wrap up with plans for an upcoming visit by
Carrie where a healing tape was to be created
beforehand. Tia comes on to get us to the end of the
tape and helps work out theories on a stella found
in Mayan excavations where she says they were
probably used to denote territory. It's then we
expand that thinking to the Nazca lines in Peru and
how they could possibly have guided astral travelers
back from their voyage. A very enlightening
In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra
||MARK CROCKER (Channel)
||RUSS HATFIELD (Archivist)
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(Tia gets the night's channeling
session off to a start)
(Tia says hello in Durondedunn)
Skip: how are you tonight?
Tia: well, I'm fine. Don't know about the body down
there, can't find a pulse. Mind you, even if I
could, I wouldn't be able to feel it.
Laura: it's kicking.
Tia: it's kicking?
Tia: oh, okay.
Laura: see, we knew you were here.
Tia: ahhh, I've got to stop doing that, big
Laura: the nose was twitching and the feet were
moving. Just like a rabbit.
Tia: all the better to smell you with.
Laura: ohhh, that might be good.
Russ: ready for some interesting questions this
Russ: good, we've got a ton of them.
Russ: well, one anyway.
Tia: does one constitute a ton?
Russ: it depends how heavy it is.
Tia: what is a ton?
Russ: 2000 pounds.
Tia: isn't that a currency?
Russ: well, that be about $3500.
Tia: oh, okay.
Russ: you understand about money?
Tia: yeah, I understand dollars. They're the things
that keep on getting smaller and smaller as you get
bigger and bigger government.
Tia: see, I was listening.
Laura: you were listening, yes.
Russ: actually, go ahead dear.
Laura: go ahead and start. Oh damn.
(Russ and Laura start laughing)
Russ: it was worth a shot anyway.
Laura: that's true, huh?
Tia: you ever got that music you piped in up here?
Tia: nice and relaxing. Ohh, that's nice.
Laura: well I asked him to do that out front.
Tia: he'd forgotten to do something for you?
Laura: of course.
Tia: what did you use, one of those round........
Laura: I threatened him with murder.
Tia: ohhh, I thought you might have used one of
those round things that they hit the circular balls
with. Like yea long?
Laura: oh, no. Just threats.
Tia: oh, okay.
Laura: how are you doing Tia?
Tia: there's somebody at the door.
Russ: it's either that or the cats got very loud.
Tia: you want to shut the door?
Tia: uh-huh. No, not me. You've got to remember, my
planet is oohhhh, way out there.
Tia: uh-huh. Any more questions?
Laura: I'm curious, I've always been baffled, but
what gives a crystal its power?
Tia: ummm, I could ask if you want and find out.
Tia: curious of Kiriess?
Laura: same thing.
Tia: oh, Kiriess is sitting over there.
Tia: well that killed all the questions, didn't it?
Laura: we don't have the answer to that one yet.
Tia: oh, you want me to find out? You didn't say
Tia: oh, hold on. Okay, what gives a crystal its
energy is its own life form. You talk about life
forms being flesh and blood and made out of living
tissue like trees, birds, plants and so on, that's
as you know it. This is a life form that you don't
know. This is more aware. It's about as aware as a
tree is of its surroundings. So that's why when you
take a crystal with you it learns new things.
Laura: it jumps down to your energy?
Tia: uh-huh, it scoops up energy from around you and
from around itself. It needs the energy to power
itself. It's like you eat steaks and those root
tuber thingies and what does Mark call it? Rabbit
Laura: yes, vegetables.
Tia: uh-huh, vegetables. Yeah, that's all right for
you. Well this eats energy and what it gives off is
a different type of energy which is a byproduct.
Russ: so you just pull all the energy from the
Tia: uh-huh, mostly. But you're asking the wrong
person, I'm just a humble astral traveler.
Laura: who deals with that?
Tia: you'd have to talk to Karra.
Tia: yeah, just think of car rah. Rah rah rah.
Laura: so what is a cosmic crystal? Is it the same?
Tia: yeah, apart from it eats cosmic energies. You
know your planet is being constantly bombarded by
cosmic radiation and little tiny particles that pass
through things. Well some crystals devour them. Can
change the radiation into a useful substance it
feeds on. Just like some people eat only fish and
other people eat only particular types of meat, then
there's people that eat across the spectrum.
Crystals are like that. Some that eat natural
energy, earth energy, and energy from living
entities and then there are other crystals that eat
energy that are only from cosmic sources and then
there's the ones that eat across the board. They
each have individual functions.
Laura: if I put a crystal in Mark's hand, could you
tell me what function it is?
Tia: yeah, do you want me to?
Tia: okay, because I know some people....
Laura: it's all right.
Tia: ahh................it's power crystal.
Laura: is it?
Tia: it's got energy. It's a good power source too.
Did you have mint in your hand recently?
Laura: bottom of my purse.
Tia: have you had mint in your purse?
Laura: oh yeah.
Tia: who's purse?
Laura: mine. I carry mint in it.
Tia: no, I want to know who is purse.
Laura: it's my purse, Laura's purse. It's a bag that
I carry my stuff in.
Tia: ohhh, sorry, I thought it was a name.
Laura: oh no.
Tia: oh, okay, I understand.
Laura: do you know what a rose crystal is?
Laura: what is it?
Tia: it is a crystal that has a slight reddy tinge
Laura: what is its uses?
Tia: umm, I could ask again if you want but Karra
might frown at me.
Tia: I'm asking too many questions. I'm meant to be
answering questions instead of asking questions.
Laura: but could you answer my question?
Tia: uh-huh. Okay, I'll ask her. Okay, the function
of a rose crystal is it amplifies light energy. Now
it depends on its current state. I believe there's a
big crystal over there sitting in a bowl. Now if a
rose crystal is damaged like that one is, that's not
a rose crystal....
Tia: it becomes a healing crystal but with different
usages. If it's a long, pointed one like I believe
there's another....oh, that's better.... there's
normally a big, tall.........yeah, that one. Now if
it's shaped like that one, right? It's an energy
crystal. Now if it appears to have a phantom in it,
it is a storage crystal for information. If it is
very long and thin, it's a different type of power
crystal. It's more like a wand, directing energy.
Then you have different types of healing ones. But
it's all do with the energy because of the way that
it grew and the power in them. They're much more
specialized and much more interactive with the aura.
If you clean it by putting it in a..........sodium,
sodium chloride. No, not sodium chloride........oh,
common name salt.
Tia: yeah. Now rock salt, that's the stuff. It pulls
out all the negative energy and cleans it of all the
information relevant. For example, if you were to
put this one, which is a specialized one for astral
travel, you would put it into rock salt and then put
it out in a full moon and bring it in when the full
moon sets and then put it out when the sun rises and
then bring it in when the sun sets, you'd wipe all
the information out of it. It would be useless as an
astral travel crystal. Well not useless, it would
lose all the information it's picked up. There are
other ways of wiping the crystal of information.
Another way is meta-concert which is a group of
minds working together like an orchestra and having
one person directing of the energy.
Laura: what would that get?
Tia: it depends what you want to do. If you have
let's say a manifestor that is acting as the
conductor.........no, the executive in charge of the
orchestra and directing the energy, let's say you
needed to light a fire, right? And you have 20
people but no matches and no way of starting the
fire. You have the fuel but no fire. If you all work
together supplying energy and thinking the exact
same thing at the exact same time at the exact same
speed and focusing all the energy on one person and
then that one person directs the energy to what use
that they want.
Laura: hmm. The amethyst is what?
Tia: amethyst is a colored crystal of
a........amethyst, amethyst, amethyst........you
have an amethyst? There, there's some.
Laura: is it purple?
Tia: yeah. What's the function of amethyst?
Tia: thank you.
Russ: healing of things and.....
Russ: we've used it as a protector before.
Tia: well you can use any crystal as a protector.
Russ: that's why we've got that one there in the
corner there for. The cluster for cleansing.
Tia: okay, any more questions?
Russ: is this Tia still?
(Tia says hi in Duronddunn)
Russ: oh, it's Tia. Back in 1975, people were using
astral projection to release emotional and physical
blocks in their bodies.......
Russ: okay? And how they would do so is they would
imagine themselves becoming small and tiny......
Russ: and entering into their own body to the source
of the block and at that point they were able to
imagine ways to get into the wall that was being
formed by the block. And then oftentimes that would
help with breaking the person away from their
physical body and astral project then.
Russ: okay. So, can we apply that same process
today? Does that work, have you tried it, and should
I give it a shot?
Tia: no, I haven't tried it. I'm lacking information
on it and yes, I will give it a try.
Russ: thank you.
Tia: am I going from big to incy wincy teeny me?
Russ: well because you won't fit otherwise. With a
blocked chakra, imagine a major chakra at the size
you're at? Chakra's nice and small.
Tia: I know where my chakras are.
Russ: are they blocked?
Russ: you're sure?
Tia: I think so.
Russ: but if one was blocked, how would you unblock
Tia: I'd relax, focus energy on it.
Russ: there you go. Sometimes we're not able to do
such a thing. On your dimension it's a lot easier.
It's too dense down here in our physical.
Tia: I'd say.
Russ: okay, great.
Tia: sorry, I'm being facetious.
Russ: no problem. So, getting small enables you to
not only focus energy.......
Russ: but, be able to locate that.
Tia: I'm going to throw a barbecue out here. Bring
your own dogs please.
Laura: how about hamburgers?
Tia: oh well, any more questions before I hand over
to the next one? Oh well. I'll be back, I'm in
charge of ceremony. Nobody's going to say see you
Russ: we're going to see you in a little while.
Laura: see you later.
Tia: thank you.
(Alana is the guest speaker for
Alana: hmm, different people.
Riss: hi Alana.
Russ: how's it going darling? Glad you got my
Alana: thank you.
Russ: I should say, I'm glad you answered my
Russ: very nice of you. How are you doing my dear?
I'd like to introduce a couple people to you.
Laura: now who is this?
Russ: this is Alana. This is Karra's daughter......
Russ: and my bond mate and mother of my child.
Alana, this is Laura and that is Skip over here on
the other side.
Alana: greetings and felicitations.
Skip: good evening.
Alana: good evening and greeting and felicitations.
I am honored to be here. Did I do well?
Russ: you did very well.
Alana: oh, thank you.
Russ: much better than the first time. You're
getting very good at this stuff. We don't get to see
enough of Alana.
Alana: well I'm busy.
Russ: you are busy, I know. I can understand that.
Russ: but had fun today with you.
Alana: uh-huh. Had to rush from the dolphin area.
Russ: well I wasn't even expecting to see you there
today so it was great to be able to share some time
and energy with you.
Alana: I'm working with a young dolphin.
Russ: oh, is that going to be one from Maisie?
Alana: yeah, Neesa.
Alana: no, no, no. You see, Knot.
Russ: oh, Neesa. I'll work on it.
Laura: you might not stick with thinking in dolphin,
Russ: well I'm not quite as fluent in dolphin as
some people are.
Alana: I can't help it, I'm part dolphin as you've
noticed. Actually, my feet are starting to get a
Russ: oh, how's Miranda's little feet? Even more so
with her feet?
Alana: can't keep her out of the water.
Russ: how does she like that little, new dolphin?
Alana: they play.
Russ: they do?
Alana: okay, now you've got questions for me?
Russ: yes I do. First off, I'd like to ask a little
bit about.........when I talked to Omal last
Tuesday, we discussed the fact that oftentimes
people will perfect and outgrow the physical form
and will at that point, are a certain, particular
physical form and at that point will move on and go
to a higher form or dimension.
Alana: or to a different location for education
Russ: right. Now my question is, are dolphins the
form that is prior to the human form?
Alana: hmmm, yes and no.
Russ: okay good, we got a long answer this time.
Alana: uh-huh. Yes for those that are in an
intermediate period in between relocating. And they
will have a lesson to learn that they need a one off
Alana: somebody that may be evolved and of high
intelligence and yet enjoys persecuting animals for
their own fun. Not for food or for clothing but just
for pure fun. They will become a dolphin on a planet
where they are persecuted and hunted.
Alana: and if they don't learn the lesson, then they
have to repeat it.
Russ: I can think of a few duck hunters that that
would be a fitting end.
Alana: uh-huh. Now the no part is that people on
your planet do not give dolphins enough credit for
Alana: dolphins are just as smart as humans and they
go through the same process as you do but in dolphin
Russ: well it's said that humans are the otters of
the universe. In other words, the otters are real
playful little mammalian marsupials that......
Alana: they're not marsupials. They don't have a
Alana: an otter is an aquatic mammal that lives on
both land and water but yes it is playful. It is
more akin to the feline.
Russ: okay. So if that, being as we now understand
otters and if humans were to be called the otters of
the universe, what would dolphins be?
Russ: oh, well they love to have fun and play....
Russ: and yet they're very intelligent.
Russ: and so what evolutionary path are they on?
Alana: they're on a different one from you. They are
on a parallel one.
Russ: okay. It seems to be almost a higher path
except for a few exceptions.
Alana: well, they can never evolve into a
spacefaring species without the help of somebody
that has the ability to transport them.
Alana: because A, they lack fingers and hands.
Alana: B, they lack the knowledge on how to make
fire and C, because of the lack of hands. They lack
the knowledge on how to construct things.
Alana: but, they have a higher intelligence because
A, they transmit telepathically with each other. B,
they can astral travel as a matter of course. C,
they understand how to live in harmony.
Russ: now Karra, when you next speak with her, will
be able to hopefully tell you about a book I read
which she picked up in my mind numerous times when I
read it called "Star Tide Rising".
Russ: and it's a book about in the future where
humans and dolphins work together as a spacefaring
race. And of course at that time there is many more
races in the stars that we are either against or
with. But in this book, the dolphins use these
little mechanical waldoes that are attached around
their head and they're like arms to reach out to
Russ: and they're genetically enhanced dolphins.....
Russ: and they've been upgraded let's say.
Russ: yeah. But they work as a spacefaring race with
Russ: it's quite a good book.
Alana: okay, I'll get a copy.
Russ: oh sure, she'll know exactly what I'm talking
Russ: and the other part is on dolphin dreaming.
Russ: okay, two parts on this. The one that they
dream and the one that we can dream.
Russ: okay, on the one that they dream, is that a
point where they are able to bypass space and time?
Alana: no. They lack the ability to manipulate space
and time as you have lacking the ability to
manipulate space and time.
Alana: it takes a lot of energy to do so.
Russ: but with their astral traveling, you said they
couldn't travel very far.
Russ: okay. In your research, is that one of the
things you're working on, helping them to reach
Alana: they have an ability to travel I should say
about a hundred of your miles.
Alana: and no matter how hard we try, we cannot
increase their ability because of the medium that
they live in and the fact that it doesn't serve any
serious function for them. How they communicate over
great distances is by telepathy.
Russ: hmm. Well how is your work going with
interspecies communication parameters?
Alana: still working. I've been pursuing other
Russ: okay. Well on to the second part of my
Russ: and that is concerning dolphin dreams in human
Russ: and being able to use a meditation technique
to transform myself into a dolphin temporarily.
Alana: or to dream that we are a dolphin.
Russ: and is it possible to do this with any success
Alana: no not really, or not that I've heard.
Russ: okay. Are there any advantages of being able
Alana: I haven't really thought along those lines.
Russ: that's strange, you're half dolphin
practically now anyway.
(Russ starts laughing)
Russ: we have a lot of fun.
(Alana says something in dolphin)
Alana: I'm glad you can't understand what I just
said. Me trying to speak dolphin which I did
Russ: well good, now you have something to think
(Alana says something quick in dolphin)
Russ: dolphin questions guys, or any questions?
Alana: oh well, I've got to get back to my studies
Russ: thank you Alana, I appreciate your coming.
Alana: thank you, you too.
(Tia is back to get us to the next speaker)
Russ: hi Tia.
(Tia says hi inDurondedunn)
Tia: hmm? Okay, I'm going to put on the ......I know
who I'm going to put on next.
takes her niece's place and gets us to the side's
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: yo dude. Hey!!!!.
Laura: hey, how are you?
Kiri: hey!!!!!!! Okay, I believe you've got a
question for me Skip.
Skip: have you known me before?
Skip: from where?
Kiri: ummm, both of us were on third dimension, this
is not the first time I have been an engineer. My
previous life, I was an engineer on a Sirian
freighter and you were an engineer on a........now
which ship was it? I think it was a Centaurian
ship........Alpha Centauri.........no........ yes it
was but you weren't a Centaurian if my memory serves
me right. But as an engineer, lending your
engineering skills to the Centaurians. Yes, I can
answer that because we did discuss it in detail with
Omal and Korton about a week ago in conference.
Kiri: uh-huh. So, to answer your question is, yes,
you are a new spirit to this planet. That is why you
haven't picked up any spiritualism at this point
yet. It's a matter of patience and time and to keep
practicing your engineering skills. You'll find that
engineering will seem like it could do with a lot of
refinements. Take video cameras for example, as
relayed to me by Tia.
Skip: well, the reason that I ask is because my
Skip: mechanical abilities......
Skip: as far as just kind of curious.
Kiri: yeah. And then there was that statement that
was made about you being a new spirit. Yes, you are
to this planet. You learned all that you could learn
working on starships and so on and now you need to,
instead of having a narrow focus on engineering
only, you need to expand your all-round experiences.
Skip: it's true.
Kiri: okay, glad I could be of service.
Russ: you haven't had a little discussion or
conference with Omal about your lives with me and
Mark have you?
Kiri: why, what do you want to know?
Russ: well, about Maxxus and Naxxus and.....
(Past lives of Mark and myself where we were
brothers in Atlantis)
Kiri: sorry, can't discuss that. That is, as you
might say, verboten?
Russ: just wondering.
Kiri: you know what happens when you discuss Maxxus
and Naxxus, things materialize and explode and your
brain gets almost fried?
Kiri: what would you like it with? Mushrooms and
shrimps this time? And maybe that long, thin, short,
green tuber thingy?
Russ: we can't discuss it.
(The gang laugh)
Kiri: later. After hours please. Okay......uh-huh?
Russ: go ahead.
Laura: no, I'm thinking.
Kiri: feline, feline. Which one is that? That's.....
Kiri: ahh. Joey.
Russ: so what did I hear about Alex today?
Kiri: oh, his great escape thing?
Russ: oh yeah, that's it.
Kiri: uh-huh, what you want to know about it? That
was yesterday that happened.
Russ: that was yesterday.
Kiri: uh-huh. Oh, they took the children from the
crèche for a what you would call a field trip into a
recreational wooded land that we have up here?
Kiri: and three of the children broke and did a
runner. One was Tia's daughter Minerva that turns
into felines from time to time. They're just little
toddlers. And then there was Alex that did a runner
and they all went off in different directions and
played around in the rocks and got everybody really
concerned that they'd run off and hidden so they
used a computer to locate them.
Laura: what did they do?
Kiri: they just asked the computer to locate a life
form of a particular height, dimension's
of.....yeah, two arms, legs, whatever, and for
Skip: that sounds awfully familiar. That's the same
kind of detector......
Skip: that we have.......
Kiri: on your entertainment.
Skip: yes, right.
Skip: science-fiction series in fact.
Kiri: well there's a lot of parallel.....
Kiri: yeah. Well we don't have transporters. I do
like watching that entertainment.
Skip: they have the......okay, tricorders the thing
I was trying to think of.
Skip: it is a mechanism to locate lifeforms.
Kiri: uh-huh. Oh, this is a computer that is located
in the central computer core that it has the ability
to scan things.
Skip: oh, okay.
Kiri: uh-huh. You have to have a little console that
you plug into a particular point and then it
interacts with the main computer and you can
Skip: oh, all right. You've got the power to draw
on, you have to have a battery pack in your head.
Kiri: that's right.
Laura: does it draw on body heat?
Kiri: yeah, body heat, body energy, sunlight....
Kiri: uh-huh. It's kind of like a non-harmful radar.
But what it does is, that it will scan something and
then maps it into the main computer in slices and
then it reassembles it in the holographic drive. Not
a holographic image but it's a holographic thought
process for the computer. And it reassembles it and
gets it to match with known set specifications.
Russ: well why can't you just say, "find Minerva?"
Kiri: well that's what we do.
Kiri: and the computer goes through its mind or
through its records and comes up with all the names
and will cross reference it and you may have three
or four Minerva's. Actually, there's three on the
Russ: well how come it had so much trouble picking
her out from the other cats? It would seem it could
at least figure out a child who is pretending to be
a cat and is very much like a cat among real cats.
Kiri: well you see when it scans, is that it can't
distinguish between one person and another unless
that person speaks and then it reads the voice.
Russ: isn't that where you come in?
Kiri: I may be smart but I ain't that smart.
(Everybody breaks out in laughter)
Kiri: who do you think I am, huh?
Russ: I see the ideas, you come up with the way to
Kiri: do you know how long that would take me to
Russ: you have nothing better to do.
Skip: it gives you a bit of a challenge.
Kiri: yeah, about 500 years.
Skip: just a bit.
Kiri: oh okay, so I give up half my life to
redesigning a computer. That doesn't......
Skip: well why not......
Kiri: no, no, I was going to be very self-indulgent.
Russ: I'll help.
Skip: I've got one other question for you, please.
Kiri: yeah? Okay.
Skip: will I ever be able to draw on my past lives
to enhance the work I'm doing now?
Kiri: not this one.
Kiri: because you have to learn your surroundings
before you can interact and draw on the memories
from the past.
Skip: oh, okay.
Kiri: but it won't be, in your next life you'll go,
"oh, I know what to do and how to fix that". It will
be you'll do something that will make you look at it
a different way and you will think in a different
way that will seem alien in your next life. Which
will actually be your mind cross-referencing with
its record that it carries of your previous lives
and say, "okay, now if you do it this way like we
did it in life A22...."
Kiri: "we can improve it this way which will mean
that it will be better than the original".
Laura: is this thing sort of like, "no, I know I've
never done this before so I was".........
Kiri: and it seems so easy?
Laura: first time that I knew how to do it?
Kiri: uh-huh. It's your spirit accessing memories
that it doesn't tell you about.
Russ: so I couldn't do a past life regression on
Skip very easy then?
Kiri: no, because there is a natural block that
first of all, you need to learn about......
Laura: so in other words, Russell could do a past
life regression on me and get quite a bit?
Kiri: yes. But because this is Skip's first life on
this planet, he has to get himself accustomed. It's
Skip: just like putting on a new pair of shoes?
Kiri: yeah, uh-huh.
Skip: okay, you got a break them in.
Kiri: that's right. And if you try to access it,
you'll get total, disjointed present, what's
occurring now, what occurred in the past in this
life and possibilities interrupted with desires.
Skip: hmmm, okay.
Kiri: so you get a mishmash of things. Things that
you've seen on television or things that you've seen
at the big.........
Skip: big screen.
Kiri: yeah, big-screen, yeah. Uh-huh, yeah. Or at
other forms of entertainment.
Laura: I have an alien who observes me.
Laura: who is it, do you know?
Kiri: hmm, not too sure at the moment, you'd have to
ask one of the heavies.
Laura: I was just really curious.
Laura: I'm just curious as to why.
Kiri: umm, the same way that we have.........sorry,
can't say that. Put my foot right in it if I went
Laura: I was curious as to why I've been observed.
Kiri: it's possible that it's curious in you. By
learning from one person, it can understand a little
bit about a particular species. For example, where
is it? Ahh, come here, come here, come here. Okay,
if you scratch her behind the ears she starts to
purr. Now why is it that all cats purr?
Kiri: uh-huh. So you learn that if you scratch a cat
behind the ears, it purrs because because it's
(Kiri resumes from she left
off on side one)
Kiri: ........the way it behaves, you can learn
about one cat, you also learn something about
every other cat. For example, why does a cat walk
around in circles before it lies down?
Skip: that's a hangover from being wild to.......
Skip: it's standing in the tall grass......
Kiri: exactly. So now you know two things about a
cat. One is, that they like to made contented and
two, that they go around in circles to press the
grass down because they were once a wild animal.
Some of them still are wild, aren't they?
Skip: yes they are.
Laura: I would think they would be more interested
in a person who was more intellectual, more
Kiri: again, I can't give you an answer because I
would put myself into trouble.
Laura: we tried...
Russ: they tried but they can't get it past
Kiri: hey piglet, Pegasus?
Russ: not Pegasus.....
Kiri: hey, Pegasus is......
Russ: looks like Joey.
Kiri: a little. Pegasus is a cat that lives in the
apartment. It was given to Minerva as a pet but I
don't know who's the pet actually anymore. Okay,
Russ: on the engineering standpoint, I'm going to
be going and doing the flight training
(In a ship on the base for search and rescue)
Russ: but is there a way that.......I have little
trouble with the controls.
Kiri: we're working on them.
Russ: thank you.
Kiri: I've assigned it to be worked on by somebody
Russ: oh, okay.
Kiri: mainly because if I did, I'd get in trouble
for working too hard.
Russ: good point.
Kiri: I got a big sister that interferes.
Kiri: interfering, old busybody is the term.
(Everyone starts to laugh)
Russ: okay. Anyway, how come I'm having trouble
with them? Is it my..........?
Kiri: you lack the manual dexterity.
Russ: okay. I look forward to your improvements.
Kiri: my improvements? I'm not........
Russ: it's coming out of your office.
Kiri: well okay. Okay, anymore questions?
Skip: thank you very much, I appreciate it.
Kiri: okay. Yeah, I've got to pose..........I've
got plans. See you later Russ.
Russ: bye love.
Kiri: see you later Skip, see you later Laura.
Laura: good night.
Skip: good night.
Kiri: see you later feline, Pegasus.
(Omal begins to channel
through Mark now)
Omal: greetings and felicitations.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: greetings Russ, greetings Skip, greetings
Skip: how do you do sir?
Omal: I am functioning within specified diameters.
Skip: good. You sound pretty good.
Omal: thank you. Yes, apparently I have been
forbidden from going to the surface of our base
here due to the fact that it is already dry, they
do not wish it to be drier.
(Lots of snickering all around)
Omal: okay, let us proceed to answer these
Russ: I'll give the chair up to you guys.
Skip: I got mine answered.
Omal: I think Kiri did well on elaborating.
Skip: yes sir, I agree.
Omal: we discussed it in great detail in a
conference that we had.
Russ: okay, well I'll ask mine then.
Russ: all right. In choosing to believe in time
and space, we choose the lessons that come with
it. But, can you also not choose to believe it and
still exist in the third dimension?
Russ: how so?
Omal: because your species as a whole is a we.
Omal: somebody may opt out of the we but they are
still part of it.
Russ: what are they then?
Omal: they are an outsider that loses the
knowledge of the lessons that they will learn.
They do not wish to be involved with the world.
They do not wish to be involved with understanding
the relationship with space and time.
Russ: are they still corporeal?
Omal: yes, they are still a living, breathing
entity but their intelligence is affected. But
they do not become more intelligent, they are
destined to repeat the learning experience that
they need to learn. If they're not careful and
carry on in their second life learning that
lesson, then they get trapped in a loop. They do
not learn and they do not progress.
Laura: so they end up chasing their tail?
Russ: oh, I see. Can't that lead to stagnating,
Russ: well, the human condition almost keeps you
from stagnating. Always wanting to do better.
Seems like that almost would be a contradiction.
Omal: it is a dead and. You do not go anywhere you
rotate around chasing our tail. Stagnating going
Russ: do we have any examples that we would have
known or heard about in the papers or news media?
Omal: you should have discussed that with Kiri.
(Skip and Laura break into laughter)
Skip: excuse me for giggling.
Russ: just kidding.
Skip: excuse me.
Russ: it's a dig at myself actually.
Omal: uh-huh. Let me see, anybody that you would
know. There was no one alive at present that you
would know in your famous media or person. Yes,
there is one person.
Russ: oh good.
Omal: sorry, we cannot discuss them at this time.
Russ: oh, how about historical?
Omal: historical, let me see.
Russ: I'd just like an example of what not to look
Omal: okay, the Marquis de Sade.
Russ: oh, okay, I see.
Omal: the Duke of Gloucester.
Russ: Mark would know about that.
Laura: how about Abraham Lincoln?
Omal: no, Abraham Lincoln is a very talented
person but the gentleman that terminated him.
Skip: John Wilkes Booth.
Russ: oh that's right.
Omal: yes. He, in past lives, has assassinated
Skip: like he did there.
Omal: and he still hasn't........or he is waiting
rebirth at present. I believe his name in the last
Omal: yes, thank you. Lee Harvey Oswald.
Russ: that's very good.
Omal: but remember, spirits travel in groups. When
they are reborn, they are reborn at a time that
would affect other members of their group either
to leave or to follow.
Russ: good, that leads me to my next question.
That is, I was looking through a national
geographic and was reading about Alexander the
Russ: now we know that he was born again as
Russ: but, what was it? Patton was in Alexander's
main Army I believe if I'm correct.
Russ: so he was close to Alexander.
Russ: now Alexander the Great's father was Philip
the Second of Macedonia.
Russ: and so to find that grouping, would you look
again to that grouping around Patton possibly?
Omal: yes and there is a clue here.
Omal: Patton once said or was explaining about a
battle in Europe that he was involved in in a
previous life. No, he was discussing a battle and
one of the generals said, "you would've made a
great marshal for Napoleon". And Patton laughed
and says, "but I was".
Omal: fill in the blanks.
Russ: no problem. Wait a minute. Patton was
Omal: yes, exactly.
Russ: marshal for Napoleon who was a marshal for
Alexander the Great, that would make Alexander the
Great to Napoleon to who was in charge of Patton?
Who was Patton's commanding officer?
Skip: you don't know?
Russ: uh-uh. Eisenhower?
Skip: no, a little bit bigger than Eisenhower. He
got fired by Truman.
Russ: oh, oh, oh, the......
Russ: MacArthur, right.
Omal: no, MacArthur was not the general in charge.
He was Eastern.......
Russ: so Patton's commanding officer in Europe was
Skip: no, Eisenhower was not in command at that
Russ: he wasn't?
Skip: no, he didn't. He didn't become commander
until the Korean situation after MacArthur got
Skip: that's why I keep thinking.......
Omal: Eisenhower was president of your United
States. He was elected in 1950 I believe.
Skip: but previous to that he was
commander-in-chief of all the armies after
MacArthur got fired which would make it back in
Omal: in fifty, he was already in office. There
was a general just before.......who was it who
that was in charge? It wasn't.....
Skip: Mark Clark was....
Omal: yeah, it was Mark Clark was directly below
Eisenhower in Europe.
Skip: right, he was in Europe.
Omal: he was commander-in-chief of US forces in
Korea but was relieved by MacArthur.
Skip: okay, then after MacArthur was Ridgeway.
Russ: who was the British general?
Skip: oh that was.....
Omal: Montgomery was.........
Skip: a British officer.
Omal: the same.......
Skip: the same classification as.......
Skip: in other words he was a marshal or.........
Omal: Field Marshal.
Skip: Field Marshal, yeah.
Russ: he was under Churchill.
Russ: yes he was.
Omal: Montgomery was under Eisenhower. Eisenhower
was elected to be in charge by Churchill and
Skip: oh yeah. All the Allied commanders elected
him to be in charge.
Russ: theoretically, we're looking at Patton's
commanding officer being Eisenhower.
Omal: correct. And who are all these people? We
have Eisenhower, Napoleon......
Omal: and Alexander the Great.
Laura: so they're running in packs, in other
Skip: in groups.
Laura: is this a continuation of a learning
Omal: yes. At present, none of the individuals are
around. They are all waiting for rebirth.
Laura: they're being prepared, right?
Skip: no, there's nobody out there right now
that's got the ability of what these officers had.
Omal: there is one.
Omal: there is one.
Laura: it isn't Putin.
Skip: no, he's a president, he's not a supreme
Russ: oh, Powell.
Omal: what was that name?
Russ: commander in the Gulf War.
Omal: no, that was Schwarzkopf that was.......
Russ: oh, well Powell was Schwarzkopf's boss.
Laura: what's with North?
Laura: did I hit a button? Did I push a button
Omal: yes, you did push a button. We cannot
discuss it because.....
Skip: I figured that was coming.
Laura: is he still alive?
Skip: yeah, North is still alive.
Laura: that's what I said, did......
Omal: his time is coming soon.
Skip: he carried out orders and I still believe
that to this day, he done nothing but carry out
Omal: you would have to discuss that with a member
of the Sirian defense force who is currently on
the base. She would explain in great detail
loyalty, carrying out orders.....
Omal: duty and obedience I believe is what she
Skip: he had too many people to answer to.
Skip: and I understand military because I was in
Omal: yes, we know.
Russ: all right. Well going back to
Russ: and even before that, I'm looking at a
historical references to energies, positive and
negative that were influencing the region at the
time of Alexander. The two major periods prior to
Alexander were the Egyptian and at Alexander's
time was the Babylonian. And apparently all three
Russ: but I'm not exactly sure why. I wonder if
you could clarify that?
Omal: look at where they are situated.
Russ: they are in the Mediterranean. It's like
Egypt and Babylonia formed the two towers.....
Russ: and Alexander and the Greeks formed like,
sort of like if you were to go to a Lord of the
Rings kind of thing, they were like Minas Tirith
and then you'd have like another older, darker
kind of thing over on the other side.
Omal: the seats of power, another set in one
place, they move from place to place. Where a
civilization that has potential, power and energy
will flow to. So an area that has potential, will
have power and energy. If it does not know how to
use it, it will eventually decay and the energy
will drift around and focus on a new place that
has potential. So if you look throughout history,
Omal: Atlantis, right.
Omal: no, China.
Russ: China, then England.
Omal: no. "Sailing, sailing, over the ocean blue".
Omal: no, let's be specific about this.
Russ: okay. Oh, pacific. Japan.
Omal: no, try little bit further.
Omal: wrong ocean.
Laura: you didn't say how far.
Russ: it's not India.
Omal: all right, you are in a vessel on your
Omal: you set sail, you follow the coast of China.
Omal: you go up, you hit ice. You follow the ice
line, you come down the next coast and it's all
arid and rugged terrain and the civilizations
there aren't really that cohesive or intelligent.
You go down, you come down past the Hood River
estuary. You go further down, you go past Drake's
point, you go down, you go past the bridge by the
Omal: you go further down....
Russ: Mexico? Oh, the Incas.
Omal: the Incas, the Aztecs....
Omal: the Mayans.
Laura: what happened to these people?
Russ: well mostly what we're doing now. They were
over populating, they wiped themselves out by
deforestation causing droughts around their cities
and the city would die out. And this switching
about having the power.....
Laura: but they did so much agriculture, I don't
Russ: well the thing is because the land in that
area, the soil is only that thick that you can
grow crops on. The rain forest spreads out, their
roots spread out. They don't go down, they spread
out over a thin layer of soil. Because it's all
basalt below that and won't grow into that. And so
when they cut down the rain forest to grow their
crops, the crops only got three years worth of
corn and you couldn't grow anything there anymore.
That was it.
Laura: basically what happened is the cities
burned themselves out.
Russ: right and the cities died throughout the
Skip: they had to scatter themselves everywhere
Omal: there are exceptions to the rules. The
Incas, they learned the theory of controlling
water and irrigation and terracing.
Russ: and they're still going strong.
Russ: well, not as strong.
Omal: well the fields, if they were to utilize
them, they could feed themselves. The area where
the Incas were, Peru I believe, they could make
Peru totally independent of imported food.
Laura: I don't understand, they had so much, so
much intelligence, what happened?
Omal: they were attacked by a superior force. They
had alien influences brought up on them that they
had no understanding of. They had prophecies that
they had predicted which seem to fit the invaders.
Russ: they had disease.
Omal: well that comes into factors.
Skip: they spoke their own language......
Omal: fear is the biggest destroyer.
Skip: so they wiped them out.
Omal: they had so much knowledge and now they have
Laura: now they have nothing.
Omal: it is because they became oppressed. They
were broken down, they had their morale
Russ: then their school system broke down.
Education was the first to go.
Russ: so that future generations just didn't learn
what the older generations had.
Skip: because it wasn't written down.
Omal: and because........oh, it was written down,
it was protected by the priestly classes and it's
Laura: but they don't release that.
Omal: it is hidden and protected for the
protection of the people.
Russ: the Codexes.
Omal: to release that kind of knowledge would be
harmful to the people.
Russ: they found brand-new temples and stuff and
they've got a whole bunch of new writings they
can't decipher yet.
Omal: at this time.
Russ: at this time.
Omal: okay, more questions please.
Russ: okay. Yes, after the Incas, we go to
Omal: isn't the Incas and the Aztec and the Mayans
part of America? The Toltecs?
Russ: it's the same, kind of.
Omal: well, the Aztecs I believe were in Mexico.
Omal: and you go up.....
Russ: oh, it would be Europe.
Russ: then Britain......
Skip: then America.
Omal: yes. Well actually, it goes into the Soviet
Union where the Soviet Union was and then finally,
Russ: finally to here. Now, is it still here then
or has it moved out?
Omal: it is at that point.
Russ: where we could use it or lose it kind of
Omal: yes. Not only does the power go the strength
to dominate. It is also a noble obligation but it
is a very heavy wine, very heavy. And it can
corrupt so easy.
Russ: yes, but Omal, if you look at the
civilizations that have had the power and then
lost it, it's not much left but the dregs. And to
see that happen to where we live is a scary
Omal: it is not necessarily the dregs. If you look
at the former Soviet Union, admittedly it is in
pretty bad shape but that is because when it got
corrupted, it was a very powerful country. If you
look at Great Britain, is it the dregs?
Russ: they're not doing very good.
Omal: they're not doing too badly.
Omal: do you look at China?
Russ: they're doing great.
Skip: but China's coming back. They've already hit
the bottom, they're coming back up industrial
Russ: well is there anything we could do to keep
that from happening or is it beyond our control?
Omal: look at the morals of each society that has
Omal: look at how the family is treated. Look at
the social structure of all these. Let us first
look at a very good example.
Omal: describe Rome at its heyday please.
Russ: running water, baths, government, laws,
armies, world domination practically for the known
Omal: next description of ancient Rome please?
Skip: it was a great party.
Skip: they got to the point where anything you
want morally, legally. What I understand from my
history, they got down to the point where morals
Skip: and the only thing that existed for any of
it was idolatry.
Omal: uh-huh. Describe your country at present.
Laura: they're working on it.
Russ: our moral system isn't as bad as it was.
Skip: yeah it is.
Laura: well it's getting better.
Skip: it's still bad.
Laura: no, but it's getting better. I think a lot
of it has to do with the AIDS scare too.
Skip: we're trying to support the whole world
right at the present time but they can't do it
physically or do it financially.
Omal: uh-huh. It is a very heavy wine to be a
Laura: that is the position that these countries
Skip: no, we put our self in that position
Skip: volunteering to do this.
Laura: no, what I'm saying is that they asked us
for this help.
Skip: we do it.
Laura: as long as they continue to ask us, we're
going to do it.
Omal: it is called the noble obligation.
Skip: we sure get stretched about as thin as you
Omal: uh-huh. Okay, last question please.
Russ: okay, well the only one I've got is on
restarting my class and the group......
Russ: and we'll be going through the refresher
courses but what would be the key to rebuilding
and honing their psychic edges?
Omal: it would be better to discuss this at our
next channeling session.
Russ: on Friday?
Russ: all right, thank you Omal.
Skip: thank you Omal.
Laura: good night.
Omal: live long and prosper and, I'll be back.
Omal to enterprise, one to beam up.
(Tia gives us a short look at the future)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: okay, I'm going to put the last person on.
Tia: and then I might come back and answer final
(Karra is the last of the
speakers before Tia returns to end things)
Karra: best for last.
Russ: hi darling.
Karra: hey beanpole. Greetings Laura?
Karra: greetings Skip.
Skip: good evening.
Karra: good evening. I am the healer.
Russ: oh, that's Karra.
Laura: oh, okay. I'm supposed to ask her
Karra: that was my sister you were meant to ask.
Skip: it's about a crystal.
Karra: oh, no. I thought you were going to ask a
political question that was basically set up.
Laura: they explained it, the rose crystal.
Skip: you're the healer.
Karra: yes I am. I am the one that told you to
wash your hands after healing, to clap your hands
when you cannot and rub them. Is there anything
that you wish to further understand? Yes, many
Skip: yeah, you got it. Is there anyway I can
increase this healing?
Karra: ummm, at the moment it is best to learn to
control what you have so it does not feed back on
itself. Coming to understand it is the most
important thing. Feeling its usage and how to use
it wisely so you do not spread yourself thin as I
have unfortunately learned. Spreading oneself very
thinly can be a curse and can also become
Russ: okay. Well, my biggest question is working
on that pyramid today and our building of it and
the design. First off, I want to check on, we're
going to be putting copper wire around the iron
plate or over an iron plate.....
Russ: and throughout the iron parts and charging
them up. How's the healing factors of the pyramid
going to be impacted?
Karra: it's going to focus it.
Karra: it is going to also amplify it to a lower
level in the pyramid. I do not mean a lower level
of energy, I mean a lower point in the pyramid so
that you can lie down within the energy field.
Russ: oh. And then you will turn it on on and off
Russ: now than, in using time and space and are
they bypassed in healing? In other words, when you
Karra: they do not interfere in healing.
Russ: okay. So when you are healing psychically,
are you repairing the subtle bodies and then that
carries over into the physical?
Karra: no, you are working on the physical.
Russ: well, how is the subtle bodies affected
Karra: because when you work on the physical, the
subtle bodies, the astral body, and all the other
bodies are affected also. An astral body reflects
the condition of the individual.
Russ: oh, I see.
Karra: yeah, sorry.
Russ: so it's like a mirror?
Karra: uh-huh. If you have a nice, bright, bouncy,
cheerful aura, you have a nice, bright, bouncy
individual. Normally a bright, bouncy aura is a
sign of being of well health.
Karra: a splotchy aura reflects the individual's
condition. A white aura, or a gray aura reflects
Russ: now yesterday, you were observing with me a
gentleman named Keith.
Russ: and, at the time, his aura was very
Russ: should I go ahead and making the options to
him towards helping him in that field or leave it
Karra: you can make subtle hints.
Karra: Kiri would be a better one to discuss that
Russ: oh, I'll arrange that with her.
Russ: oh, what about Mark's leg?
Karra: again, I've got to say that he has got to
come to us to ask or help on that.
Karra: we can do all the work that we wish on it
but if he doesn't know how to handle it, then to
treat his leg whilst it's healing, might as well
Russ: true. Okay, Carrie's arrival's next Tuesday.
Karra: okay, we need to set up a healing recording
to be used prior to a channeling session, for her
to lie within the pyramid, to use your LS machine.
(Light and sound machine)
Russ: okay, we'll set it up for Friday. Okay, set
it for a 30 minute session?
Russ: and you'll just do a dissertation then?
Karra: uh-huh. And we will have music that we will
decide upon nearer to the time. Probably Enya
would be best. We have the tape? Okay.
Russ: okay. My last one is Mike Oldfield's
Russ: or would you say that's an example of being
Russ: okay, well how would that be for......
Russ: too vibrant?
Karra: yes. Okay, any questions from the gallery?
Skip: you answered mine.
Skip: thank you very much.
Karra: okay, you're welcome. I have to go and
attend to a very smelly diaper.
(Tia comes on to
wrap up teh channeling session)
Russ: hi Tia.
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
(Laura starts to chuckle)
Laura: I think this is the perkiest I've ever seen
Tia: what about that time of your Buffalo.
(Laura's spirit animal)
Laura: that was.....yeah.
Tia: uh-huh. Don't say it.
Laura: I was surprised that it was even......let
Tia: uh-huh. I smelled it more than I felt it. It
was kind of starting to sense it. First of all, I
could smell very Buffalo smell.
Laura: very musky, huh? It's very musky, I smell
it a lot.
Tia: uh-huh. I have a very sensitive smell.
Laura: you're the only one I know that has a sense
to it and that was just my psychic ability I
Russ: we have a little bit of tape to play with
here darling, so the question I've got my dear and
we'll see what you can do with it........
Russ: and that is, we were discussing earlier with
Omal, the Mayans, the Incas, and the Aztecs.
Tia: ahh-hah, yeah, sorry.
Russ: well, as I remember, and is stolen strictly
from past life primarily, is that they were very
heavy into astral projection.
Tia: not my planet buddy.
Russ: I didn't think you'd be able to help me with
(Laura and Skip are laughing)
Skip: I love that answer.
Tia: that's an interesting cough you've got there,
mind if I join you?
(Tia speaks to the cat on the futon)
Tia: yes? Sorry, did I spook you?
Russ: in astral projection, they need something
like landmarks to follow, correct?
Tia: yes and no.
Russ: as in beginning astral.....
Tia: oh, as a beginning? Yes.
Russ: okay. Now, a number of interesting creatures
that we find throughout the South American area
the Mayans were part of, Guatemala and southern
Mexico area, are what are called stella. And these
stella are like very tall pillars.......
Russ: with intricate carving and everything, but
archaeologists can find no real reason why they
were put there except as maybe a boundary type of
Tia: yeah, right.
Russ: it would seem to me though that could be a
perfect kind of way for anyone who's astral
projecting to use as a landmark. And coming
Tia: later on, probably later on they were used as
landmarks but originally it sounds that they were
more like barriers, but I'm only giving you an
Russ: but barriers against what?
Tia: of tribes. What you think?
Russ: so another tribe will come up upon a stella
and no it's another civilizations territory.
Tia: exactly. It's like you have signposts saying
if I've got the translation right, here is South
Russ: well yes.
Tia: uh-huh. So it's kind of a sign. A sign here,
a sign there, again not my planet. Hey, I'm a
foreigner. Even where I am at the moment it isn't
Russ: well that's true. What do they use on
Durondedunn for landmarks to find?
Tia: we use shapes of hills. We artificially shape
Russ: oh, really?
Russ: the Chinese used to do that too but they did
it because of the energy of land would felt this.
Tia: well you'd have a town in a valley here,
right? With a river and nice fields all the way
around it and bridges and nice streets and nice
buildings with nice, pointed spires and then you'd
have a hill over here, right? And there would be a
big ditch cut around it that you can see from
quite some way away and then there would be a
central point where at nighttime you could light a
signal fire if necessary.
Tia: and you could see the tower from, ohhh, I
should say about 30 miles?
Russ: question for you, and you might find this in
Mark's mind you might not, what are those things
again in South America? The animals and the
Skip: you're talking about the ground.....
Russ: yeah, the ground markings.
Skip: the ground markings, the big.....
Laura: yeah, the big........
Russ: there's these huge markings in South
Russ: and they're like hundreds and hundreds of
feet long and if you're on the ground you can't
tell. You've got to be up in the air to see them
and so they thought maybe they had communications
with aliens was the only reason they were drawn.
Skip: yeah, the tall drawings.
Russ: well wouldn't it be more likely that this
was an astral projection kind of thing?
Tia: Nazca lines.
Russ: Nazca lines, absolutely. It would seem like,
if you're coming in, you'd be able to see
Tia: quite possible, quite possible that it would
be saying , "here is the order of the
Tia: or here is the order of the spider.
THE TAPE ENDS
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